Current Tensions in Xinjiang-China

[muse]

DS

the olympic games terrorist threats, a lot of Uighur's in Xinjiang, especially those in high posts in the police, adminstration, etc. lost their jobs. In the past year, the adminstration has taken a very obvious Han Chinese colour, which has invariably fueled tensions

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I'm not so sure I understand, are you saying that the removal of inefficient civil servants is cause for riots?

Clearly tension is being created and fuel by some "interests" - should they be allowed to create civil unrest?

the issue is not about seperatism in Xinjiang, but the treatment of the Uighur community of Xinjiang.

They should have equal rights and opportunities as Chinese Han. A Uighur cannot go to South East China, and register as a citizen, yet the demographics of Xinjiang have been altered by incentivised migration.

Considering all the natural resources that the Center extracts from Xinjian, the Uighurs of xinjiang at least desrve a proper education and access to jobs. People are only interested in bettering their lives and those of their children, the Uighurs are no different.

Comparing their human aspirations with the intentions of terrorists, and using the Han Chinese communities there as a hammer to beat them when they ask for equal rights as chinese citizens is a big mistake by the authorities, and may exacerbate the problem to the extent that seperatist feeling could take root.

So your take on the riots is that they are justifed and should be seen as a equal rights struggle?? You give no credence to the authorities claim that an outside force is effecting events in Urumuchi? If not, why not?

BTW - Has Rekya Kadeer's group a proscribed group in China? Do you think Ms. Kadeer should be granted legitimacy? How is it that Ms. Kadeer "represents" Uighur all the way from Washington DC?

 

[DarkStar]

DS

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I'm not so sure I understand, are you saying that the removal of inefficient civil servants is cause for riots?

Clearly tension is being created and fuel by some "interests" - should they be allowed to create civil unrest?

The removal of a lot of Uighurs from high posts in the province may not be a cause for the riots, but it certainly could not have helped.

Who do you take these 'interests' to be? Al Qaida, the Taliban, the Uighur community in America?

It seems a recurrent and easy ploy by many governments around the world to suppress any muslim aspirations, complaints, protests by labelling them as terrorist-inspired, and crushing them mercilessly.

So your take on the riots is that they are justifed and should be seen as a equal rights struggle?? You give no credence to the authorities claim that an outside force is effecting events in Urumuchi? If not, why not?

BTW - Has Rekya Kadeer's group a proscribed group in China? Do you think Ms. Kadeer should be granted legitimacy? How is it that Ms. Kadeer "represents" Uighur all the way from Washington DC?

I certainly do not justify these riots, but I do want to make the effort to understand the underlying reasons why people may have felt the need to riot, or even be led astray by 'outside forces' as you have put them. Without such an understanding, what the underlying problems are, solutions to such problems cannot be found.

The major 'evidence' that the Chinese have unearthed is a spike in communications between Xinjiang and the outside world after the initial riots...lots of emails and phone calls.

This is ludicrous, since it is a given that people would enquire for their loved ones if they think a riot or some other civil disturbance is going on.

As for Ms.Kadeer, I have no opinion about her, or her activities.

 

[muse]

I do want to make the effort to understand the underlying reasons why people may have felt the need to riot, or even be led astray by 'outside forces' as you have put them. Without such an understanding, what the underlying problems are, solutions to such problems cannot be found

It seems a recurrent and easy ploy by many governments around the world to suppress any muslim aspirations, complaints, protests by labelling them as terrorist-inspired, and crushing them mercilessly

DS

I admire the fact that you seek to understand the underlying reasons, however; it's certainly curious and disturbing that you inform your effort to understand events, by the suggestion that what you call "muslim aspiration" (are these different from the aspirations of other human beings?) are being crushed "mercilessly" as you put it -- the disturbing part of this is that you seemed to not distinguish betwen governments nor so called "muslim aspirations" - I hope you can see that failure to distinguish leaves your position in a rather vulnerable state, are the "aspirations" of islamist insurgents in Pakistan the same as those of the Uighur? Is the Pakistan government "mercilessly" crushing "muslim aspirations"?


I think we all want to understand the underlying set of causes and players, however; if we preconcieve, prejudge, the response of the security authorities we will have failed in our effort, don't you think?

 

[aimarraul]

It is on the basis of thei Historical claim, that Pakistan ceded to China a part of Kashmiri territory that China had claimed.

However, the issue is not about seperatism in Xinjiang, but the treatment of the Uighur community of Xinjiang.

They should have equal rights and opportunities as Chinese Han. A Uighur cannot go to South East China, and register as a citizen, yet the demographics of Xinjiang have been altered by incentivised migration.

Considering all the natural resources that the Center extracts from Xinjian, the Uighurs of xinjiang at least desrve a proper education and access to jobs. People are only interested in bettering their lives and those of their children, the Uighurs are no different.

Comparing their human aspirations with the intentions of terrorists, and using the Han Chinese communities there as a hammer to beat them when they ask for equal rights as chinese citizens is a big mistake by the authorities, and may exacerbate the problem to the extent that seperatist feeling could take root.

imaging 1.3 chinese all want to stay in shanghai or shenzhen,we treat Uighurs exactly like Han.for those people really want to work,they can find a job in any city.
lots of muslims are running this kind of restaurant in every city


a very famous basketball coach,Uighur

vice-premier,Uighur

i don't know what kind of proper education your are talking about,there are plenty of schools and universities like this in xinjiang,none of those is close to Uighurs，none of chinese schools or universities is close to Uighurs



for those remote area in xinjiang ,i will let the picture defend,China is not US

 

[Gabbar]

^^^ A**hole on the loose!!! Mods please delete his posts!!!

