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Current Account Records A Huge Surplus of Over $800 Million in July-Aug 2020

This is a huge topic, and most of the very important stuff is systemic and long lasting. For example, we can debate what a lack of land reforms has done to limit us and allow for a reinforcement loop of policies for continuity, weak institutions due to a lack of long term political stability, low literacy rate and poverty traps made worse due to other failings.

But if we limit the scope of these matters only to what’s relevant to this thread. Pakistan has a long established history of policies that cause or allow financial crises to develop and then once every few years we go to the IMF. This latest phase was largely the result of using of policy imbalances favouring imports and expenditure as a means to drive growth vs better competitiveness and export led growth. We artificially inflated PKR by using up SBP reserves (pegging), this means imports are cheaper and our already low value exports become less competitive, it’s also accompanied by strong internal demand. If this policy is used too much, you will burn through all fx reserves, and will invariably come knocking to the IMF and other multilateral lenders again. And the more of that debt you take on, the more interest payments are then needed to be paid out of the federal budget.

Basically, in previous years we were achieving 5-6% growth by using one sided policies that would cost us later on. Our economic growth at 5-6% can’t be sustained unless the current account deficit is reduced. Think of it like a car, you can go very very fast, but if your engine is not built for high performance, if your suspension and other parts cannot take the stress, and if you are achieving high speed by pushing the car to its limit. Something will eventually break. What’s needed is to improve the components and safely cruise at a higher speed (growth), rather than pushing a flimsy car to go faster than it is designed to go. There are others issues limiting our growth too. But this has been a major one in recent years.
To put it simple
They fueled govt spending by dropping interest rates (low interest govt has more money but less savings/investment) and printing notes (state bank lending) that led to a gdp growth ..
 
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To put it simple
They fueled govt spending by dropping interest rates (low interest govt has more money but less savings/investment) and printing notes (state bank lending) that led to a gdp growth ..
And on top of it they balanced the natural outcome of these artificial monetary steps by subsidizing dollar and promoting imports to keep inflation minimum.
We were spending 500million dollars per month to prompt up rupee, on the other hand our current account deficit was growing exponentially. We had reached a point where to sustain the flawed GDP of 4-6% for the next year our current account deficit was projected at around 26 billion US dollar.
We were by design entrapped in a debt trap.
 
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And on top of it they balanced the natural outcome of these artificial monetary steps by subsidizing dollar and promoting imports to keep inflation minimum.
We were spending 500million dollars per month to prompt up rupee, on the other hand our current account deficit was growing exponentially. We had reached a point where to sustain the flawed GDP of 4-6% for the next year our current account deficit was projected at around 26 billion US dollar.
We were by design entrapped in a debt trap.
And still establishment is dealing NROs with this criminal Pmln party of mafias and crooks who nearly defaulted state of Pakistan just because it is from Central Punjab
 
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1. Pandemic means low exports every one knows this
2. GDP hasnot lost anything PLEASE STOP COUNTING GDP IN NOMINAL.(nominal loss will be overcome by higher inflation)
PLEASE count GDP in purchasing power..this is basic 101..
By your logic if u have 20% inflation and -10% growth ur gdp growth was 10%...NO doesnt work that way
3. Key structural issues like lack of confidence in state bank, costly raw material and utilies and very low savings & thus low capital and investment (due to note printing, unfavorable power deals, artifical low interst rates and govt over spending done by previous govt) will be a challenge
U still didnt answer what was your magical way to arrnage for 24b$ for external fianancing
Firstly your reply are full of hate rather than logics .
Pandanemic means lower exports but for what ? essential items are always in demand .Dont jump ober 3 Months data and still forecasted exported will be less than 2017 data of 24 Billion US$ when rupee was 105 Rupees .
Coming to GDP the pie size determines what is the strength of the country there is a reason people treat India and China differently and now Bangladesh reason being shear size of GDP and rising middle class .In our case it is now reverse gear so any genius can work out why there is too much anxiety in people .By the way exports are one variable in GDP there are other factors as well .
With respect to SBP and confidence this GOvt will have the highest budget deficit upto 9% of GDP this year this is in documented go see budget not some Idol like Sabbir Shakir or Klassra`s program .
YOu have no idea what you are talking off get some lessons and come again. The Dollar gap is from Shaukat Aziz tenure and it was inflated due to CPEC related machinery .PTI has done nothing in this regard as CPEC winded up so automattically imports come down
 
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YOu have no idea what you are talking off get some lessons and come again. The Dollar gap is from Shaukat Aziz tenure and it was inflated due to CPEC related machinery .PTI has done nothing in this regard as CPEC winded up so automattically imports come down
Pakistan is still building mega dams, roads, train tracks under CPEC. Why have imports still come down?
 
