Current Tensions in Xinjiang-China

[Su 30mki]

i cant be bothered.......you have had all the links and proof and now your acting childish.

We cant change person who think he gets virgins if he blown up itself.....

 

[notsuperstitious]

Damn even fox news says theres "65,000 people, mostly civilians, have been killed in the conflict".......

Indian army is there since 1947, how many of those 65000 over the 42 year period of 47 to 89? For those 65000 - Pakistani terrorists are responsible for most of them. See the ease with which Musharraf was able to turn off the terrorist tap when he decided to do so under US pressure but how much Pakistani army struggling to stop taliban for years?

And all those unnamed graves, please come over and claim your bodies, we don't know their names. But that doesn't happen, the 9 latest freedom fighters in mumbai morgue are still waiting.

 

[Su 30mki]

Indian army is there since 1947, how many of those 65000 over the 42 year period of 47 to 89? For those 65000 - Pakistani terrorists are responsible for most of them. See the ease with which Musharraf was able to turn off the terrorist tap when he decided to do so under US pressure but how much Pakistani army struggling to stop taliban for years?

And all those unnamed graves, please come over and claim your bodies, we don't know their names. But that doesn't happen, the 9 latest freedom fighters in mumbai morgue are still waiting.

hey One is in Indian Jail Alive..

 

[notsuperstitious]

Well kaskrin, you have brought Kashmir to this debate, and you as a moderator shouldn't have posted something off topic here. Please note that the issues in India is not institutional, and any issues you stated is well documented and are for open scrutiny, unlike china. We have a majority who condemns any such atrocities, we have been doing so right from the beginning , and you can have evidence of that in this forum itself.

Back to topic, well said afriend. Hypocricy would be if Indian posters did not acknowledge, condemn and reject such acts of violence in India themselves. We do, and equally consistently would condemn the CPC deciding who heads a religious body (like dalai lama, panchen lama etc) or CPC deciding at what age muslims can attend mosques or how long the sermon should last or to be head of state of Pakistan one should be muslim etc etc. Thats honest and self critical and 1000 times better than 'we must support china our weapon supplier and protector of JUD in UNSC no matter what happens'!

 

[IceCold]

Back to topic, well said afriend. Hypocricy would be if Indian posters did not acknowledge, condemn and reject such acts of violence in India themselves. We do, and equally consistently would condemn the CPC deciding who heads a religious body (like dalai lama, panchen lama etc) or CPC deciding at what age muslims can attend mosques or how long the sermon should last or to be head of state of Pakistan one should be muslim etc etc. Thats honest and self critical and 1000 times better than 'we must support china our weapon supplier and protector of JUD in UNSC no matter what happens'!

Thats Bull $hit and you know it. Where did JUD come in from, Pakistan itself banned the organization so no point there and as for the weapons supplier we can say the same between India and US these days. Hypocrisy at best. I still remember some of the Indian members here justifying what happened in Iraq jails under the US command. You wana indulge in a mudslinging context " How about it" but remember your hands ant clean either.

 

[Munir]

I hope free and fair elections in Kashmir will lead to peace beween Pakistan and India. I disagree with the violence in China but am not going to blaim cause I have no clue wha happened. I am not buying western propagande. China is one state (Taiwan included). I hope the people can have peace and equal rights. It is the Chinese government that is responsible so I do no going to join Indian flaming here. Let them first see what happens in their nations. And frankly, Pakistan is in the middle of its own war so telling other nations what to do is not their style...

 

[ATS]

China Bans Mosque Meetings in Strife-Torn Region ​

URUMQI, China — Chinese authorities banned prayer gatherings at mosques here on Friday, the principal day of prayer for Muslims, as security officials tried to prevent further ethnic violence in the Xinjiang region.

But local officials appeared to partly relax the ban on Friday afternoon, allowing shortened prayer services after hundreds of Uighur worshipers gathered outside at least two of Urumqi’s main mosques and pressed to be allowed inside, news agencies reported.

The security clampdown that followed Sunday’s deadly riots remained tight. A small group of about 40 Uighur men and women began a protestmarch after prayers ended Friday, but they were quickly blocked by police forces, The Associated Press reported. Officials later announced a curfew would be reimposed on the city Friday evening. The city’s main bus station was filled with people trying to flee the unrest, news services said.

Meanwhile, in another large Xinjiang city, the ancient Silk Road oasis town of Kashgar, foreign journalists and other visitors were instructed to leave.

Strictly enforced security was clearly high on the government’s agenda, and The People’s Daily, the Communist Party’s official newspaper, saidin an editorial Friday that “to maintain social stability, we ne ed to isolate and crack down hard on a handful of people.” The paper said those who “masterminded, organized and committed serious violence during the riot” should be targets.

At least 156 people were killed in three days of rioting and unrest that began Sunday in Urumqi, the region’s capital. More than 1,000 were reported injured.