 

[skeptic9]

Dude don't you have anything meaningful to do?
huh! at this hour??

 

[gpit]

Dear Sir,

Your claim is curious to say the least. Can you provide any sources, including Chinese historican records, that the Han Chinese were settled in this region earlier than the 20th century?

The Uighurs seem to have entered the territory presently named Xinjiang around 600 AD. There was no Chinese presence in these territories until after the Ming Dynasty; Emperor Yong Le is reported to have 'gained influence' over Eastern Turkestan, that is today known as Xinjiang, and his dates are nearly 750 years later.

In subsequent centuries, Chinese traders have been reported in Urumqi and other urban centres. Mass migration of Han Chinese began only after PLA occupation of Xinjiang in 1949.

Earlier events are fully recorded in Chinese records of the times, including the travel memoirs of famous traveller monks. If you are not aware of these records, a list can be provided.

'Joe S.'

I bet you haven't read my previous posts, for instance this one.

Please do so and study more before blahblah.

I'm talking to you and to those who thanked you for your joke.

 

[gpit]

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Check Mate, Vini Vidi Vici!!!

I see you have a number of problems in your argument and supporting documents.

1) Further assure you that Xiongnu is not a single Hun or Turkic people, rather it is a collection of different tribes.

You have a deep misconception about Xiongnu, as you had demonstrated earlier. What I can feel is that you based your arguments mainly on Western sources. It is understandable as the Western history is deeply affected with Hun’s invasion. But it is wrong or incomplete in many profound ways if you think that is a whole picture.

Xiongnu history has been recorded the earliest only in Chinese literature and has been intensively studied by Chinese scholars, though many myths are still inconclusive. Besides the Chinese scholars, only Japanese are the best in this field academically. Western scholars are lagging far, far behind.

Let me introduce one of the greatest Chinese history books Shiji (Records of Grand Historian) written by Sima Qian from 109 BC to 91 BC. Records of the Grand Historian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Within this book, there is a particular chapter talked about Xiongnu called 匈奴列传, or “Biographies of Xiongnu”. In its first sentence, it is written: 「匈奴，其先祖夏後氏之苗裔也，曰淳維。」. This roughly means: Xiongnu, who’s ancestors are descendants of Xia Dynasty, called Chunwei. Xia was a real dynasty in ancient China (Xia Dynasty (夏&#26397 – [2100 BC – 1600 BC]).

The book Explanation of Shiji《史記索隱》 quote Zhang An: Chunwei ran into North during Shang Dynasty (商&#26397 – [1600 BC – 1066 BC].

“Biographies of Xiongnu” actually details how Xiongnu look like, their way of life, their geographic distribution, and their tribal names. Unfortunately, I don’t find an English translation.

According to yet another ancient, but more about legend an folk-tales, Chinese book《山海經·大荒北經》：犬戎與夏人同祖，皆出於黃帝。 it means Xiongnu shares ancestors with Xia, both are descendants of Emperor Huang. There are disputes whether Emperor Huang (Yellow Emperor Yellow Emperor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) is real or legendary, or is an iconic abstraction of collective true ancient Chinese characters), who has been considered as Chinese ancestors together with Emperor Yan (Yan Emperor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

Chinese scholar (a sort of anti-communist, to make you feel more comfortable, who published a book (Ethnical Sources and Flows in China North) 朱學淵 (Zhu Xueyuan ¦¶¾Ç²W¡G¦I¥£ªº¦å½t¡B»y¨¥©M¥X°kªº¸ô½u) wrote … 由余 即「回紇」…i.e. Youyu Xiongnu (Youyu is only one of dozen Xiongnu’s names that Shiji quotes) is Huihe. It is quite certain now that Huihe is (at least major) ancestor of today’s Uighur. Dr. Zhu further quotes 《漢書》 (The Book of Han Book of Han - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) a letter from Xiongnu to Han emperor asking for wives:” 「孤僨之君，生於沮澤之中，長於平野牛馬之域，數至邊境，願游中國。陛下獨立，孤僨獨居。兩主不樂，無以自虞，願以所有，易其所無。」” where the head of Xiongnu claimed where his ancestors were from. Dr. Zhu thus postulate that is Tungusic (Tungusic people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

About all these, Wiki correctly stated, more in western methodology of archeology:
“According to Sima Qian, the Xiongnu's ruling clan were descendants of Chunwei (淳&#32173, possibly a son of Jie, the final ruler of the Xia Dynasty. However, while there is no direct evidence contradicting this account, there is no direct evidence supporting it either.”

Nonetheless, we can say, in written history but without archeological proof, Xoingnu, as far as one school of ancient Chinese scholars are considered, are of Chinese descendants, perhaps mixed with a kind of “Northern Barbarians”(犬&#25102.

Regardless, overwhelming amount of authentic sources assure us that Xingnu is a collection of nomad tribes. It is completely wrong to consider Xingnu being only a single Hun or Turkic type people.

Even as Xiongnu is indeed a collection of multi-ethnic tribes, there is nothing illogical what some Westerner researchers will incorrectly consider Xingnu is only Turkic, as they are mostly interested in Hun Xiongnu, not the others, or are just per topic of Hun.

BTW, actually I’m glad that you also agree that Xiongnu is a mixed ethnics when you say:” because research strongly suggest these people consisted Prototypical Turkic peoples as well, not only Mongoloid.” So we can close this topic.

