Cuba solidarity, to Venezuela and beyond

[jamahir]

@jamahir you keep on talking about sympathy for farmers and students suicides. What is your take on suicide of CCD owner. He was an evil capitalist

He was an entrepreneur who owned something useful ( though I myself am not much of a coffee drinker - his leading product line ). Sad that he turned out to be a coward.

He owned things he could sell, though he stated in his last letter that he was being hounded by the system - the IT department.

Farmers who commit suicide have nothing remaining to sell except their ravaged land ( flooded or in drought ) whose only buyer could be an industrialist or the government.

Students suicides are different from farmer suicides.

 

[Soumitra]

Before we discuss "socialism" to end caste discrimination I want to ask you what if any role do you envisage for
1 More than 10 Lakh registered + active companies in India (99% of whom are run by capitalist with profit motive)
2 10,000 + engineering colleges
3 4500+ MBA colleges

 

[jamahir]

@Soumitra , I will return in some time.

 

[jamahir]

1 More than 10 Lakh registered + active companies in India (99% of whom are run by capitalist with profit motive)

Some of those companies / businesses can be preserved in a changed economy too. For example, an old company like the Raymond clothing line or the more recent Swiggy food delivery business.

The rest will have to adjust to the changed socio-economy or should be ready to be reorganized.

2 10,000 + engineering colleges

1. For computer and electronic engineering, these 10,000+ colleges can put their efforts into creating at least 10 microprocessors, 20 operating systems, at least one rollable screen computer / cell phone like the below computer which was presented in the year 2000 film Red Planet :

Also, these students can work on other computer things like Universal Memory which should replace the three different kinds of memory used presently ( SRAM, DRAM, Flash ).

2. For Civil Engineering, Agricultural Engineering and Mechanical Engineering, they can design automated Urban Farms and max five-storey Vertical Farms. These farms should be implemented at neighborhood-level. This would be other than constructing new townships where the housing areas are like the American suburbs : two-storey houses in a widely-spaced area, plus care taken to ensure earthquake-proofing and flood-proofing.

3. Again, for Mechanical Engineering plus Chemical Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Civil Engineering, Geological Engineering... these students can work on Space-related projects.

4. Again for Mechanical Engineering, can be taught development of 3D Printing. With addition of Chemical Engineering, can be taught ways to create food-related things like artificial meat.

At the moment these are the things I can think of.

3 4500+ MBA colleges

The students will have to be reassigned to other courses.

 

[Soumitra]

Some of those companies / businesses can be preserved in a changed economy too. For example, an old company like the Raymond clothing line or the more recent Swiggy food delivery business.

The rest will have to adjust to the changed socio-economy or should be ready to be reorganized.

So you want to close down large companies like Tata, reliance, Adanis etc which employ lakhs of people. Or convert them into PSUs?

Do you know Air India used to be the best airline in the world when it was Tata Airways. It was highly profitable. And now govt is running it and you see what has happened. Even when the govt wants to sell it no one wants to buy it because of unions and tonnes of debt. I think the govt is going to try one more time - this time they will unload their entire stake and make it private.

Just like Make America Great Again we should have Make Industries Private Again

2. For Civil Engineering, Agricultural Engineering and Mechanical Engineering, they can design automated Urban Farms and max five-storey Vertical Farms. These farms should be implemented at neighborhood-level.

We need less people in farming not more. Set up SEZs spread over 1000 acres. Give these lands to industirialists to set up factories. give the farmers some basic training and employ them in these factories

This would be other than constructing new townships where the housing areas are like the American suburbs : two-storey houses in a widely-spaced area, plus care taken to ensure earthquake-proofing and flood-proofing.

We have a huge population and very limited land. This thing wont work.

The students will have to be reassigned to other courses

Socialists will close down the careers of lakhs of students. maybe you want more Kanhaiya Kumars - freeloaders who enjoy on taxpayer money.

 

[Soumitra]

@jamahir

 

[jamahir]

@salarsikander , you said we could talk about Socialism on another thread. This is a thread I created in February last year on that topic. Go through these posts and reply.

 

[salarsikander]

@jamahir So why did socialist countries became failed state?

 

[jamahir]

@jamahir So why did socialist countries became failed state?

Take Libya for instance. It was a prosperous and comfortable country before 2011. And what happened in 2011 ??

As I said in the other thread, it was attacked by the militaries of 26 NATO countries + 6 GCC countries + thousands of private terrorists.

Libya didn't have nuclear weapons, so there was no deterrent capability.

So as of now, yes, Libya is a "failed state", but why ??

Same goes for other Socialist "failed states".

 

[salarsikander]

Take Libya for instance. It was a prosperous and comfortable country before 2011. And what happened in 2011 ??

