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CRPF man killed in Liberia attack

May the soldier Rest In Peace and may the injured one recover soon.

Soldiers sent on UN missions should know the purpose of their deployment and should be motivated for that.

Incidents like this are against the ideology of the United Nations.But we all should remember this is a one off incident.IA & PA are fighting together in Congo.

So lets pray it never happens again and my condolences to the family of the dead.
 
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I do not know why you are trolling here and that too with such uninformed remarks. Mujahideen was created by USA and Pakistan together. Al Qaeda never had any relations with ISI, Bin Laden was brought in by CIA for funding the Mujahideen. Pakistan never created terrorist groups, what did happen is the Mujahideen groups aligned themselves with local political parties for mutual benefit. This is the case for every country in the world.

The only thing Pakistan had a hand in was the creation of the Taliban, that too with the help of USA.



Secondly no Indian was shot by Pakistani soldier, a mentally unstable soldier opened fired in a separate incident and absconded. Pakistan is one of the largest contributors to UN peach keeping mission worldwide and has been for a long time.

United Nations peacekeeping missions involving Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for your pathetic statements that I deleted. Read this and then learn something, it might change your biased mindset.

Pakistan army sure it has upper hand in tribal areas | The Australian

A small victory for Pakistan in a war that is far from over - The Irish Times - Fri, Jun 18, 2010

Pakistan's War on Terror, Road to Victory | GroundReport

Even retired US officials agreed that Pakistan is the only country to achieve success against the militants.

As for Taliban sympathizers, such did exist but have been purged since the days of Musharraf. Back your points with references, if you cannot do so, do no post.

Okay, okay, it was a joint op between us and pak in creating these terrorist groups, does that make it Okay, just because US was involved doesn't mean that these actions were justified. You have completly MISSED THE POINT it doesn't matter if PAK had a 5% share or 95% share in creating them, either way they are your fault in some way or another you cannot keep passing the buck, until you and every other PAK accept you have had a hand to play in the problems you now face instead of blaming every tom dick and harry you will remain in this rut whilst your neighbour gets richer and richer.

And by the way you may dismiss my comments on this site but we ALL know (PAK, BRIT, IND, US....) that this is a widely held belief accepted by most.
 
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Another thing that I want to warn people about here is bringing in unnecessary news to malign one country, we both have bad seeds in our armies and there are numerous news articles outlining such incidents for both countries.

Refrain from any bringing in any such news.
 
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Okay, okay, it was a joint op between us and pak in creating these terrorist groups, does that make it Okay, just because US was involved doesn't mean that these actions were justified. You have completly MISSED THE POINT it doesn't matter if PAK had a 5% share or 95% share in creating them, either way they are your fault in some way or another you cannot keep passing the buck, until you and every other PAK accept you have had a hand to play in the problems you now face instead of blaming every tom dick and harry you will remain in this rut whilst your neighbour gets richer and richer.

And by the way you may dismiss my comments on this site but we ALL know (PAK, BRIT, IND, US....) that this is a widely held belief accepted by most.

I have no idea what your argument is, we are fighting a war and are the only ones who have actually gained territory from the militant groups. We do admit our mistake, just like USA does, that is why we are engaged in a battle with the terrorist groups.

The rut you are talking about is better than our neighbors for your kind information. Our economy was doing exceptionally well until the war spilled over into our country. I guess your biased and clearly uninformed point of view limits your understanding of the situation.

If you all know what you proclaim to be the reality, why do you not take military action. Like you said, we are an 'unprofessional force and one 'who could not deal with the Taliban'. Why then do all these countries not align and deal with us in the best way possible. The reason for this is all countries have their equal share of skeletons and they are equally as guilty. May I inform you that Britain too supported Extremists for it own gain.

June 1996-February 1997: British Intelligence Recruits Prominent Al-Qaeda Imam Abu Qatada

In June and December 1996, and again in February 1997, a British MI5 agent meets with radical Muslim imam Abu Qatada, hoping he will inform on his fellow extremists. Qatada is a Jordanian national who entered Britain in September 1993 using a forged United Arab Emirates passport, and was granted asylum in 1994.