2) Uighur history and territorial claim

If Youyu, a tribe mentioned in Shiji is indeed an ancestor of today’s Uighur according to Dr. Zhu, then there is no question that Uighur has that length of history. But please remember that Youyu is only a part of Xiongnu, and a part of Xiongnu confederation. Thus claiming the historical territory of Xiongnu confederation as Uighur’s territory is obviously more ridiculous than the Mongolian claim many of Europe their territory. Maybe America should be left to native Indians? Lol

There are a host of legal requirements for territorial claim. Political control is generally a must.

Of course, you can change today's legal process as long as you have the energy/power/resources, etc.

So still my old statement: Let's promote human rights and social equality in Xinjiang together, and stop doing anything counter-productive!

BTW, I'm not interested in checkmating anything/anybody, nor conquering anything. I'm only interested in truth.

 

[quriosity]

Muslim Iran also says the Xinjiang violence was caused by western foreign forces....

Mottaki: Western meddling led to China unrest



Iran condemns the interference of Western governments in China's internal affairs, saying their meddling had provoked the unrest in oil-rich Xinjiang.

In a telephone conversation with his Chinese counterpart Yang Jiechi, Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki expressed the concern of Muslim countries and scholars about the unrest in the northwestern province of Xinjiang.

Stressing the importance of national unity, Mottaki urged the Beijing government to protect the security of Chinese Muslims and condemned foreign interference, which aims to undermine China's stability.

Yang for his part said that the situation in Xinjiang had been brought under control.

The Chinese Foreign Minister added that China respects the rights of all minorities and religious groups living in the country and hopes to restore calm and promote solidarity in Xinjiang.

At least 184 people have lost their lives in protests in the northwestern city of Urumqi over the past week, when the mainly Muslim Uighur minority took to the streets to protest 'discrimination under Chinese rule'.

The protests, which saw more than 1,600 people injured, were sparked over the last-month deaths of Uighur factory workers during a brawl in southern China.

According to government figures, 137 of the casualties were Han Chinese.

Chinese government officials have accused US-exiled Uighur activist Rebiya Kadeer and her followers of being behind the violence.

She, however, denies the allegations and accuses China of inciting the violence.

The Uighurs were once the majority in Xinjiang but now make up only about half of the region's 20 million population due to Han migration.

The eight million Uighurs in Xinjiang accuse the Chinese government of discrimination and repression. The government, however, denies the charges.

 

[quriosity]

Sri Lanka too supported China... i am posting a good analytical article from Lanka web...

LankaWeb – The trouble in China: the West intensifies the strategy of destabilisation


Posted on July 8th, 2009
Ajit Randeniya

Less than a month after the spectacular failure of the US and UK orchestrated attempt to destabilise Iran and implement regime change, the gullible public in the West are being bombarded at this moment with similar news of ‘protests’ in Western China.

The propaganda being dished out by the Western media arm of the conspiracy has a familiar ring to it: casualty numbers are precise as if they were predetermined; the police is committing unspeakable brutality towards ‘peaceful’ protesters; and there are inspiring stories of ‘courageous’ resistance against the State law enforcement authorities, with iconic film footage and photographs!

This latest plot conforms to an emerging pattern of a rejuvenated Western strategy of destabilising countries they see as competitors to the US economic and political hegemony of the world, primarily by orchestrating communal unrest. The attempts to achieve this aim are being deployed through the secret services, operating in connivance with Diaspora groups. In order to attract local community sympathy and support, such Diaspora ‘governments in exile’ are portrayed as victims of ‘Human Rights abuses’ in their home countries.

The events in China this week are typical of this sinister strategy, with all the usual ingredients: a region with simmering ethnic and religious unrest in ‘a country of interest’ and an active minority Diaspora in the West backed by significant financial resources. All the secret services need to do to inflame the situation is to facilitate the activities of a few hundred provocateurs through Western embassy staff; The media oligopoly will look after the rest by giving international exposure to the group as the ‘righteous’ being persecuted by the state machinery! The script of the story emanating from Xinjiang, the capital of China’s Autonomous Northwestern region of Uyghur conforms to this model, to the letter.

This exploitation of an ethnic minority as the primary tool of destabilisation in particular, conforms to a pattern Sri Lanka and numerous other countries undermined by the US in the past are familiar with. The Uyghur region of China that shares common borders with poor, vulnerable Central and South Asian countries Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Nepal, Bhutan and Bangladesh has long been targeted by the neocons in and around the US administrations as the potential epicenter of political and economic destabilisation, the means of achieving their atrocious objective of ‘containment’ of China.

The aim of these conspirators was to exploit the ethnic issue in the province between the Han Chinese and theTurkic minority to ferment trouble inside China, through the Uyghur minority communities in the bordering Central Asian countries. It is a bonus that the region is also rich in oil, gas and coal!

This attempt to exploit the Turkic ethnic issue in China is all the more deplorable due to China’s honourable record towards its ethnic minorities, especially during the Cultural Revolution: Chairman Mao Zedong refined the idea of China’s founding father Sun Yat-sen that all people in China belong to the “great family of Chinese” further: he aligned it with his doctrine aimed at constructing a shared, ‘socialist labor’ identity for all working people, unified by their enmity against capitalists, land owners, serf owners and other exploiters, regardless of their ethnicity. The idea of ethnicity that replaced the idea of class also made the Han and non-Han people equal economically and politically, prompting the working poor of China’s ethnic minority groups to extend their support to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) government.

The majority Han was aggrieved however, due to the apparent ‘reverse discrimination’ meted out to them in the form of decreased population proportion that resulted of the exemption of ethnic minorities from the one-child policy for example, and the privileges granted to ethnic minorities for employment and education opportunities caused. In essence, the Chinese ended up inheriting a problem not unlike that of Sri Lanka’s, with some Uyghurs resorting to separatist violence, and emigrating to the West.

