Creation of Bangladesh: Myths Exploded by Dr. Junaid Ahmad

[Bilal9]

Guys don't enable trolls.

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[EAK]

At the End of the day Our enemy is the follower of Chanakiya .. So Propaganda is in their blood..Immense respect for those who stand against it..Kudos.

 

[riasat]

Problem is, AL has monopolized the narrative of liberation war for their political benefit.By projecting itself the sole flag bearer of values based on the spirit of liberation war and what it means to be a Bangladeshi that anyone who question that narrative is automatically branded as a pakistan sympathizer.Any genuine fact finding mission is required political accountability of accepting truth which may require to demolish some of the narrative they have built and propagating for the last 45 years.Another thing is, an acceptable narrative on 71 for all side of the divide require participation of all party in conflict in that given time,most importantly Pakistan much like West German co operation in Nuremberg trial.But relation with Pakistan is so bad with AL that I don't think it will be ever possible.Pakistan will also not participate in any investigation where their armed force will be painted in a very bad light and possibility of trial.So,unfortunately things will continue as they are.

So Mr Doyalbaba, you can always question any narrative, however if you think there wasnt any atrocities committed by The Pak army during 71 than you must have dropped from a parallel universe. Also if your narrative is that Jamaatis are not war criminals and Islami chatro shongho were not the same people belonging to al badr and al shams than you are only making a fool of yourself.
Thirdly, I would love if BNP or any party fights for Bangladesh with the values and spirit of liberation. But how do you do that with Jamaat? Fact of the matter is you dont..

 

[Homo Sapiens]

So Mr Doyalbaba, you can always question any narrative, however if you think there wasnt any atrocities committed by The Pak army during 71 than you must have dropped from a parallel universe. Also if your narrative is that Jamaatis are not war criminals and Islami chatro shongho were not the same people belonging to al badr and al shams than you are only making a fool of yourself.
Thirdly, I would love if BNP or any party fights for Bangladesh with the values and spirit of liberation. But how do you do that with Jamaat? Fact of the matter is you dont..

You should read my other posts before judging me.There is no doubt pakistani army and rajakar,albadar committed genocide.My only doubt is about 3 million figure,I am not dismissing it entirely,but we need proper investigation to claim it authentic.There was no fact finding commission in the last 45 years about measuring the scale of atrocity.3 million is a high figure,even a lot of Indian and Bangladeshi poster doubt it in this forum.If we want to make it believe by the rest of world then we need more than just claiming.If there is no proper inquiry than anyone can claim anything and get away with it just like pakistani claim of just 26000 casualty.My idea is they have killed at least 10 lakhs which is consistent with time magazine estimate..It is still a massive genocide but much more believable by the outside world. I am ready to accept 3 million figure but before that we need investigation.

 

[Kandari-Hushiyaar]

You should read my other posts before judging me.There is no doubt pakistani army and rajakar,albadar committed genocide.My only doubt is about 3 million figure,I am not dismissing it entirely,but we need proper investigation to claim it authentic.There was no fact finding commission in the last 45 years about measuring the scale of atrocity.3 million is a high figure,even a lot of Indian and Bangladeshi poster doubt it in this forum.If we want to make it believe by the rest of world then we need more than just claiming.If there is no proper inquiry than anyone can claim anything and get away with it just like pakistani claim of just 26000 casualty.My idea is they have killed at least 5 to 10 lakhs which is consistent with time magazine estimate..It is still a massive genocide but much more believable by the outside world. I am ready to accept 3 million figure but before that we need investigation.Read my this post.
Creation of Bangladesh: Myths Exploded by Dr. Junaid Ahmad

Give It time. Decades later in Bangladesh, We will value scholarship more than passion or ultra nationalism. I am sure there will be extensive fact finding research on neutral ground. 3 lakh or 3 million doesn't matter. Even 1 lakh countrymen killed by its own Military will be an exemplar of perpetual shame.

 

[asad71]

Give It time. Decades later in Bangladesh, We will value scholarship more than passion or ultra nationalism. I am sure there will be extensive fact finding research on neutral ground. 3 lakh or 3 million doesn't matter. Even 1 lakh countrymen killed by its own Military will be an exemplar of perpetual shame.

