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ISLAMABAD, Aug 19 (Reuters): Leaders of Pakistan's coalition government were deadlocked over the judiciary on Tuesday, a day after President Pervez Musharraf resigned. Coalition leaders, who campaigned against Musharraf, met for several hours to set about tackling pressing economic and security problems and discuss a new president but got bogged down over the fate of judges Musharraf purged last year. Former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, who heads PML-N, the second biggest party in the coalition, is insisting the judges be restored to office. But the PPP, the party leading the coalition, has wavered, partly because the deposed chief justice might take up challenges to an amnesty from graft charges granted party leaders last year, analysts say. The leaders of ANP and JUI-F, two small parties in the four-party alliance played down the failure to reach agreement and said they had been given three days to resolve the problem between the big parties. “We have been assigned to reach a consensus on the situation within the next 72 hours and play our role in finding a final solution,” Fazal-ur-Rehman, leader of JUI-F, told reporters. He declined to elaborate on the disagreement. Analysts have said opposition to Musharraf bonded the old rivals and his departure could see them drift apart. (First Posted @ 10:10 PST Updated @ 20:14 PST)
- DAWN - Latest Stories; August 19, 2008
 
Judges ki bahali ka faisla aj ho jaye ga: PML-N

Aj judges ki bahali ka din ha: PML-N

:lol:
 
Analysts have said opposition to Musharraf bonded the old rivals and his departure could see them drift apart. (First Posted @ 10:10 PST Updated @ 20:14 PST)
- DAWN - Latest Stories; August 19, 2008



:) I had been saying this on the forum for too long that what if Musharraf was removed what would be the status of these thugs who had joined hands just becasue of Musharraf.

Musharraf was basis for their coalition and now he has gone so wait and see i bet they can not walk togather.

The ideology of both parties is different
 
The fractures were always there between PPP and PML N and now they can be exposed in full.
 
Probably not a bad idea of Musharraf to quit. Could cause the coalition to collapse, new elections. Surely Pakistan would not vote in PPP/PML-N for the third time when they've already managed to destroy the economy twice. Would they?
 
Aap ke muh mai ghee shakar, kash aisa hi ho!
Can Musharraf stand another election if he's allowed to stay in the country?
Would he be willing to do that?

I think PML-Q would still support him.
 

Islamabad, Aug 20 : Signs of the four-party coalition government in Islamabad falling apart were witnessed last evening when PPP Co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari expressed his unwillingness to restore the deposed Supreme Court chief justice Ifthikhar Chaudhary and proposed the “Minus One” formula, which means restoration of all judges except the sacked CJ.

After the meeting failed to evolve a consensus over the issue, PML-N Nawaz Sharif walked out in a huff and declared that he would move out of the government if the PPP didn’t restore all judges, including Ifthikhar Chaudhary, within 72 hours.

“PPP Co-chairman Asif Zardari insisted on the minus-one formula – which is, restoration of all sacked judges except Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry,” an insider said, adding that representatives of FATA legislators also attended the meeting held at Zardari House.

Information Minister Sherry Rehman said that the Awami National Party (ANP) and the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) sought three days for consultations with constitutional experts and for discussion within their own parties, reported the Daily Times.

A source said the deadlock on the issue of judges continued as the PPP and the PML-N stuck to their positions. “The PPP wanted the reinstatement of judges minus-one through a constitutional package but the PML-N insisted that they should be all restored through an executive order within three days as agreed already,” the paper quoted him as saying.

According to the PML-N, Zardari and PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif had agreed to impeach Pervez Musharraf and then restore the judiciary within three days of his removal. But, PPP sources said there was no agreement on the specifics. But another insider said the ANP and JUI-F made it clear to the two major coalition partners that they were not party to the Murree Declaration and it was not binding on them to adhere to it. “The ANP and the JUI-F tacitly endorsed the PPP point of view,” he said.

Another source privy to the meeting said that Zardari told participants of the meeting that Iftikhar Chaudhry had become political and controversial. But, the PML-N chief reacted sharply to his stance and made it clear that it would not be acceptable to his party. Nawaz also believed the proposed constitutional package would indemnify Musharraf’s “unconstitutional steps and was therefore opposed to it”. (ANI)
 

Islamabad, Aug. 20 : The Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz, which is led by former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, fears that Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) Co-Chairman Asif Ali Zardari will renege on his promise to restore the over 40 judges sacked by then President General Pervez Musharraf.