The Uyghurs in the US were organised under a ‘World Uyghur Congress’ (WUC), their government in exile, led by the 62 year old Rebiya Kadeer, a millionaire businesswoman who fled China in 2005, after serving a goal term for endangering national security, following arrest on her way to meet a visiting delegation from the ‘US Congressional Research Service’!

The Chinese government immediately traced the origins of the current violence as “a pre-empted, organised violent crime instigated and directed from abroad and carried out by outlaws in the country”, and blamed the WUC for orchestrating the events via the internet. Predictably, and according to the script, the WUC told Voice of America that the police had opened fire on protesters!

The timing of the events is related to the meeting of ‘the Group of Eight’ (G8) meeting being held in the Italian town of L’Aquila, and more particularly to China’s planned push at the meeting, together with Russia, for the need to develop a new global financial system based on several ‘strong’ regional currencies rather than the US dollar that has lost all credibility.

Obviously, the US, UK end the EU considered this challenge to the supremacy their currencies needs warding off, and decided on a campaign of destabilisation to ‘reverse the pressure’. The signs as to who is behind the events, like in the Iranian case, were unmistakable: German Chancellor Angela Merkel in particular, volunteered to “speak to Chinese President Hu Jintao” at the meeting about the “worsening violence” in Xinjiang. US State Department spokesman Ian Kelly said: “We call on all sides for calm and restraint.” UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon also chipped in, urging the Chinese government to “respect their people’s right to protest”. This part of the conspiracy failed however, due to the Chinese President’s decision to cancel his plan to attend the G8 meeting and to return home after his state visit to Italy.

The crux of the matter here is China’s call for the replacement of the US dollar with stable currencies as the major reserve currencies, and for a new mechanism to maintain tighter vigil on countries issuing reserve currencies: as a country that currently holds more than $2 trillion in foreign exchange reserves, more than 70 percent in US dollar assets, China has the perfect right as well as reasons to demand such a change because under the current framework the US dollar problem is made “a Chinese problem”, giving US another lever to destabilise China.

The West’s response so far has been to convert the Chinese concern to its own advantage by demanding the complete elimination of capital controls, the “Holy Grail” of Western search for world domination by controlling the exchange rate volatility that an open capital account generates. Add to this self-serving demand the purely ‘political’ demands of legal and Human Rights ‘reforms’.

As in all matters, China is pursuing a path of slow, cautious policy toward strengthening of the yuan (renminbi) as an alternative to Western currencies and the Yen, all beset with complex problems. With time, China is likely to ease-up on is current policy of preventing the build up of sizeable amounts of the currency by speculators beyond its borders, allowing them to control the exchange rate.

The recently announced goal to turn Shanghai into an international financial center by 2020 however, suggests that China aims to make the yuan fully convertible by then. There are other developments: this year alone, China has signed 650 billion yuan ($95 billion) of ‘currency swap’s with nations from Argentina to Belarus; just this week, China started allowing companies to use the yuan to settle cross-border trade; also this week, banks in China and Hong Kong began wiring yuan directly to settle payments for imports and exports. Such developments are all steps toward establishing the yuan as a global currency — and, eventually, an international alternative to the dollar. China’s stable economic performance and its management of the current turmoil and the 1997/98 Asian financial crisis have proved that China is a worthy contender for global economic leadership: its sheer economic size would propel the yuan to reserve currency status.

The day that the renminbi becomes fully convertible will signal a day of reckoning for the US, marking the real, final shift in global economic leadership to China: the direst practical consequence the US is dreading is that it will no longer be able to run up huge budget deficits and debt without economic penalties of the sort they are handing to the poor at the moment.

This is the reason why the US and its EU cohorts will be looking for new ways of curbing China’s progress; but history has shown that some things are inevitable.

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

If this is the quality of your research, with due respect, you need be more serious in order to gain a footage in any academia of any sort.

Let me quote the same source that you quote, but more completely:


BTW, Chanyu is also a generic name like “official” or “officer” in Xiongnu system. There are high level Chanyus and low level Chanyus.

In your article, you imply that Uighurs are Xiongnu in some sense, that is wrong, at least not quite correct. You further deduce that Xiongnu’s land is Uighur’s land. That is even more ridiculous.

1. What is Xiongnu?
Xiongnu (or Hsiung-nu) was a derogatory name (I believe, as Chinese characters are in most cases pictographic) coined by the ancient Chinese, literally meaning “ferocious slaves”. This is a generic name that contains a collection of nomadic tribes with many different races and locations in north and northwest of ancient China. For instance, in the Western Zhou(&#21608 period(about 1046B.C.-771B.C.) Xiongnu was also called Hunyi(混&#22839, meaning “mixed barbarians”. (Note that, this is only a simplified translation. Ancient Chinese called “Barbarians” with many different names based on their locations, etc.)

Westerner thus said:


Part of Xiongnu actually assimilated themselves into Chinese. According to your logic, the Chinese at least have equal rights to ET.

A typical such example is 刘渊 (Liu Yuan, ?-310 AD) whose ancestors were awarded Chinese emperor’s surname Liu and belonged to South Xiongnu (in contrast to North Xiongnu at that time). 308 AD,(304 in some articles) Liu Yuan established a small state also called Han, because he believed he inherited from already finished Han Dynasty. It was just one of 16 states during the Age of Fragmentation and vanished later in China.