@Doyalbaba

Actually GOB has the list of killed and wounded - Bengalis, Biharis, combatants and non-combatants. Civil admin in occupied BD had functioned till the end. The Police were almost totally pro- Pak providing local info and guides. Same with civil officials. Except those drawn in because of posting in bordering areas, almost all served GOP loyally. GOB has been providing pension and medicare to the casualties from inception. So, yes, we need to wait till passion/emotions cool down.

 

[riasat]

You should read my other posts before judging me.There is no doubt pakistani army and rajakar,albadar committed genocide.My only doubt is about 3 million figure,I am not dismissing it entirely,but we need proper investigation to claim it authentic.There was no fact finding commission in the last 45 years about measuring the scale of atrocity.3 million is a high figure,even a lot of Indian and Bangladeshi poster doubt it in this forum.If we want to make it believe by the rest of world then we need more than just claiming.If there is no proper inquiry than anyone can claim anything and get away with it just like pakistani claim of just 26000 casualty.My idea is they have killed at least 10 lakhs which is consistent with time magazine estimate..It is still a massive genocide but much more believable by the outside world. I am ready to accept 3 million figure but before that we need investigation.

The fact of the matter is that we would never know the real number.
Also we do not have to force anyone to believe anything. We know atrocities were committed in unprecedented scale. That should be enough.
As Bob Dylan stated "How many deaths will it take till he knows that too many people have died".

Peace brother

 

[Al-zakir]

There were not many death in Sylhet division. May be few here and there. No evidence of mass killings in Sylhet.

I do not know anyone was killed in our area during 71. So Pak fauz was pro sylhet.

 

[Tameem]

Give It time. Decades later in Bangladesh, We will value scholarship more than passion or ultra nationalism. I am sure there will be extensive fact finding research on neutral ground. 3 lakh or 3 million doesn't matter. Even 1 lakh countrymen killed by its own Military will be an exemplar of perpetual shame.

You are Right! Even a mere one person cold blooded killing from an Army due to his race or language should be considers shameful, then why this stubbornness and forceful attitude from AL/SHW on insisting to recognize 3 Million killings otherwise you are against the state? this is quite un-understandable logically.

Let's say if an independent inquiry occurs under UN which declares that the actual figure of deaths are near Half a million or even one million, does it makes any difference? Does it qualify for Pakistan to be united again as death figures turns out wrong? Does it means people of Bangladesh would might revolt as AL/SHW telling them a wrong figure for 45 years? I don't thinks so remotely..So why this stubbornness on figures?

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

There were not many death in Sylhet division. May be few here and there. No evidence of mass killings in Sylhet.

I do not anyone was killed in our area during 71. So Pak fauz was pro sylhet.

Bhai, we have a boddho vhumi in srimangal.

 

[Al-zakir]

Bhai, we have a boddho vhumi in srimangal.

Hasa ni, apnar khandaner kew mara ghesoyin ni?

 

[riasat]

There were not many death in Sylhet division. May be few here and there. No evidence of mass killings in Sylhet.

I do not know anyone was killed in our area during 71. So Pak fauz was pro sylhet.

Leaving aside the fact that your information is false, I want to ask you how much is many for a Nizami supporter like yourself? Since you said "Not Many"....

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

Hasa ni, apnar khandaner kew mara ghesoyin ni?

na amar gustit to kew morsoin na 71 o. ebay je boddho bhumi ase ota khoilam ar ki. ami hidinkur fua otota janmu ni...

 

[schoolboy]

I've read a couple of chapters of this book some weeks ago. It's effectively a modern day version of holocaust-denier David Irving's Auschwitz The End of the Line: The Leuchter Report - albeit with poor English and bad typesetting. Both would grace the interior of any dustbin.

 

[Al-zakir]

na amar gustit to kew morsoin na 71 o. ebay je boddho bhumi ase ota khoilam ar ki. ami hidinkur fua otota janmu ni...

Jalalabad Sylheto mass grave nai. Mushrikeen re halak karce 71 o.