The People’s Daily editorial echoed the remarks of President Hu Jintao, who cut short a visit to the Group of 8 summit meeting in Italy. In a statement issued along with the Communist Party’s senior leaders, Mr. Hu called on the authorities to “isolate and deal a blow to the small group” who had a hand in the bloodshed.

“Preserving and maintaining the overall stability of Xinjiang is currently the most urgent task,” said Mr. Hu, according to a statement published by the official Chinese news agency.

The party chief of Urumqi, Li Zhi, offered even tougher words: “To those who have committed crimes with cruel means, we will execute them.”

The turmoil began at a southern Chinese shoe factory last month after Chinese workers, spurred by false accusations of rape, attacked Uighur co-workers, killing at least two. The government’s failure to aggressively prosecute those involved in the brawl became a rallying cry for Uighur students in Urumqi, who organizedthe protest last Sunday that turned violent.

Uighurs, who are Turkic-speaking Muslims, form a minority in Urumqi, a city of 2.3 million that has been heavily settled by ethnic Han Chinese from other parts of China. The influx of so many outsiders and what many describe as Beijing’s heavy-handed rule have helped foment resentment among Uighurs.

Urumqi appeared to be settling into an uneasy calm, and the ban on Friday Prayers apparently was aimed at preventing large gatherings of Uighurs at the city’s mosques.

It was not clear if similar prayer bans were in force elsewhere in Xinjiang on Friday.

As many as 20,000 troops from nearby regions had poured into Urumqi after the rioting began, forming cordons between ethnic Uighur neighborhoods and those dominated by Han Chinese, who had earlier gone on a revenge spree against Uighur residents.

Both Uighur and Han claim to be the predominant victims of the violence, but the government has declined to release a breakdown of the dead.

A nighttime curfew was in place in Urumqi, but shops began to reopen for the first time Thursday as thousands of anxious residents clogged the city’s bus and train stations seeking to escape the city. As helicopters hovered overhead, military vans roamed the streets with loudspeakers blaring slogans like “Maintain stability” and “Protect the people.”

Since the turmoil began on Sunday, China has accused Rebiya Kadeer, an exiled Uighur leader, of fomenting the strife. Ms. Kadeer, who lives in Washington, has denied the charge.

But on Wednesday the government for the first time shifted some of the blame to the United States, which it accused of financing Ms. Kadeer’s organization, the World Uighur Congress, and other groups that advocate human rights and democracy for ethnic Uighurs in China. The accusation appeared in an article in the People’s Daily.

In recent days Turkey, which has cultural and linguistic ties to China’s Uighurs, has stepped into the fray. On Thursday the minister for trade and industry called for a boycott of Chinese goods to protest the crackdown in Xinjiang. “If the country where we consume the goods does not respect human values, we should reconsider our values,” said the minister, Nihat Ergun, according to the Anatolia news agency.

Edward Wong reported from Urumqi, Andrew Jacobs reported from Beijing. Mark McDonald contributed reporting from Hong Kong.

 

[ATS]

great to see how this thread is hijacked to bash India....
you clearly see how human right violations are happening in china yet no member condemns.....
there's free press in india everything gets reported and victims get justice...
who knows how muslims are killed by Chinese??
shame on pakistani member's, you've always used Islam for your benefit...
If a woman commits suicide in J&K you refer quran, but if hundreds die in china you keep mum....

SHAME ON YOU​

 

[salman nedian]

Unfortunately we have some Muslims who are working for western interests like Taliban operating in Pakistan. Similarly if there is any wrong thing happening with the Muslims in China(with those who are innocent) than surely we expect Chinese government to take action against those ho committed crimes against Muslims. We have faith on Chinese judicial system unlike India. so we expect them to provide justice to people which is not the case with India.

We are Pakistani Muslims who have their relatives living in India. There were Pakistani nationals and their Indian relatives who were burned alive by Hindu fanatics. Did India provide Justice?

 

[salman nedian]

great to see how this thread is hijacked to bash India....
you clearly see how human right violations are happening in china yet no member condemns.....
there's free press in india everything gets reported and victims get justice...
who knows how muslims are killed by Chinese??
shame on pakistani member's, you've always used Islam for your benefit...
If a woman commits suicide in J&K you refer quran, but if hundreds die in china you keep mum....

SHAME ON YOU​

Shame on those people who don’t even leave their guests and burn them alive.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Thats Bull $hit and you know it. Where did JUD come in from, Pakistan itself banned the organization so no point there and as for the weapons supplier we can say the same between India and US these days. Hypocrisy at best. I still remember some of the Indian members here justifying what happened in Iraq jails under the US command. You wana indulge in a mudslinging context " How about it" but remember your hands ant clean either.

Islamabad: The UN Security Council's decision to ban the Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) as a global terrorist organisation had become possible only because China, which had blocked three similar attempts, finally gave its nod for the UN resolution, a media report yesterday said.

Gulfnews: China finally backs ban on Jamaat-ud-Dawa

I expect atleast Pakistanis to know this. BTW I admit India's hands are not clean, I'm just fed up though with people using religious glasses when convenient and practical when even higher powers like China are involved.