2. Relationship between Xiongnu and Uighur, and the formation of Uighur.
There is some indication that Uighur ancestors are a mixture of many tribes, some of these may belong to Xiongnu. It is illogical to say that Uighur is the only descendant of Xiongnu,or Uighur is ancient Xiongnu, as Xiongnu is a collection of tribes. If so, by above facts (emperor Liu Yuan of South Xiongnu), modern Chinese are also decedents of Xiongnu and is legitimate owner of Xinjiang. lol

The below quote is a true reflection of history as to when Uighur is actually formed as a national.


BTW, please don’t mix Xiongnu with Tujue (Turkut).


This is what an anti-communist ET website has to say


According to this, their national history can mostly be traced back to 5AD.

In comparison, this is the maps of Chinese sphere of control in Northwest during that time before the formation of Uighur(206BC - 8AD).




BTW, recent discovery of an ancient mummies in Xinjiang (The Mummies of Xinjiang | Archaeology | DISCOVER Magazine ) inadvertently antagonizes some people, because it proves further that Uighurs are not the only native to this land.

BTW again, Chinese history is not and can not be monopolized by Chinese government and parties of any sorts. This history is a result of all scholars with various political backgrounds from across the world, and is backed up by hard evidences and proofs, of course with many questions still remain unanswered. Please point out which source I quoted was from Chinese government that is in contradiction to academic research. Will quotes from terrorist ETIM web site make you feel much happier?

BTW thrice, if twisting history is because Uighurs are Muslims, that is what people call “religious extremist”. In China, Muslims live and do business all over the places. Chinese citizens, regardless of their believes, can call anywhere in China their home.

Let's promote human rights and social equality in Xinjiang together, and stop doing anything counter-productive!

Thank you comrade you in-depth research is most useful. Most religious fanatics tend to ignore historical facts in lieu of their unsubstantiated beliefs. If you find yourself believing in something 'just because' it forms 'part of' your religion, then you are one step closer to being a religious fanatic. Better to think for yourself, research and discuss thoroughly BEFORE you make a decision. If you lack the necessary information then don't make unwise conclusions.

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

Sri Lanka too supported China... i am posting a good analytical article from Lanka web...

LankaWeb – The trouble in China: the West intensifies the strategy of destabilisation


Posted on July 8th, 2009
Ajit Randeniya

Less than a month after the spectacular failure of the US and UK orchestrated attempt to destabilise Iran and implement regime change, the gullible public in the West are being bombarded at this moment with similar news of ‘protests’ in Western China.

The propaganda being dished out by the Western media arm of the conspiracy has a familiar ring to it: casualty numbers are precise as if they were predetermined; the police is committing unspeakable brutality towards ‘peaceful’ protesters; and there are inspiring stories of ‘courageous’ resistance against the State law enforcement authorities, with iconic film footage and photographs!

This latest plot conforms to an emerging pattern of a rejuvenated Western strategy of destabilising countries they see as competitors to the US economic and political hegemony of the world, primarily by orchestrating communal unrest. The attempts to achieve this aim are being deployed through the secret services, operating in connivance with Diaspora groups. In order to attract local community sympathy and support, such Diaspora ‘governments in exile’ are portrayed as victims of ‘Human Rights abuses’ in their home countries.

The events in China this week are typical of this sinister strategy, with all the usual ingredients: a region with simmering ethnic and religious unrest in ‘a country of interest’ and an active minority Diaspora in the West backed by significant financial resources. All the secret services need to do to inflame the situation is to facilitate the activities of a few hundred provocateurs through Western embassy staff; The media oligopoly will look after the rest by giving international exposure to the group as the ‘righteous’ being persecuted by the state machinery! The script of the story emanating from Xinjiang, the capital of China’s Autonomous Northwestern region of Uyghur conforms to this model, to the letter.

This exploitation of an ethnic minority as the primary tool of destabilisation in particular, conforms to a pattern Sri Lanka and numerous other countries undermined by the US in the past are familiar with. The Uyghur region of China that shares common borders with poor, vulnerable Central and South Asian countries Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Nepal, Bhutan and Bangladesh has long been targeted by the neocons in and around the US administrations as the potential epicenter of political and economic destabilisation, the means of achieving their atrocious objective of ‘containment’ of China.

The aim of these conspirators was to exploit the ethnic issue in the province between the Han Chinese and theTurkic minority to ferment trouble inside China, through the Uyghur minority communities in the bordering Central Asian countries. It is a bonus that the region is also rich in oil, gas and coal!

This attempt to exploit the Turkic ethnic issue in China is all the more deplorable due to China’s honourable record towards its ethnic minorities, especially during the Cultural Revolution: Chairman Mao Zedong refined the idea of China’s founding father Sun Yat-sen that all people in China belong to the “great family of Chinese” further: he aligned it with his doctrine aimed at constructing a shared, ‘socialist labor’ identity for all working people, unified by their enmity against capitalists, land owners, serf owners and other exploiters, regardless of their ethnicity. The idea of ethnicity that replaced the idea of class also made the Han and non-Han people equal economically and politically, prompting the working poor of China’s ethnic minority groups to extend their support to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) government.

The majority Han was aggrieved however, due to the apparent ‘reverse discrimination’ meted out to them in the form of decreased population proportion that resulted of the exemption of ethnic minorities from the one-child policy for example, and the privileges granted to ethnic minorities for employment and education opportunities caused. In essence, the Chinese ended up inheriting a problem not unlike that of Sri Lanka’s, with some Uyghurs resorting to separatist violence, and emigrating to the West.

The Uyghurs in the US were organised under a ‘World Uyghur Congress’ (WUC), their government in exile, led by the 62 year old Rebiya Kadeer, a millionaire businesswoman who fled China in 2005, after serving a goal term for endangering national security, following arrest on her way to meet a visiting delegation from the ‘US Congressional Research Service’!