Qatada Promises to Look after British Interests - In his meetings with the MI5 agent he claims to “wield powerful, spiritual influence over the Algerian community in London.” He says he does not want London to become a center for settling Islamic scores, and that he will report anyone damaging British interests. He says the individuals he has influence over pose no threat to British security, and promises that “he would not bite the hand that fed him.” He also promises to “report anyone damaging the interests of [Britain].” The MI5 agent records that “surprisingly enough—[Abu Qatada] revealed little love of the methodology and policies pursued by Osama bin Laden. He certainly left me with the impression that he had nothing but contempt for bin Laden’s distant financing of the jihad.” [SPECIAL IMMIGRATION APPEALS COMMISSION, 1/2004 ; CHANNEL 4 NEWS (LONDON), 3/23/2004; GUARDIAN, 3/24/2004; LONDON TIMES, 3/25/2004]
Links to Al-Qaeda - Yet Qatada is later described as being a “key [British] figure” in al-Qaeda related terror activity. Around 1996, a highly reliable informer told US intelligence that Qatada is on al-Qaeda’s fatwa (religious) committee (see June 1996-1997). Videos of his sermons are later discovered in the Hamburg flat used by Mohamed Atta. Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, and Zacarias Moussaoui, who is later convicted in connection with the 9/11 attacks, are alleged to have sought religious advice from him. [BBC, 8/11/2005; GUARDIAN, 8/11/2005]

Meetings Apparently Continue - Reportedly, after Qatada’s February 1997 meeting with the British agent, no further such meetings occur. [SPECIAL IMMIGRATION APPEALS COMMISSION, 1/2004 ] However, some French officials later allege that Qatada continues to be an MI5 agent, and this is what allows him to avoid arrest after 9/11 (see Early December 2001). [OBSERVER, 2/24/2002] It will later emerge that Bisher al-Rawi, a friend of Qatada, served as an informant and a go-between MI5 and Qatada in numerous meetings between late 2001 and 2002, when Qatada is finally arrested (see Late September 2001-Summer 2002). Furthermore, al-Rawi says he served as a translator between MI5 and Qatada before 9/11, suggesting that Qatada never stopped being an informant. [OBSERVER, 7/29/2007]

Early 1997: Leading Radical Imam Abu Hamza Begins Working with British Security Services

London-based imam Abu Hamza al-Masri starts working with two branches of the British security services, the police’s Special Branch and MI5, the domestic counterintelligence service. The relationships continue for several years and there are at least seven meetings between Abu Hamza and MI5 between 1997 and 2000 (see October 1, 1997, November 20, 1997, and September 1998). Based on records of the meetings, authors Daniel O’Neill and Sean McGrory will describe the relationship as “respectful, polite, and often cooperative.”
Rhetoric - One theme in the meetings, which take place at Abu Hamza’s home and a mosque he runs in Finsbury Park, is that the security services tell Abu Hamza that they do not want any trouble and ask him to tone down some of his more inflammatory comments. Abu Hamza listens politely, but always replies he is committed to jihad. However, over this period Abu Hamza’s rhetoric changes subtly, and he begins attacking “Zionists,” rather than simply “Jews.” Abu Hamza will later say that he asks security officers if his sermons are inappropriate, and they reply, “No, freedom of speech, you don’t have to worry unless we see blood on the streets.”

Information - Abu Hamza provides the security services with information about the ideology of various extremist factions, as well as “tidbits” of information about others, although in one case he provides specific intelligence that leads to the detention of two terrorist suspects. He also likes to “tell tales” about one of his rival preachers, Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed, and his Al-Muhajiroun organization.

Favors - Sometimes Abu Hamza asks for favors from his handlers. For example, on one occasion he requests the release of some associates after promising that they are not a threat in Britain.
Beyond the Reach of British Law - Abu Hamza will tell his aides that he is “beyond the reach of British law,” and will neglect to pay the mosque’s electricity and water bills. Authors Sean O’Neill and Daniel McGrory will later comment: “Increasingly, Abu Hamza acted as if Finsbury Park had divorced itself from Britain and was operating as an independent Muslim state. He contacted extremist groups, offering his services as an ambassador for them in [Britain] and presenting the mosque as a place of guaranteed asylum.” [O'NEILL AND MCGRORY, 2006, PP. 96-97, 143-5]
 
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now if you go through my post once again probably u will understand what i meant.. who said all of the PA is like that? there are definitely some bad apples in the force and it's not unusual for the situation pakistan is now in and hence my observation the sooner these bad apples are eliminated the better for the force and the country..but if u tell me that there are no such elements in the PA then i should say that ur world is far from the reality..

i will not go into details just this late ATS Chief Hemant Karkare was investigating which serving indian army officer?
And for what?

