CV-18 Fujian - Type 003 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[Wergeland]

Cant wait to see it being launched.
When combat ready this Beast will be on par with latest US carriers. Especially when its ultra modern air wing is taken into account. To not talk about those type055 escorts packed with state of the art AshBM and even hypersonic missiles.

I hope China one day can agree to host a Naval Base in Chittagong, Bangladesh. Would be amazing to have visits from Carriers, protecting Bay of Bengal.

 

[Polestar 2]

Yes, hopefully next week will be launched.

 

[Luosifen]

Cant wait to see it being launched.
When combat ready this Beast will be on par with latest US carriers. Especially when its ultra modern air wing is taken into account. To not talk about those type055 escorts packed with state of the art AshBM and even hypersonic missiles.

I hope China one day can agree to host a Naval Base in Chittagong, Bangladesh. Would be amazing to have visits from Carriers, protecting Bay of Bengal.

I'd say it'll take type 004 to match US carriers, 003 is only 3 catapults and 2 elevators and non-nuclear. It should be technically superior to all the non-US carriers currently in operation, but it will still be years before the ship and its air wings will be operationally ready.

As for hosting a naval base in Bangladesh, I feel staying neutral and not hosting bases of any other nation would serve its national interest best. You can still invite other navies to come for friendly visits without picking sides.

 

[Polestar 2]

I'd say it'll take type 004 to match US carriers, 003 is only 3 catapults and 2 elevators and non-nuclear. It should be technically superior to all the non-US carriers currently in operation, but it will still be years before the ship and its air wings will be operationally ready.

As for hosting a naval base in Bangladesh, I feel staying neutral and not hosting bases of any other nation would serve its national interest best. You can still invite other navies to come for friendly visits without picking sides.

You shall be aware USS Gerald Ford aircraft carrier has a very problematic electric catapult which they couldn't even solve the issue until today.

Type003 might be the real world first electric catapult aircraft carrier put into operation. The number of elevator just proves Chinese is confident of their electric system.

Don't just by looking an aircraft carrier is nuclear or not and deem which one is better or not. If that is the case, French Charles de Gaulle shall be the best aircraft carrier despite only capable of 25knots and a size even smaller than CV-16 Liaoning?

 

[kungfugymnast]

I'd say it'll take type 004 to match US carriers, 003 is only 3 catapults and 2 elevators and non-nuclear. It should be technically superior to all the non-US carriers currently in operation, but it will still be years before the ship and its air wings will be operationally ready.

As for hosting a naval base in Bangladesh, I feel staying neutral and not hosting bases of any other nation would serve its national interest best. You can still invite other navies to come for friendly visits without picking sides.

Type 004 and 005 will most likely be sister ship to Type 003 so they won't be nuclear powered. China needed more carriers in short time so by the time nuclear powered aircraft carrier completed R & D entering service, it would be Type 006, 007 or 008 already.

You shall be aware USS Gerald Ford aircraft carrier has a very problematic electric catapult which they couldn't even solve the issue until today.

Type003 might be the real world first electric catapult aircraft carrier put into operation. The number of elevator just proves Chinese is confident of their electric system.

Don't just by looking an aircraft carrier is nuclear or not and deem which one is better or not. If that is the case, French Charles de Gaulle shall be the best aircraft carrier despite only capable of 25knots and a size even smaller than CV-16 Liaoning?

Charles De Gaulle is not better than phased out old US aircraft carrier. It's just being built out of necessity as replacement for Clemenceau aircraft carrier to protect French colony in the south. For operating CTOL aircraft, the Charles De Gaulle is better than Liaoning mainly because it has CATOBAR. Liaoning and Shandong class aircraft carriers are only good for STOVL/VSTOL/VTOL, helicopters and drones.

 

[Luosifen]

You shall be aware USS Gerald Ford aircraft carrier has a very problematic electric catapult which they couldn't even solve the issue until today.

Type003 might be the real world first electric catapult aircraft carrier put into operation. The number of elevator just proves Chinese is confident of their electric system.

Don't just by looking an aircraft carrier is nuclear or not and deem which one is better or not. If that is the case, French Charles de Gaulle shall be the best aircraft carrier despite only capable of 25knots and a size even smaller than CV-16 Liaoning?

Yes I'm aware of the many problems Gerald Ford has, even so I'll stay on the conservative side and say that 003 is still less capable of power projection compared to the USN carriers, otherwise they wouldn't have to bother with type 004 and just crank 003s like dumplings. Nuclear/non-nuclear is only one factor among others, CDG is limited by only 2 catapults and a smaller hangar size so I ranked 003 above it in capabilities.

I have not heard any sources putting 004 as being non-nuclear, if you have anything definitive I'd like to have a look.

 

[Polestar 2]

Type 004 and 005 will most likely be sister ship to Type 003 so they won't be nuclear powered. China needed more carriers in short time so by the time nuclear powered aircraft carrier completed R & D entering service, it would be Type 006, 007 or 008 already.


Charles De Gaulle is not better than phased out old US aircraft carrier. It's just being built out of necessity as replacement for Clemenceau aircraft carrier to protect French colony in the south. For operating CTOL aircraft, the Charles De Gaulle is better than Liaoning mainly because it has CATOBAR. Liaoning and Shandong class aircraft carriers are only good for STOVL/VSTOL/VTOL, helicopters and drones.

I don't think Charles de Gaulle is better than CV-16 Liaoning just becos it's nuclear or catapult. You shall be aware it's a much smaller aircraft carrier with limited hangar capacity. An aircraft carrier size matter and is also an indication of it's capabilities due to abilities to hold more aircraft which gives them more asset.