Yes I'm trying to make a point here, the old one with religion, terrorism, selective good terorists and bad ones etc etc etc... did you read the latest report about how LET is still thriving, I've decided to complain BEFORE the next Mumbai.

 

[ATS]

Unfortunately we have some Muslims who are working for western interests like Taliban operating in Pakistan. Similarly if there is any wrong thing happening with the Muslims in China(with those who are innocent) than surely we expect Chinese government to take action against those ho committed crimes against Muslims. We have faith on Chinese judicial system unlike India. so we expect them to provide justice to people which is not the case with India.

We are Pakistani Muslims who have their relatives living in India. There were Pakistani nationals and their Indian relatives who were burned alive by Hindu fanatics. Did India provide Justice?

oh come on salman stop making fool of your self...

We have faith on Chinese judicial system unlike India. so we expect them to provide justice to people which is not the case with India.

what chinese judicial system are you talking about?
press is restricted, who is gonna report against the brutal killings of muslims by chinese??
you get every news from J&K; reports of killings and every other incident that happens in J&K...
what makes you think India can't restrict media in J&K?

We are Pakistani Muslims who have their relatives living in India. There were Pakistani nationals and their Indian relatives who were burned alive by Hindu fanatics. Did India provide Justice?

Hypocrisy at its best
you compare one dead person to 150+killed and 1,000 injured?
please have some conscious, you've been contradicting your religion, stop behaving like a kafir.

 

[Gabbar]

@Distored
Watch your moth Distorted ***hole. If you have something to say, say it in a logical sense. Dont degrade this thread with your low mentality posts.

 

[gpit]

China’s drive to develop Xinjiang’s resources has spurred an influx of migrants and bred resentment among Uighurs, who complain of discrimination and political and cultural repression. Han Chinese now account for half the province’s 21 million population, from 7 percent in the 1953 census.

“At school, we were never allowed to wear the traditional Uighur hat as the Chinese saw it as a threat to them if we showed our national identity,” said Haiyur, the Uighur exile. Uighurs were prevented from celebrating a traditional festival, banned from gathering in public and forced to learn Chinese, he said.

“Almost all the factories in Xinjiang are Chinese-owned,” Haiyur said. “Often you would find a big poster outside the factories saying ‘We don’t need ethnic minorities for this position.’”

Riots Expose China?s Ethnic Divisions, Uneven Growth (Update2) - Bloomberg.com

Here goes your questions

Why should Chinese citizens be forbidden from moving freely within the territory of China? Aren’t you Indians crying foul for Hukou system, which allegedly restrict people’s movement? If it is not a bipolar disorder, what is that?

Apartheid will never work. Instead ethnical integration with preservation of ethnical features is the solution.

The Chinese, Han or non-Han, are driven by market demand. They go wherever there is profit. In 1950s, thanks to Western embargo, China was extremely lack in recourses. Then a big oil field was discovered in Xinjiang. I bet you not many Uighurs knew at that time what “petroleum” is, what value it has. If Han did not develop it, together with their Uighur brothers, everybody would be in a disadvantageous position.

That’s simply the force of market.

BTW, you shouldn’t expect a similar “Operation All Clear” that ran in your NE area for ethnic cleansing to happen in Xinjiang to clean up Han. Even Uighurs in general know that without Han, Xinjiang’s economy would never be better off.

Education wise, in many autonomous regions in China, many primary and high schools are taught in local language. If the students like, they can voluntarily opt for ”民转汉”, I believe it means “minority to Han”, after primary school to start learning Mandarin for better opportunities that the bigger society can offer. Otherwise, they can opt to stay with the school with their own language and ethnic people. It is just like so many Hans and other ethnics learning English at home and abroad for a possible better future the whole world can offer.

No question that there are problems between different ethnics. There are even hosts of problems, for instance income disparity, social injustice, within only Han, how would you expect no problems between different ethnics? Isn’t that a ridiculous expectation?

Problems like brain drain and cultural influence, etc., in addition to historical and geological issues, cause minority areas relatively backward. For instance, many minority people get succeeded in-land, don’t want to go back to their poor hometown, causing those places even worse in disparity with other more developed areas.

There are a lot preferential policies for ethnic minority stipulated by Chinese government in an attempt to promote minorities. I feel some of the positive discrimination may actually yield negative results.

For you, the bottom line is: pathetic is the synonym of being brainwashed by a few sentences of one-sided story.

BTW, hope India can set a good example to reduce its domestic violence so you can have a bigger mouth calling China to learn some from you.

 

[salman nedian]

Hypocrisy at its best
you compare one dead person to 150+killed and 1,000 injured?
please have some conscious, you've been contradicting your religion, stop behaving like a kafir.

India was involved in three wars with the Biggest Islamic nation of the world and had their involvement in the disintegration of Pakistan. Tell me if China has past record like this? There is a difference between China and India. China has never been hostile towards Muslims like India.

You also are seeing that 150 killed but you cant see that China has helped 175 million Muslims.