Bad Apples.. Bad Fish

They are not only present in Pakistan Army but in Indian Army aswell.
All you have to do is open your eyes.
Cheers
 
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i will not go into details just this late ATS Chief Hemant Karkare was investigating which serving indian army officer?
And for what?

Bad Apples.. Bad Fish

They are not only present in Pakistan Army but in Indian Army aswell.
All you have to do is open your eyes.
Cheers

why do you guys always try to either bask in conspiracy theories or try to justify ur ailments by drawing sadistic pleasure of trying to see the same things in ur adversary? so by ur logic it would be ok to u to have these kind of retards in PA if IA has them too? what kind of wierd logic is this? and did I ever proclaimed to u that there are no bad apples, "bad fish" or what ever in the IA?

regarding Hemant Karkare..this is not the right thread to discuss that and ..if you have any substantial proof regarding his death which supports ur consipiracy theory then open a thread and we can talk..until then it's just a Zaid Hamid and Ahmed Qureshi kinda B.S
 
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Hope this time my reply dont get labelled as Unneccessary and get deleted.

By shouting Allah Hu Akber it doesnt mean he was influenced by the Religion. Its just the Norm, Pak Army usually shouts Allah Hu Akber when attacking an enemy.
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ok thats ur point of view ...I being a "non-believer" have a different point of view.. but lets leave this thing here.. i dont want to derail the thread with this discussion


Maybe it was a slip of his tongue.

T-faz happy now? no religion in my post.

:woot::woot:
 
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why do you guys always try to either bask in conspiracy theories or try to justify ur ailments by drawing sadistic pleasure of trying to see the same things in ur adversary? so by ur logic it would be ok to u to have these kind of retards in PA if IA has them too? what kind of wierd logic is this? and did I ever proclaimed to u that there are no bad apples, "bad fish" or what ever in the IA?

regarding Hemant Karkare..this is not the right thread to discuss that and ..if you have any substantial proof regarding his death which supports ur consipiracy theory then open a thread and we can talk..until then it's just a Zaid Hamid and Ahmed Qureshi kinda B.S

When you brought the religious angle on the liberia attack.
I didnt replied in that tone you have just used. Manners you'll never learn them.

The only reason we do that is to show you the mirror, you guys are not angel who are perfect and every thing to you about Pakistan is bad. So when you started to lecture us about sm thing look at your self first.

Hermant Karkare.. i never objected on the resoning of his death.. so all your last para is full of misinterpreted BS.

i only brought Hermant Karkare to give you an idea of whome i am gona point at to show extremism/terrorism element in your Army.
Lt Col Purohit .. does that ring any bell????????
 
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When you brought the religious angle on the liberia attack.
I didnt replied in that tone you have just used. Manners you'll never learn them.

The only reason we do that is to show you the mirror, you guys are not angel who are perfect and every thing to you about Pakistan is bad. So when you started to lecture us about sm thing look at your self first.

Hermant Karkare.. i never objected on the resoning of his death.. so all your last para is full of misinterpreted BS.

i only brought Hermant Karkare to give you an idea of whome i am gona point at to show extremism/terrorism element in your Army.
Lt Col Purohit .. does that ring any bell????????

i dont know what kind of tone u found in my previous post ..but thats upto ur perception and i choose to disagree just like ur explanation on the religious angle and i rest my case on that note..

and ur remaining post only reiterates what i said previously..
 
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i dont know what kind of tone u found in my previous post ..but thats upto ur perception and i choose to disagree just like ur explanation on the religious angle and i rest my case on that note..

and ur remaining post only reiterates what i said previously..

I totally agree my remaining post only reiterates what you have said previously... and thats the Point.

Peace
 
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okay you deleted my post that's FINE, (maybe a little too close for comfort, but enough said) can we atleast agree on what every Pakistani user seems to be purposfully overlooking, PAKISTAN was the one who created these TERRORISTS in the first place

We weren't alone, U.S, U.K, Israel, Egypt, KSA and many other counties also contributed to sustain the "Mujahideen" to counter the communists expansion. It wasn't only us.

and that is a FACT so don't say it's some "school boy fantasy" I'd say deleting me is pretty close too that. Additionally the PAK Army and ISI are riddled with Taliban supporters and extrmists so no wonder this happened.

Had you said that in 1999, I would have believed you but when Pakistan declared war against the Taliban there was, what we call, the "Great Purge", ISI, Civil service and PA were purified of men, regardless of rank or stature who had EVER expressed any level of support for extremists or their ideologies.
 
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