The Chinese government immediately traced the origins of the current violence as “a pre-empted, organised violent crime instigated and directed from abroad and carried out by outlaws in the country”, and blamed the WUC for orchestrating the events via the internet. Predictably, and according to the script, the WUC told Voice of America that the police had opened fire on protesters!

The timing of the events is related to the meeting of ‘the Group of Eight’ (G8) meeting being held in the Italian town of L’Aquila, and more particularly to China’s planned push at the meeting, together with Russia, for the need to develop a new global financial system based on several ‘strong’ regional currencies rather than the US dollar that has lost all credibility.

Obviously, the US, UK end the EU considered this challenge to the supremacy their currencies needs warding off, and decided on a campaign of destabilisation to ‘reverse the pressure’. The signs as to who is behind the events, like in the Iranian case, were unmistakable: German Chancellor Angela Merkel in particular, volunteered to “speak to Chinese President Hu Jintao” at the meeting about the “worsening violence” in Xinjiang. US State Department spokesman Ian Kelly said: “We call on all sides for calm and restraint.” UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon also chipped in, urging the Chinese government to “respect their people’s right to protest”. This part of the conspiracy failed however, due to the Chinese President’s decision to cancel his plan to attend the G8 meeting and to return home after his state visit to Italy.

The crux of the matter here is China’s call for the replacement of the US dollar with stable currencies as the major reserve currencies, and for a new mechanism to maintain tighter vigil on countries issuing reserve currencies: as a country that currently holds more than $2 trillion in foreign exchange reserves, more than 70 percent in US dollar assets, China has the perfect right as well as reasons to demand such a change because under the current framework the US dollar problem is made “a Chinese problem”, giving US another lever to destabilise China.

The West’s response so far has been to convert the Chinese concern to its own advantage by demanding the complete elimination of capital controls, the “Holy Grail” of Western search for world domination by controlling the exchange rate volatility that an open capital account generates. Add to this self-serving demand the purely ‘political’ demands of legal and Human Rights ‘reforms’.

As in all matters, China is pursuing a path of slow, cautious policy toward strengthening of the yuan (renminbi) as an alternative to Western currencies and the Yen, all beset with complex problems. With time, China is likely to ease-up on is current policy of preventing the build up of sizeable amounts of the currency by speculators beyond its borders, allowing them to control the exchange rate.

The recently announced goal to turn Shanghai into an international financial center by 2020 however, suggests that China aims to make the yuan fully convertible by then. There are other developments: this year alone, China has signed 650 billion yuan ($95 billion) of ‘currency swap’s with nations from Argentina to Belarus; just this week, China started allowing companies to use the yuan to settle cross-border trade; also this week, banks in China and Hong Kong began wiring yuan directly to settle payments for imports and exports. Such developments are all steps toward establishing the yuan as a global currency — and, eventually, an international alternative to the dollar. China’s stable economic performance and its management of the current turmoil and the 1997/98 Asian financial crisis have proved that China is a worthy contender for global economic leadership: its sheer economic size would propel the yuan to reserve currency status.

The day that the renminbi becomes fully convertible will signal a day of reckoning for the US, marking the real, final shift in global economic leadership to China: the direst practical consequence the US is dreading is that it will no longer be able to run up huge budget deficits and debt without economic penalties of the sort they are handing to the poor at the moment.

This is the reason why the US and its EU cohorts will be looking for new ways of curbing China’s progress; but history has shown that some things are inevitable.

Thank you for posting this. I hope India supports China as well, as I support India. Not long ago I warned that the US-G8-white-nations was going to stab India in the back concerning the 1-2-3 deal (Nuclear Suppliers Group)..... and it just occured at the G8 meeting in Italy.

For all the talk about China in India, China has NOT backstabbed India (i.e. 1962 true history). Even with the small border dispute, relations are still respectful. That is much more than can be said for these "civilized non-barbaric" white-nations whose actions are HYPOCRITICAL.

Truth is, one can trust Asian nations much more. How many times in history have Asian nations pillaged, plundered, raped, stolen, occupied foreign land??? In fact the REVERSE occured (and still is occuring). India's place is with Asia.

 

[quriosity]

for those who understand geo-politics better than religion... i am posting a good analytical piece here...

Is Washington Playing a Deeper Game with China? :: The Market Oracle :: Financial Markets Analysis & Forecasting Free Website

Is Washington Playing a Deeper Game with China?
Politics / GeoPolitics Jul 11, 2009 - 01:55 PM

By: F_William_Engdahl

July 12 —After the tragic events of July 5 in Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region in China, it would be useful to look more closely into the actual role of the US Government’s ”independent“ NGO, the National Endowment for Democracy (NED). All indications are that the US Government, once more acting through its “private” Non-Governmental Organization, the NED, is massively intervening into the internal politics of China.

The reasons for Washington’s intervention into Xinjiang affairs seems to have little to do with concerns over alleged human rights abuses by Beijing authorities against Uyghur people. It seems rather to have very much to do with the strategic geopolitical location of Xinjiang on the Eurasian landmass and its strategic importance for China’s future economic and energy cooperation with Russia, Kazakhastan and other Central Asia states of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.

The major organization internationally calling for protests in front of Chinese embassies around the world is the Washington, D.C.-based World Uyghur Congress (WUC).

The WUC manages to finance a staff, a very fancy website in English, and has a very close relation to the US Congress-funded NED. According to published reports by the NED itself, the World Uyghur Congress receives $215,000.00 annually from the National Endowment for Democracy for “human rights research and advocacy projects.” The president of the WUC is an exile Uyghur who describes herself as a “laundress turned millionaire,” Rebiya Kadeer, who also serves as president of the Washington D.C.-based Uyghur American Association, another Uyghur human rights organization which receives significant funding from the US Government via the National Endowment for Democracy.