A senior PML-N member, speaking on condition of anonymity, was quoted by the Chicago Tribune, as saying that he was concerned that Zardari would not honor a deal to restore the judges.

"Yes, we are worried. We hope he does not back out of his promises," he said.

Another senior party official, who also spoke on condition of anonymity, blamed the Pakistan People''s Party for failing to honor its promise.

According to the paper, the dispute between the coalition partners suggest that Musharraf was not the only sore point pushing them to arrive at new political dispensation in Pakistan, but there are other issues bedeviling the relationship.

This, it says, does not bode well for the future of the coalition, which also must hash out who the next president will be and whether Musharraf will face criminal charges for his nine years in office.

The coalition had earlier agreed to restore the judges within 24 hours of Musharraf resigning or being impeached. But as of Tuesday night, any decision was not likely until Friday or even later. The coalition did not start debating who would be the country''s next president or whether Musharraf would face criminal charges, sources said.

The paper quoted Information Minister Sherry Rehman, a senior PPP member, as saying that her party did not want the extra 72 hours but granted the time to its junior partners.

"They have played a very critical role in this impeachment process," Rehman said.

Now that Musharraf has gone, it remains to be seen if the coalition can tackle the country''s serious crises—rising militancy on its border with Afghanistan, rising food prices and an electricity shortage.

If Sharif''s party opts to sit in the opposition, then Zardari could face a hung Parliament and difficulty in passing any legislation.

This could hurt the fight against militants and the U. S.-led war on terror, if the country has no clear leadership, concludes the paper. (ANI)
 
I had been saying this on the forum for too long that what if Musharraf was removed what would be the status of these thugs who had joined hands just becasue of Musharraf.

Musharraf was basis for their coalition and now he has gone so wait and see i bet they can not walk togather.

The ideology of both parties is different


That's true. No match in ideology. One talk about Islamisation/Islamic Ideology in pure form while the other believes that Islams reshaping according tot he principals of socialism would be a better choice.

Similarly, Ye dono wo ha(n) jinho(n) ne aik dusre ko thane bund ker k litrol ki thi. Kaise bhool sakte ha bhala.:guns:
 
No doubt the presence of Busharraf was the cement holding the civilian government together . . . with his departure, this house may start to fall down. Keep watching . . . things are getting interesting!!
 
Pakistan People's Party activists hurl eggs at Attorney General
Thursday, 21 August 2008 00:00 daily.pk
In an ugly incident in the history of Sindh High Court (SHC), at least three persons hurled rotten eggs and tomatoes on Attorney General (AG) for Pakistan, Ch Muhammad Farooq, when he came out of court on Tuesday.

According to eye-witnesses including Ch Nazeer Muhammed, Vice President Lahore High Court Bar Association, when the AG came out after arguing in a petition filed by Benazir Bhutto, Naheed Khan, political secretary of Benazir, allegedly identified Farooq, upon which three persons carrying eggs and tomatoes in plastic bags hit him. One of them also slapped the AG while other advocates tried to rescue him. Benazir has challenged the correspondence exchanged by the AG and Senator Saif-ur-Rahman with British and Swiss authorities and has sought injunction against any further correspondence by the AG and Senator Saif-ur-Rahman.

The Deputy Attorney General (DAG) for Pakistan, Barrister Naeem-ur-Rahman when complained about the incident to K.M. Nadeem, a former Additional Advocate General Sindh, he said that the PML workers had been involved in similar incidents in recent past. “Did two wrongs make a right,” asked Naeem-ur-Rahman, Nazeer Muhammad who is also President of PML Lawyers Forum, Punjab, in his comments warned that lawyers will not allow her to appear before any court of law if such incidents occurred.

He said that contempt of court notice should be issued against Naheed Khan. Her presence was not required as no case against her was being heard, he said demanding ban on her coming to SHC along with Benazir.
 
Cracks in Pakistan coalition day after Musharraf quits

Infect, those cracks were there from the very firt day of this ITAHAD.

But, both were in deep trouble.

Musharraf must be thinking that he had the biggest mistake by allowing both to come Pakistan. To him, the second biggest mistake would be to allow FREE PROTEST from the lawyers. So he would be thinking that he would have handled them with iron hands from the very first day.

Nawaz Sharif had three problems when he was out. Coming to Pakistan and geting rid of Musharraf. Then he got third thing against him, Judiciary issue.

Judiciary issue had lost its importance in the eyes of Nawaz Sharif. Since he got other two objectives.

Now, he will use this issue as an EXCUSE to SEPERATE from PPP, so that he can get rid of PPP.

