‘CPEC to attract $150 billion foreign investment

[gslv mk3]

Even if it does not lead to a single dollar investment.. its still worth building for sake of all the pain suffering and randi rona across the border

Wow, great logic. That seems good for us, as you would commit on projects with sovereign guarantee, and end up bankrupt.

Good luck in setting up your 17GW installed capacity with $34 billion Chinese investment btw. $2 billion for a Gigawatt.

 

[Mrc]

Wow, great logic. That seems good for us, as you would commit on projects with sovereign guarantee, and end up bankrupt.

Good luck in setting up your 17GW installed capacity with $34 billion Chinese investment btw. $2 billion for a Gigawatt.

Randi rona

 

[gslv mk3]

Randi rona

About what? You selling your country to the highest bidder?

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Are you talking investment or debt liability?

Pakistan 's external debt, liabilities hit record $73 BILLION dollars level

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan...3-billion-dollars-level.446793/#ixzz4IuxcY6Q4

So first, clear you debts and then talk!

No...I was talking about the money, investment people call it, China is throwing. First in shape of CPEC of 46 billion dollars and then 26 billion dollars for dams......

It is 72, now.

 

[newb3e]

About what? You selling your country to the highest bidder?

Okay indians you say cpec joke okay cpec is joke toh phir itna g kyon jalli howi hai you are shinning india we are not shinning pakistani lets us enjoy cpec please!

Huur thread may indian randi roona!

 

[Mrc]

About what? You selling your country to the highest bidder?

We dont mind till we have access to toilets

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

46 billion $ are not Invested Yet you Talking about 72 billion $
Go check you FDI Figures as 2015 is only 2.6 billion $ FDI is Invested as of Now

Foreign Direct Investment in Pakistan increased by 2677.90 USD Million in 2015. Foreign Direct Investment in Pakistan averaged 2623.93 USD Million from 2010 until 2015, reaching an all time high of 3184.30 USD Million in 2010 and a record low of 2099.10 USD Million in 2012. Foreign Direct Investment in Pakistan is reported by the State Bank of Pakistan.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/pakistan/foreign-direct-investment

So if 46 billion is not invest nor coming in form of investment, then why others write it as a investment? then in which name they are coming...

Pakistan lands $46 billion investment from China

http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/20/news/economy/pakistan-china-aid-infrastucture/

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

@Sinopakfriend The investment over decade could even hit $250 billion or might struggle past $2.5 billion. Once the concrete, tarmac, steel, cables, pipes are laid it all depends on the culture that surrounds the "corridor". If it is open, law abiding, secular within no time it could hit $250 billion and rise even higher.

If on the other hand it is lack of law, closed in, refusing to accept diversity, start looking down at people don't dress what they call "appropriate" or start giving Islamic lecture round every bend then the figure will struggle to get above even $2.5 billion.

We will know if it is success. If over 100,000 Chinese are living in Pakistan quite happily within decade then this project will take off with sky being the limit. If on the other hand there skeleton crew of Chinese minus their familes in particular females who can't wait to finish their "tour of duty" in Pakistan and go off to more interesting postings like in Europe or America then this CPEC will have failed.

I guess for me if you see 1,000s of Chinese females dressed like they do walking around in Lahore, Islamabad or Gwadar taking pictures like they do without anybody batting a eyelid this project will be well on it's way.

Everything rests on the mindset, the culture. That is the $250 billion question.

Yes. That is the essence what you have condensed in your view construction.

As a guest here at PDF, I would like to honour the traditions and belief systems of my hosts.

So, as you can understand, I will remain on the level of abstraction that is both necessary and polite.

For me, personally, religion (any religion) is the personal matter of the believer and not a social framework. However, all societies are free to experiement what works for them or not. South Asia as a whole is theocratic...all of it.

Having said that...just look at your brothers the arabs...in GCC...what do you see?

What kind of policies are they executing for EXPATs?

Why not your country? You both share the same religion I believe.

I fear there is long road to freedom in the issues that you have highlightted elegantly. Long road.

Population explotion and development down not go hand in hand. Poverty breeds poverty.

However, social reforms are the key to every society's development.

What do you see happening in South West and South Asia?

Is any of the states on this landscapre really advancing? Truly, advancing?

If Pak can not contain / manage population growth, its food security, hence social harmony will be under major threat within a decade or so. Same goes for shinny inida also. BD too.

Which one of your political parties are going to craft a law that limits population growth: Two Children Law for everyone???

Pak has along with all of South Asia missed many decades of developement...political propaganda or indian posters brovados notwithstanding..

So figures of billions is frankly irrelevant if the core framework of a state is not solid...

Law, when executed fairly creates order...through order comes harmony...in harmony lives beauty and inner growth.

I do believe that CPEC is just the beginning of industrialisation your great country..it might not become innovative Germany over next 5 decades...but in terms of absolute numbers you will be hitting some trillion dollars mark in next couple of decade. Overall SA will grow...its is a growth region.




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[Indus Pakistan]

We dont mind till we have access to toilets

That was clean K.O

Yes.

I understand. I have friend who grew up in HK and speaks fluent Chinese. I also understand Chinese respect for host and everything but I, believe I have sized the situation as it is. I would prefer though if Chinese were more forthright in their thoughts. Sometimes a true friend is the only one who has courage to take you to the side and say "look mate I think ..........".