The NED was intimately involved in financial support to various organizations behind the Lhasa ”Crimson Revolution“ in March 2008, as well as the Saffron Revolution in Burma/Myanmar and virtually every regime change destabilization in eastern Europe over the past years from Serbia to Georgia to Ukraine to Kyrgystan to Teheran in the aftermath of the recent elections.

Allen Weinstein, who helped draft the legislation establishing NED, was quite candid when he said in a published interview in 1991: "A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA."

The NED is supposedly a private, non-government, non-profit foundation, but it receives a yearly appropriation for its international work from the US Congress. The NED money is channelled through four “core foundations”. These are the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, linked to Obama’s Democratic Party; the International Republican Institute tied to the Republican Party; the American Center for International Labor Solidarity linked to the AFL-CIO US labor federation as well as the US State Department; and the Center for International Private Enterprise linked to the US Chamber of Commerce.

The salient question is what has the NED been actively doing that might have encouraged the unrest in Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, and what is the Obama Administration policy in terms of supporting or denouncing such NED-financed intervention into sovereign politics of states which Washington deems a target for pressure? The answers must be found soon, but one major step to help clarify Washington policy under the new Obama Administration would be for a full disclosure by the NED, the US State Department and NGO’s linked to the US Government, of their involvement, if at all, in encouraging Uyghur separatism or unrest. Is it mere coincidence that the Uyghur riots take place only days following the historic meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization?

Uyghur exile organizations, China and Geopolitics

On May 18 this year, the US-government’s in-house “private” NGO, the NED, according to the official WUC website, hosted a seminal human rights conference entitled East Turkestan: 60 Years under Communist Chinese Rule, along with a curious NGO with the name, the Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organisation (UNPO).

The Honorary President and founder of the UNPO is one Erkin Alptekin, an exile Uyghur who founded UNPO while working for the US Information Agency’s official propaganda organization, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty as Director of their Uygur Division and Assistant Director of the Nationalities Services.

Alptekin also founded the World Uyghur Congress at the same time, in 1991, while he was with the US Information Agency. The official mission of the USIA when Alptekin founded the World Uyghur Congress in 1991 was “to understand, inform, and influence foreign publics in promotion of the [USA] national interest…” Alptekin was the first president of WUC, and, according to the official WUC website, is a “close friend of the Dalai Lama.”

Closer examination reveals that UNPO in turn to be an American geopolitical strategist’s dream organization. It was formed, as noted, in 1991 as the Soviet Union was collapsing and most of the land area of Eurasia was in political and economic chaos. Since 2002 its Director General has been Archduke Karl von Habsburg of Austria who lists his (unrecognized by Austria or Hungary) title as “Prince Imperial of Austria and Royal Prince of Hungary.”

Among the UNPO principles is the right to ‘self-determination’ for the 57 diverse population groups who, by some opaque process not made public, have been admitted as official UNPO members with their own distinct flags, with a total population of some 150 million peoples and headquarters in the Hague, Netherlands.

UNPO members range from Kosovo which “joined” when it was fully part of then Yugoslavia in 1991. It includes the “Aboriginals of Australia” who were listed as founding members along with Kosovo. It includes the Buffalo River Dene Nation indians of northern Canada.

The select UNPO members also include Tibet which is listed as a founding member. It also includes other explosive geopolitical areas as the Crimean Tartars, the Greek Minority in Romania, the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria (in Russia), the Democratic Movement of Burma, and the gulf enclave adjacent to Angola and the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and which just happens to hold rights to some of the world’s largest offshore oil fields leased to Condi Rice’s old firm, Chevron Oil. Further geopolitical hotspots which have been granted elite recognition by the UNPO membership include the large section of northern Iran which designates itself as Southern Azerbaijan, as well as something that calls itself Iranian Kurdistan.

In April 2008 according to the website of the UNPO, the US Congress’ NED sponsored a “leadership training” seminar for the World Uyghur Congress (WUC) together with the Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization. Over 50 Uyghurs from around the world together with prominent academics, government representatives and members of the civil society gathered in Berlin Germany to discuss “Self-Determination under International Law.” What they discussed privately is not known. Rebiya Kadeer gave the keynote address.

The suspicious timing of the Xinjiang riots

The current outbreak of riots and unrest in Urumqi, the capital of Xinjiang in the northwest part of China, exploded on July 5 local time.

According to the website of the World Uyghur Congress, the “trigger” for the riots was an alleged violent attack on June 26 in China’s southern Guangdong Province at a toy factory where the WUC alleges that Han Chinese workers attacked and beat to death two Uyghur workers for allegedly raping or sexually molesting two Han Chinese women workers in the factory. On July 1, the Munich arm of the WUC issued a worldwide call for protest demonstrations against Chinese embassies and consulates for the alleged Guangdong attack, despite the fact they admitted the details of the incident were unsubstantiated and filled with allegations and dubious reports.

According to a press release they issued, it was that June 26 alleged attack that gave the WUC the grounds to issue their worldwide call to action.

On July 5, a Sunday in Xinjiang but still the USA Independence Day, July 4, in Washington, the WUC in Washington claimed that Han Chinese armed soldiers seized any Uyghur they found on the streets and according to official Chinese news reports, widespread riots and burning of cars along the streets of Urumqi broke out resulting over the following three days in over 140 deaths.