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Firstly your reply are full of hate rather than logics .
And yours without logic

Pandanemic means lower exports but for what ?
Ofcourse textiles ..we dont export live saving equipment do we ?????

.Dont jump ober 3 Months data and still forecasted exported will be less than 2017 data
Ofcourse..no demand fot textiles i am not jumping i dont expect it to be better then 2017

Coming to GDP the pie size determines what is the strength of the country there is a reason people treat India and China differently and now Bangladesh reason being shear size of GDP and rising middle class .
True but tell me whats our gdp now? Does printing notes driving spending and afterwards adjustment of rupee and going to IMF Increases ur gdp..sharif did it three times..he couldnt..zimbabwe and afghanistan tried it too..
Why dont u print some paper at home to drive gdp


In our case it is now reverse gear so any genius can work out why there is too much anxiety in people .By the way exports are one variable in GDP there are other factors as well .
Yes exports is criteria that i dont count..infact even current account deficit doesnt matter as long as you can finance it(people lend u and your external debt is less then 20%
Gdp) and as long as it isnt due to bad polices of printing unbacked currency and as long as you maintain a healthy gdp savings (our dropped 3 times to less then 10% vs bangladesh having 30 savings)
Why do we even go to IMF why not a commercial bank???
Idiot because noone will lend u thats
Why??
So noone lending you money is a HEALTHY SIGN??
DIDNT YOUR OWN MINISTER SAID GO TO IMF EARLY..

With respect to SBP and confidence this GOvt will have the highest budget deficit upto 9% of GDP this year this is in documented go see budget not some Idol like Sabbir Shakir or Klassra`s program .
Did i ever said deficit was low..i am saying this again and again..you dumb or blind?
Ofcourse govt printed alot of notes last yr..afterall when spending isnt cut and your interest rate is increased to 13% from 3% where will govt bring money to pay the money?? I hope you arent this bad with maths but debt payment is 1/3 of your budget right???
Why did we increase interest rates?? Well someone needs to curb all the notes sharif printed!!! So why print notes first 2 years why not sign with IMF immediately and devalue immediately ..because imran khan was an idiot..he should have done that so that we would see a negative 10% growth first yr and 300 rupee devaluation and so that patwari would have been neat out..just like what PPPP did..devalued immediately by 50% with just 2 b deficit
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YOu have no idea what you are talking off get some lessons and come again. The Dollar gap is from Shaukat Aziz tenure and it was inflated due to CPEC related machinery .PTI has done nothing in this regard as CPEC winded up so automattically imports come down
cpec machinery includes diapers and cheez for sharifs

Yeah ...you are state bank lending is.. shitting gold not printing notes..sharif shits gold the reason why we ....his....
 
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This surplus is a deception and nothing to celebrate about. It has happened because repayment of loans amounting to billions of dollars were delayed due to the Corona Virus till December 2020.

After that dollar is going to cross 170.
 
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CAD doesnt include debt payments
You are right but it does include donations which is quite a healthy amount in this temporary surplus due to covid ...had it not been covid we might have deficit as last year ...it's a current transfer and services related surplus mainly due to good..hope we have a tangible surplus in future
 
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You are right but it does include donations which is quite a healthy amount in this temporary surplus due to covid ...had it not been covid we might have deficit as last year ...it's a current transfer and services related surplus mainly due to good..hope we have a tangible surplus in future
Nope it does not. CAD is your country's expenditure vs income. All the other dealings are measured in Reserves ( net inflows vs outflow over a certain period of time).
 
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This is all for the stock market, I know how this works, and 800 million is nothing. 70 years and we still don't have industrial capacity, still no semiconductor company. I don't know why the army is sitting thinking that god will create one for them, hello, you are lagging in avionics and everything. at least start a small company owned by a retired person, it will do wonders and put in on the stock market. I will be the first one to register for the IPO. making games and creating songs is a good thing, but I don't think it will propel the cause of Pakistan. Wish we had Ayub khan around, I wish.
 
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