Aitazaz is secularists minded person. He is undeclared foriegn agent. Because, secularists, liberalists and human rights activists, all operating on foriegn funds and protecting the interests of their donors. Such elements do not like STABILITY in the country. As stable society always and succesfully resist against UNKNOWN IDEOLOGIES, like secularism and liberalism in Pakistan.

Last thing which Musharraf did would be a disaster to this country. Pray that his resignation attempt put no harm to this country.
 
Khwaja Asif for quitting ruling alliance with dignity
Updated at: 0530 PST, Saturday, August 23, 2008

ISLAMABAD: PML-N Senior Leader Khwaja Muhammad Asif said he was convinced that no progress would be made on the restoration of the deposed judges, adding it was better for his party to part ways with its coalition partner amicably.

Talking to Geo News in “Aaj Kamran Khan Kay Sath’ Asif recalled all efforts of his party during the last four to five months on the issue but expressed his dismay that no onward move was made on the judges' restoration.

He said the PML-N would show flexibility in its stance if two per cent chance of the judges' restoration existed. He said it had been a consistent stand of his party that the judges should be restored to the November 2, 2007 position but the PPP had never shown any flexibility on the issue and failed to budge even an inch from its stance.

The PML-N leader said the facts were that the PPP would not restore the judges and, therefore, it was better for his party to part ways with its coalition partner amicably sooner than later.

To a question by host Kamran Khan, Khawaja Muhammad Asif said though the PPP chose Asif Ali Zardari for election as the president but never felt it necessary to even consult its major coalition partner, the PML-N. He said under the accords signed between the two parties, the PPP was bound to consult the PML-N.

About next president, he said it would have been better had the PPP consulted the PML-N on the issue in accordance with the agreements, which had clearly spelt out the election of the president.

He said if continuation of the coalition was impossible, then the PML-N would tell the nation how promises were made and how these were broken.
 
Nation on tenterhooks again by Zardari-led PPP

Legal eye

Saturday, August 23, 2008
Babar Sattar
The writer is a lawyer based in Islamabad. He is a Rhodes scholar and has an LL.M from Harvard Law School

The Zardari-led PPP seems to have missed another window of opportunity. Asif Zardari could have bolstered the approval ratings of his party and erased widespread public misgivings due to the PPP's flip-flops over the judges' issue by announcing the immediate restoration of the Nov 2 judiciary and embracing Aitzaz Ahsan on Aug 18. Over the years the PPP has lost much of its appeal in urban Punjab. The same constituency is also the most vociferous proponent of restoration, and thus the PPP's popularity has been in a nosedive since the failure of the Murree Declaration. By immediately restoring the judiciary led by Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry upon Musharraf's ouster, Mr Zardari would have established that differences with the PML-N over restoration were genuinely linked to modalities and not to find wriggle room to implement the iniquitous minus-one formula.

And embracing Aitzaz Ahsan could have won back the support of the urban middle classes for the PPP, who, despite sharing the ideological bent of the PPP, are disenchanted with the party's dubious commitment to rule of law. No such luck, though. The policy of the Zardari-led PPP on the restoration issue is as equivocal today as it was ever before. Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gillani continues to harp on the mantra of restoring all deposed judges immediately. Khurshid Shah announced on Thursday night that a debate over restoration of the judges will be initiated in the Parliament soon and a decision will be taken accordingly – another tactic to delay restoration, the merits of which have been debated to the hilt by all segments of the society. And other purblind parrots forming the second-tier PPP leadership (and there is no dearth in this category), such as the clueless Fauzia Wahab, are issuing appeals to Chief Justice Chaudhry to resign "in the larger interest of the public"!

Let us recall the primary contribution of the rule-of-law movement that caught the imagination of Pakistanis and garnered widespread public support: educating ordinary people about their right to a fair judicial system and be ruled under law and rousing them to seek what is their due. The popular street movement of the last 17 months and the progressive role of the media in proliferating the awakening together with the frustration of the cherished goals of the movement have left the people of Pakistan informed, aware, and angry. The awareness now provoked will be hard to quell, and the anger will subside only if the movement is channelled in the right direction.

