Crusades | BBC

[Buddhistforlife]

And today that all is with Jews.

So what? Muslims have 56 muslim majority states however muslims wont tolerate one Jewish state(Israel) and one Hindu state(India).

 

[Sine Nomine]

So what? Muslims have 56 muslim majority states however muslims wont tolerate one Jewish state(Israel) and one Hindu state(India).

Who told you that kid?
Israel is built on a land which is grabbed from locals and is occupied.Peoples from all over the world are being settled there and local population has became refuge in own country.

 

[MBT 3000]

There was no massacre

Orthodox asked for help from Catholics and they refused, as a matter of fact Catholics wanted the Eastern Church gone and on their way to Holy Lands they burnt many Orthodox churches while worshipers were inside

in the last crusades like the crusade of nicopolis, orthodox and muslims were massacred by latin catholic crusaders. same with jerusalem.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Northern Crusades is always overlooked. Didnt Sweden also declare a crusade against Novgorod too??

No, Novgorod and Sweden was fighting for control over the area.
Tavasteland, a region in the area sought the protection of Sweden against Novgorod.
Some Tavaste citizens reverted to paganism, but were forced back into the one true faith.
When the army of Novgorod invaded Tavastelan 1292, Sweden responded the following year
With a successful campaign in Karelia. The important fortress of Viborg was built. Novgorod responded by overrunning a few other fortresses, but the locals revolted and handed the fortresses back to Sweden. A peace agreement was signed 1323, defining for the first time the border. A little later, Moscow annexed Novgorod.
I do not think they were crusades in the normal meaning.

 

[Path-Finder]

I always feel that Saladin gets faaaar too much credit and Baybars gets next to none.

 

[Nein]

No, Novgorod and Sweden was fighting for control over the area.
Tavasteland, a region in the area sought the protection of Sweden against Novgorod.
Some Tavaste citizens reverted to paganism, but were forced back into the one true faith.
When the army of Novgorod invaded Tavastelan 1292, Sweden responded the following year
With a successful campaign in Karelia. The important fortress of Viborg was built. Novgorod responded by overrunning a few other fortresses, but the locals revolted and handed the fortresses back to Sweden. A peace agreement was signed 1323, defining for the first time the border. A little later, Moscow annexed Novgorod.
I do not think they were crusades in the normal meaning.

Crusades or even a Jihad dont really need approval from a religious leader like the Pope or the Caliphate.

Hence why you had various sultans and kings doing their own Jihad or Crusade without approvals.

What this showcased the independance of various rulers.

 

[TMA]

funny that some call it defensive response to "muslim invasion" when constantinople was sacked by them and many orthodox massacred

Shh! Don't say this. You will spoil their pure narrative(.)

So what? Muslims have 56 muslim majority states however muslims wont tolerate one Jewish state(Israel) and one Hindu state(India).

Nepal is also a Dharmic state and I think Bhutan is as well.
Besides many Muslim states are on good terms with Bharat.

Israel is an imposter...seeking to become the Holy Israel of David and Solomon (peace be upon them)...

 

[vostok]

No, Novgorod and Sweden was fighting for control over the area.

Most of time - they did. It was normal Medieval wars. But in 1348-1349 king Magnus IV of Sweden really tried to turn Russians and Karelians to Catholicism with the help of a sword.
Russian principalities mostly suffered from Teutonic crusaders. But the Teutons failed.
From Wiki:
Later skirmishes were more sporadic. Sweden's attempts to control the Gulf of Bothnia provoked Novgorod to start construction of a castle near the Oulu River delta in the 1370s. Sweden replied by establishing their own castle nearby. Novgorod assaulted it in 1377, but was unable to take it. In the following year, Pope Gregory XI intervened and issued a crusade bull against Novgorod.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish–Novgorodian_Wars
I am not trying to say the Orthodox Russians were saint and the Catholic Swedish were villans. They were both normal Medieval feodal states. I am against those Pope bullas against Eastern Christians.

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

I always feel that Saladin gets faaaar too much credit and Baybars gets next to none.

Salamu Alaykum

Fun fact, it was actually the reverse for most of history. Only in recent history has Saladdin usurped Baibars's place as the anti-Crusader hero.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Crusades or even a Jihad dont really need approval from a religious leader like the Pope or the Caliphate.

Hence why you had various sultans and kings doing their own Jihad or Crusade without approvals.

What this showcased the independance of various rulers.

To be a Crusade, it must have the advancement of the faith as the main motivation.
If a war is fought only for riches or for land, it is hardly a Crusade, even if a leader claims it is.

 

[Nein]

To be a Crusade, it must have the advancement of the faith as the main motivation.
If a war is fought only for riches or for land, it is hardly a Crusade, even if a leader claims it is.

Same with Jihad to be honest. Motivation is about defending faith and Muslims. But if its for land, money, looting or even taking women. It is nullified the problem is a lot of leaders did this to cloak their real aims.