China’s official Xinhua News Agency said that protesters from the Uighur Muslim ethnic minority group began attacking ethnic Han pedestrians, burning vehicles and attacking buses with batons and rocks. "They took to the street...carrying knives, wooden batons, bricks and stones," they cited an eyewitness as saying. The French AFP news agency quoted Alim Seytoff, general secretary of the Uighur American Association in Washington, that according to his information, police had begun shooting "indiscriminately" at protesting crowds.

Two different versions of the same events: The Chinese government and pictures of the riots indicate it was Uyghur riot and attacks on Han Chinese residents that resulted in deaths and destruction. French official reports put the blame on Chinese police “shooting indiscriminately.” Significantly, the French AFP report relies on the NED-funded Uyghur American Association of Rebiya Kadeer for its information. The reader should judge if the AFP account might be motivated by a US geopolitical agenda, a deeper game from the Obama Administration towards China’s economic future.

Is it merely coincidence that the riots in Xinjiang by Uyghur organizations broke out only days after the meeting took place in Yakaterinburg, Russia of the member nations of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, as well as Iran as official observer guest, represented by President Ahmadinejad?

Over the past few years, in the face of what is seen as an increasingly hostile and incalculable United States foreign policy, the major nations of Eurasia—China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan have increasingly sought ways of direct and more effective cooperation in economic as well as security areas. In addition, formal Observer status within SCO has been given to Iran, Pakistan, India and Mongolia. The SCO defense ministers are in regular and growing consultation on mutual defense needs, as NATO and the US military command continue provocatively to expand across the region wherever it can.

The Strategic Importance of Xinjiang for Eurasian Energy Infrastructure

There is another reason for the nations of the SCO, a vital national security element, to having peace and stability in China’s Xinjiang region. Some of China’s most important oil and gas pipeline routes pass directly through Xinjiang province. Energy relations between Kazkhstan and China are of enormous strategic importance for both countries, and allow China to become less dependent on oil supply sources that can be cut off by possible US interdiction should relations deteriorate to such a point.

Kazak President Nursultan Nazarbayev paid a State visit in April 2009 to Beijing. The talks concerned deepening economic cooperation, above all in the energy area, where Kazkhastan holds huge reserves of oil and likely as well of natural gas. After the talks in Beijing, Chinese media carried articles with such titles as “"Kazakhstani oil to fill in the Great Chinese pipe."

The Atasu-Alashankou pipeline to be completed in 2009 will provide transportation of transit gas to China via Xinjiang. As well Chinese energy companies are involved in construction of a Zhanazholskiy gas processing plant, Pavlodar electrolyze plant and Moynakskaya hydro electric station in Kazakhstan.

According to the US Government’s Energy Information Administration, Kazakhstan’s Kashagan field is the largest oil field outside the Middle East and the fifth largest in the world in terms of reserves, located off the northern shore of the Caspian Sea, near the city of Atyrau. China has built a 613-mile-long pipeline from Atasu, in northwestern Kazakhstan, to Alashankou at the border of China's Xinjiang region which is exporting Caspian oil to China. PetroChina’s ChinaOil is the exclusive buyer of the crude oil on the Chinese side. The pipeline is a joint venture of CNPC and Kaztransoil of Kazkhstan. Some 85,000 bbl/d of Kazakh crude oil flowed through the pipeline during 2007. China’s CNPC is also involved in other major energy projects with Kazkhstan. They all traverse China’s Xinjiang region.

In 2007 CNPC signed an agreement to invest more than $2 billion to construct a natural gas pipeline from Turkmenistan through Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan to China. That pipeline would start at Gedaim on the border of Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan and extend 1,100 miles through Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan to Khorgos in China's Xinjiang region. Turkmenistan and China have signed a 30-year supply agreement for the gas that would fill the pipeline. CNPC has set up two entities to oversee the Turkmen upstream project and the development of a second pipeline that will cross China from the Xinjiang region to southeast China at a cost of some $7 billion.

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As well, Russia and China are discussing major natural gas pipelines from eastern Siberia through Xinjiang into China. Eastern Siberia contains around 135 Trillion cubic feet of proven plus probable natural gas reserves. The Kovykta natural gas field could give China with natural gas in the next decade via a proposed pipeline.

During the current global economic crisis, Kazakhstan received a major credit from China of $10 billion, half of which is for oil and gas sector. The oil pipeline Atasu-Alashankou and the gas pipeline China-Central Asia, are an instrument of strategic 'linkage' of central Asian countries to the economy China. That Eurasian cohesion from Russia to China across Central Asian countries is the geopolitical cohesion Washington most fears. While they would never say so, growing instability in Xinjiang would be an ideal way for Washington to weaken that growing cohesion of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization nations.

By F. William Engdahl
F W Engdahl

Is Washington Playing a Deeper Game with China? :: The Market Oracle :: Financial Markets Analysis & Forecasting Free Website

 

[paritosh]

we all have our territorial disputes and those damn separatists...India has them,Pakistan has them China has them Russia has them.So rather than dig pot-holes at each other for 'the mistreatment of people' rights'...we should let the eagle perch and the hawk perch...for howsoever similar or dissimilar these separatist movements appear to even a trained eye...they are better left to the respective nation to deal with.

 

[ARSENAL6]

we all have our territorial disputes and those damn separatists...India has them,Pakistan has them China has them Russia has them.So rather than dig pot-holes at each other for 'the mistreatment of people' rights'...we should let the eagle perch and the hawk perch...for howsoever similar or dissimilar these separatist movements appear to even a trained eye...they are better left to the respective nation to deal with.

Ah but have you ever wondered why that America, Canada, Australia and Europe don't have that problem ?

Too much of a coincidence i'd say !