Hundreds of thousand of citizens from all backgrounds and classes rallied behind the leaders of the lawyers' movement to converge in Islamabad and push for the immediate restoration of the judges. But when the immediate objective wasn't realised, the voices of the more radical elements within the rule-of-law movement, otherwise on the fringe, began to dominate the discourse. Many cast aspersions on the commitment of the leaders of the lawyer's movement to the cause of restoration when they called off the peaceful march without a "dharna," notwithstanding that these individual had articulated the necessity of an independent judiciary in the first place. This movement is no longer about Iftikhar Chaudhry or Aitzaz Ahsan, Munir Malik, Tariq Mehmood and Ali Kurd. These individuals are merely the symbols or flag-bearers of an idea whose time has come. The massive wave stirred up by the rule-of-law movement has acquired a life of its own and will not die down even if its flag-bearers recede into oblivion. That will be a tragedy, though, as the rule-of-law movement has had ubiquitous influence and appeal for being led by middle-class professionals of conviction, unimpeachable integrity and pronounced liberal ideals. If the rule-of-law movement fails or its leaders lose their ascendancy, the initiative for change will certainly fall into more radical hands who might not desist from employing more revolutionary and extreme ideas that might not bode well for the future of constitutionalism and rule of law in our country, as well as of the ability of the state to restrain such radicalism.

One wonders what is inspiring Mr Zardari to backtrack on his explicit written commitment to restore the deposed judges immediately after Musharraf's ouster. At least three factors can be identified that are contributing to the power games being played by the Zardari-led PPP in Islamabad at the moment at the expense of immediate restoration of the judges: the desire to seek bargaining chips in determining the distribution of powers between coalition partners in the post-Musharraf era, including the pursuit of the presidential office; keeping the promises made to foreign allies that Musharraf will be ensured a safe passage; and continuing to provide the US with a one-window operation in the war of terror even in post-Musharraf Pakistan.

Our best-case scenario is that foot-dragging over the restoration issue in an archetypical Zardari negotiation tactic to seek maximum concessions from the PML-N in the post-Musharraf distribution of executive power between coalition partners. By digging his heels over the issue that the PML-N is unquestionably committed to, Mr Zardari can negotiate his way through all his other demands, including control over the offices of president and rnors and distribution of the remaining cabinet slots. The issue of offering immunity to Musharraf is also linked to restoration. The N has taken the public position that it will not help promulgate a law to underwrite and protect the general's illegal acts. In the absence of such protective legislation, keeping in place a pliant Dogar Court would be the other option to keep legal actions against the general at bay.

It would, however, be more worrisome if Mr Zardari has been dragooned by the US to backtrack on his commitment to restore the Nov 2 judges. Going back to the summer of 2007, the deal brokered by our "allies" in the war on terror was designed to bunch together General Musharraf with the centre-left political parties (PPP, ANP and MQM) to give Musharraf's war effort political legitimacy. Is it possible that the US had now agreed to a minus-one formula (Musharraf being the minus) and is still trying to cobble together a coalition of centre-left parties to continue with Musharraf's unfinished business in the tribal areas? If that were the agenda, however, misconceived, breakup of the coalition over the judges' issue would be a masterstroke.

It would rid the government of the PML-N that the US administration staunchly mistrusts, and would also take care of Chief Justice Chaudhry-led independent judiciary that could possibly ask inconvenient questions about the unconstitutional practices being employed against Pakistani citizens in the war being waged in the tribal areas. That would be a grave mistake, though, which would not only polarise Pakistan but also jeopardise the medium- to long-term interests of the US in this region. There are no miracle solutions available to weed out the menace of insurgency, militancy and extremism being nurtured by our own people within our land. The struggle against this scourge will have to be protracted and backed by a national consensus that announces zero-tolerance for suicide missions.

As a civilised nation we cannot afford to be apologists for the cause of the Taliban who have blown up over a 1,000 Pakistani citizens in suicide bombings since 2002 and injured many more. This depraved lot, while owning up these missions as a mark of their success, boldly advocate the strategy of indiscriminately killing innocent civilians as a legitimate tool to change the policy of the Pakistani state. But while they can adopt an-eye-for-an-eye policy in this war, the government of Pakistan cannot indiscriminately kill its citizens, even if they are terrorists and murderers. The concept of rule of law dictates that irrespective of the horror caused by an individual, due process must be followed in bringing him to justice. Those blowing up innocent civilians and policemen across Pakistan must be brought to justice, but by arresting and prosecuting them and not be declaring war on them and blowing them up along with their families.