Charles de Gaulle 25 knots max speed is also a factor weakness( compare to Liaoning 30 knots) which will hinder some ops and fast reaction deployment.

 

[sheik]

Type 004 and 005 will most likely be sister ship to Type 003 so they won't be nuclear powered. China needed more carriers in short time so by the time nuclear powered aircraft carrier completed R & D entering service, it would be Type 006, 007 or 008 already.


Charles De Gaulle is not better than phased out old US aircraft carrier. It's just being built out of necessity as replacement for Clemenceau aircraft carrier to protect French colony in the south. For operating CTOL aircraft, the Charles De Gaulle is better than Liaoning mainly because it has CATOBAR. Liaoning and Shandong class aircraft carriers are only good for STOVL/VSTOL/VTOL, helicopters and drones.

When you talked about Type 00x, you mean Number x right? I don't think China will build only one for each Type of the carriers.

 

[GiantPanda]

When you talked about Type 00x, you mean Number x right? I don't think China will build only one for each Type of the carriers.

That guy had been talking nonsense for years. He's either an Indian false-flagger or maybe Taiwanese. His opinions on Chinese military stuff are bizarre, outrageous and retarded -- maybe done so deliberately to create a sense of fanboi-ism to de-rail threads.

 

[kungfugymnast]

When you talked about Type 00x, you mean Number x right? I don't think China will build only one for each Type of the carriers.

I clearly mentioned Type 004 and 005 will most likely be sister ships to Type 003 which means Type 004 and 005 will be Type 003 with different numbers to distinguish. Like US aircraft carriers, CVN-68 USS Nimitz, CVN-69 USS Eisenhower, CVN-70 USS Carl Vinson are all the same ships but different names & designated number, they are called sisters ships.

That guy had been talking nonsense for years. He's either an Indian false-flagger or maybe Taiwanese. His opinions on Chinese military stuff are bizarre, outrageous and retarded -- maybe done so deliberately to create a sense of fanboi-ism to de-rail threads.

You don't understand the word "Sister ships"? Go find out before you condemn

 

[kungfugymnast]

I don't think Charles de Gaulle is better than CV-16 Liaoning just becos it's nuclear or catapult. You shall be aware it's a much smaller aircraft carrier with limited hangar capacity. An aircraft carrier size matter and is also an indication of it's capabilities due to abilities to hold more aircraft which gives them more asset.

Charles de Gaulle 25 knots max speed is also a factor weakness( compare to Liaoning 30 knots) which will hinder some ops and fast reaction deployment.

Charles De Gaulle is slow and small but it could propel a fully loaded aircraft to take off safely thanks to CATOBAR. French made the carrier mainly to protect its colony abroad to the south not far away and French did not expect to fight powerful enemy especially there's US and NATO alliance therefore they made the aircraft carrier for economy and low maintenance. Besides, the Rafale M is relatively small compared to F/A-18C at 57ft long with 37ft wingspan able to fit 40x Rafales at max on the carrier. The Rafale M could easily take off via CATOBAR and land thanks to low speed stability and maneuverability from its less aerodynamic design suited for carrier landing. By the way, it is nuclear powered and ships don't really go full 30 knots unless really needed which is rare like aircraft mostly never get to fly at its max speed, just smooth sailing. The Rafale is not a fast interceptor neither with slower cruise speed than most 4th generation fighters.

In comparison, Type 001 and 002 are only suitable for STOVL/VSTOL/VTOL aircraft. They are just not efficient for CTOL aircraft without CATOBAR or EMALS which is why they'll be reassigned after Type003 entering active service. Type 002 Shandong Class already being converted to drone carrier while having space for future STOVL fighters. Type 001 Liaoning will serve its role until Type 003 is fully operational with all its fighter wings onboard (J-15B/D, J-35, KJ-600 along with transport & ASW helicopters Z-8/20 .

 

[sheik]

I clearly mentioned Type 004 and 005 will most likely be sister ships to Type 003 which means Type 004 and 005 will be Type 003 with different numbers to distinguish. Like US aircraft carriers, CVN-68 USS Nimitz, CVN-69 USS Eisenhower, CVN-70 USS Carl Vinson are all the same ships but different names & designated number, they are called sisters ships.


You don't understand the word "Sister ships"? Go find out before you condemn

Apparently you don't have the concept of Class and Type when you talk about ships.

 

[samsara]

That guy had been talking nonsense for years. He's either an Indian false-flagger or maybe Taiwanese. His opinions on Chinese military stuff are bizarre, outrageous and retarded -- maybe done so deliberately to create a sense of fanboi-ism to de-rail threads.

So true, I guess that moniker just wanna derail the Chinese military threads with all the bizarre, outrageous and retarded posts over years... there is no effective Mod function here to correct such member behavior to not derail the thread with repeated junks! (Sorry, just cf. SDF) Such overseeing function is important to prevent some particular member(s) to spoil the forum! I hope PDF will rectify this weakness soon.

Imagine some new visitors to this Main Chinese Military thread on the 3rd Aircraft Carrier just to find it's flooded with junks... what do they think of PDF???

 

[Deino]

According to some reports, this image is the most recent one showing the Type 003 carrier at Jiangnan Changxing shipyard in Shanghai.
Interesting, the scaffolding around the island is gone.

(Image via @蓑蓑雨任平生sjs from Weibo)

 

[lcloo]

According to some reports, this image is the most recent one showing the Type 003 carrier at Jiangnan Changxing shipyard in Shanghai.
Interesting, the scaffolding around the island is gone.

(Image via @蓑蓑雨任平生sjs from Weibo)

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Interesting, walkway connecting dockside to the bow of 003 has been removed. Also the water barrier that separete the dry dock into two has been removed as well. Launch in the middle of June?