As I said in the other thread, it was attacked by the militaries of 26 NATO countries + 6 GCC countries + thousands of private terrorists.

Libya didn't have nuclear weapons, so there was no deterrent capability.

So as of now, yes, Libya is a "failed state", but why ??

Same goes for other Socialist "failed states".

Bulshit, Dissent start from withing when there is gap and the fault lines are exploited

Same goes for Venezuela ? or Soviet?

 

[jamahir]

Bulshit, Dissent start from withing when there is gap and the fault lines are exploited

Same goes for Venezuela ? or Soviet?

Yes, Venezuela has dissent within. Venezuela is not s single-party system. The Venezuelan politician, Guaido, is being supported by CIA with "food" trucks from USA but which contained weapons.

But I will remind you of the Venezuelan revolutionary, Carlos, who in the 90s was kidnapped from Sudan by French commandos and is now in a French jail. If you say that there is dissent in Venezuela, I will also say that there is support for the government too.

Yes, Libya had dissent within. But who were they ?? The LIFG group, the Muslim Brotherhood, al-Qaeda etc. Watch this vid from 2011 about a Libyan woman voicing her opposition to Obomba and NATO's bombing campaign.

In the vid's page, the first comment is enlightening. Please note the enlarged section :

There was no uprising in Libya, not even any 'peaceful demonstrations' - just a criminal enterprise involving a few hundred armed gangsters paid for and backed by foreign countries. The Russian satellites proved that all the claims about Gaddafi attacking Tripoli was a complete fabrication. Even Pentagon officials knew that there was no truth to the stories and various US intelligence personnel are now coming out and admitting that Hilary Clinton and the others were just making it up. Most of the mainstream news coverage was fake; the BBC, for example, were caught showing footage of protests in Delhi, India, and pretending it was Libyan anti-Gaddafi protesters. It was all a lie. Clinton, Cameron, Sarkosy, all of them, NATO, need to be tried for War Crimes.

In 2011, there was a people's movement in India, particularly in Delhi. It was called " India Against Corruption". I have seen the BBC website using a picture from that Delhi demonstration and pretend that it was from an anti-Gaddafi protest in Libya.

The Libyan and the Syrian wars were where the mainstream media was used to a big extent in creating a demonizing perception of NATO's enemies.

 

[salarsikander]

Yes, Venezuela has dissent within. Venezuela is not s single-party system. The Venezuelan politician, Guaido, is being supported by CIA with "food" trucks from USA but which contained weapons.

But I will remind you of the Venezuelan revolutionary, Carlos, who in the 90s was kidnapped from Sudan by French commandos and is now in a French jail. If you say that there is dissent in Venezuela, I will also say that there is support for the government too.

Yes, Libya had dissent within. But who were they ?? The LIFG group, the Muslim Brotherhood, al-Qaeda etc. Watch this vid from 2011 about a Libyan woman voicing her opposition to Obomba and NATO's bombing campaign.

In the vid's page, the first comment is enlightening. Please note the enlarged section :

In 2011, there was a people's movement in India, particularly in Delhi. It was called " India Against Corruption". I have seen the BBC website using a picture from that Delhi demonstration and pretend that it was from an anti-Gaddafi protest in Libya.

The Libyan and the Syrian wars were where the mainstream media was used to a big extent in creating a demonizing perception of NATO's enemies.

The system failed, people rose. dragged gaddafi bodies in street, it was none other than Libyan who dod this, NATO took advantage of fault lines did what any other opportunist would do and left.

 

[jamahir]

The system failed, people rose. dragged gaddafi bodies in street, it was none other than Libyan who dod this, NATO took advantage of fault lines did what any other opportunist would do and left.

A few Pakistanis lynched Mashal Khan to death. Should we now assume that all Pakistanis share the beliefs of that lynch mob ??

Sorry but you have been brain-washed. Please realize where you are going wrong.

 

[salarsikander]

A few Pakistanis lynched Mashal Khan to death. Should we now assume that all Pakistanis share the beliefs of that lynch mob ??

Sorry but you have been brain-washed. Please realize where you are going wrong.

Says the one who is totally irrelevant to the entire forum. Please be known that MAshaaal Khan was not PM of Pakistan, Nor the people who lynched him were doing it bcoz they were upset of his Leadership that lasted for more than 30 years like Gdaffai, So as usual your examples are as dumb as you present the facts

 

[k s ahmed]

bahaha.. article written by an american, who got slap in the face by chavez.. sorry but they would make all sorts of shit against cuba.. i dont really communism but i am glad they stood up and saved their country else it would be like pakistan too...
been hearing quite a lot of shite here in europe too... i am good at ignoring.. i dont like numbers either... if pepople are happy, numbers dont matter.