And this harder course, mandated by our Constitution, requires a protracted effort and convergence of national will that can only be achieved by a government that has the representation of parties that fall on the right and the left of the ideological divide. Thus, squeezing out the centre-right PML-N will undermine the ability of a government comprising centre-left parties to forge a national consensus on the issue of militancy. Consequently, a centre-left government fighting a war not backed by national consensus will be seen by the majority as a pawn in the hands of the US, and such perception will move the sensible majority of the country further right. This will polarise the country, and not just undermine the ability of the government to implement an effective strategy against the tribal renegades but also confound the American war effort in Afghanistan by pitting US interests against those of the people of Pakistan.

There need not be any such conflict. Pakistan has an inherent interest in controlling extremism within its borders. And thus convergence in the interests of the Pakistani and US people can be found, only if the US administration has the sense to back off and let independent state institutions find their feet in Pakistan. Trying to contrive a one-window solution with President Zardari calling all the shots while surrounded by a rubberstamp parliament, a docile judiciary and a willing military might backfire. Instead of attempting to render the constitutional system of separation of powers and checks and balances dysfunctional and deforming the working of a nascent democracy – the best guarantees of moderation and liberalism in the country – the US should rewrite its terms of engagement with the state and the people of Pakistan in the interest of a sustainable mutually beneficial relationship.
 
Deeply hurt PML-N feels Zardari will self-destruct
Sunday, August 24, 2008
‘The coalition is almost dead’

By Shaheen Sehbai

LAHORE: The PML-N will field a very respectable and honourable person as its candidate for the president’s post as its coalition with the PPP is almost over, a top notch PML-N leader said in Lahore, deeply regretting that the PPP leadership had wasted a God-given opportunity to politicians to reassert their collective right to rule the country.

The leader told me at the Club Road Secretariat of the Chief Minister the coalition could now be saved only if Asif Ali Zardari showed political maturity :eek:and grace :lol:instead of displaying insecurity and immaturity, which he had done in the recent weeks and months breaking every public and private promise he had made, whether verbal or written.

The PML-N leadership is almost in a state of mourning after what is now being considered as the death of a dream which, the party leadership claims, was kept alive by Mian Nawaz Sharif by showing extreme patience, maturity :confused:and vision,:disagree: despite repeated and embarrassing betrayals by Zardari.

“We were trying to show to the world and our military and civilian establishment that the politicians have learnt their lessons and they would now practice the politics of principles, never indulge in petty power politics and lead by example, sacrificing their personal and party interests for larger national causes,” the PML-N leader said.

“But Mr Zardari could not pull himself out of the groove of grabbing key positions, rewarding his cronies and friends and never overcoming the fear factor,” the leader said. This PML-N assessment will be presented before a key kitchen cabinet meeting of the party bosses at Raiwind on Sunday and a full party Central Executive Committee meeting on Monday to decide the party policy after the coalition is formally declared dead and buried.

The party leadership thinks Mian Nawaz Sharif did his best to persuade Zardari that restoring the judges would be the best thing the politicians could deliver to the nation as a free and fearless judiciary would keep an eye on every other institution.

“But the PPP leader is stuck with the NRO and fears that if it is reopened, he would again have to face the dark shadows of his past,” the PML-N leader said, stressing that Zardari does not realise that failure of the political process will also inevitably lead to the collapse of the system and then the shadowy past would again be revived.

“He thinks by grabbing power and dominating every decision-making institution he was pre-empting the inevitable. He is sadly mistaken because the PML-N has taken up all the national issues based on principled stands and had thus received massive support but Mr Zardari’s political moves have been looked down and condemned by every section of the society, including even the serious and saner elements of the PPP itself.”

The top PML-N leadership is thus awe-struck by Zardari’s blatant political somersaults, sometimes even within hours. They recall that Zardari himself feels that his own word is now without any weight and his credibility has sunk, not only in the masses but also among his own coalition party leaders. The PML-N leader narrated the story of how at one recent meeting, Zardari asked for a copy of the Holy Qur’aan so that he could swear by it and Mian Nawaz Sharif could believe what he was saying. Sharif told him to keep the Holy book out of politics. There is a deep feeling of hurt and betrayal in the PML-N camp yet there is a strong determination that come what may the party would continue to practice the politics of principles because within a few months, when the system would be unable to sustain the burden of lies, deceit, betrayals, dirty tricks and corruption, these very acts would be used by the establishment against the PPP and all those who support it. “Then we will stand upright and be vindicated by the masses.” The leaders believe that left on his own, Zardari will self destruct as already the limited and experimental transfer of power has started to get to his head. “We were trying to keep him on the ground so that the political class as a whole does not get the blame but there is a limit to what can be done. His case is now getting beyond repair.”
 
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