I honestly think if China does not apply some diplomatic tack to push Pakistan to begin a change in mindset - that of course requires that state to start peddling in the correct direction CPEC will fail. You know I am well wisher of CPEC but we must be realistic because only then can we see what the hurdles are, Then one can develop policies to overcome them.

I give you one example. Taxila, Sirkap and region around (Gandhara) near Islamabad has enough Greek/Buddhist treasures nestled in beautiful landscape of North West Pakistan that it should have millions of Chinese visitors thronging the ancient ruins. Either arriving at Islamabad Airport or by coach down the Karakorum Highway enjoying the spectacular scenery mixed with historical/cultural ruins from the Buddhist era. If this was in Turkey millions on millions of Chinese would descending to enjoy sights and sounds. Especially so given Pak/China have such close relationship. However alas the reality is you hardly see any Chinese.

On the other hand few days ago I was in Sheffield. A third league British city and I saw crowds of Chinese tourists taking pictures of stupid 10 year old statue. Then I thought these people travelled nearly 11 time zones but they could have had far more in Taxila. However the differance is the British culture is very open and inviting.

Pakistan needs to change it's mindset. Once that happens with neighbour like China failure is not even a choice - there is only one way. Up. If Pakistan had open mindset like Britain eight lane Karakorum motorway would not be able to cope with Chinese traffic and 10 Islamabad Airports would be needed to handle the air traffic from China.

China is going to the biggest market on earth. Opening up to it will only bring success.


Empty?

Taxila Museum

 

[gslv mk3]

We dont mind till we have access to toilets

And we don't mind until you have access to food

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SN.ITK.DEFC.ZS

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

That was clean K.O


I understand. I have friend who grew up in HK and speaks fluent Chinese. I also understand Chinese respect for host and everything but I, believe I have seized the situation as it is. I would prefer though if Chinese were more forthright in their thoughts. Sometimes a true friend is the only one who has courage to take you to the saide and say "look mate I think ..........".

I honestly think if Chinese does not apply some diplomatic tack to push Pakistan to begin a change in mindset - that of course requires that state to start peddling in the correct direction CPEC will fail. You know I am well wisher of CPEC but we must be realistic because only then can we see what the hurdles are, Then one can develop policies to overcome them.

I give you one example. Taxila, Sirkap and region around (Gandhara) near Islamabad has enough Greek/Buddhist treasures nestled in beautiful landscape of North West Pakistan that it should have millions of Chinese visitors thronging the ancient ruins. Either arriving at Islamabad Airport or by coach down the Karakorum Highway enjoying the spectacular scenery mixed with historical/cultural ruins from the Buddhist era. If this was in Turkey millions on millions of Chinese would descending to enjoy sights and sounds. Especially so given Pak/China have such close relationship. However alas the reality is you hardly see any Chinese.

On the other hand few days ago I was in Sheffield. A third league British city and I saw crowds of Chinese tourists taking pictures of stupid 10 year old statue. Then I thought these people travelled nearly 11 time zones but they could have had far more in Taxila. However the differance is the British culture is very open and inviting.

Pakistan needs to change it's mindset. Once that happens with neighbour like China failure is not even a choice - there is only one way. Up. If Pakistan had open mindset like Britain eight lane Karakorum motorway would not be able to cope with Chinese traffic and 10 Islamabad Airports would be needed to handle the air traffic from China.

China is going to the biggest market on earth. Opening up to it will only bring success.

My young brother,

Every thing what I thought would be of value to Pak peoples I stated in my post. I do understand that friends must be brutallly frank to each other..

I thought I was rather brutal and very forthcoming!

Anyhow, here comes the brutality...in frankness (Although, I feel vulguar in saying in such manner)

1- Kindly, stop doing self subotage dear Pak by not raining in your population growth. Stop being apathetic.

2- Kindly, eliminate anyone who is proxy for foreign powers and causes sectarian strife and murder in your beautiful country. Without reserve or hesitation.

3- Kindly, dear friends have a plan and hopefully a structured policy for next 25 years i..e 5 Five Years Plans..and regardless which of your noble political party comes to power. Just kindly, bloody execute as if your lives depended on this. Just do it.

4- Kindly, bring in laws that protect women and dignify them - no lip service- but eduction and job opportunities for your daughter and sisters, please. Also protection against any form of violence.

5- Kindly, for godsake, just get off your nonsense of ideological impasse. You are a Central Asian and ME power, kindly, bloody act like one. And while you are doing it, could you please, also break your begging bowl...kindly eat green grass and have dignity...

So, in a nutshell, kindly, please, stop being idle and waiting for miracles... just get on with the job and build your state or just please, join the indians in union and get over with it. Make up your mind. Actions!!!!!!!

Dear Kaptan, I know I have offended every and all Pak brothers now.

Feels bad to do so, but I feel I have done my duty to you all.

.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@gslv mk3

Please LEAVE this topic ; They DO not understand Economics ; it is none of our business

Let them wait and watch ; they will realise the reality and facts soon

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Feels bad to do so, but I feel I have done my duty to you all.

Thank you. I at least appreciate and agree 100% with what you said. You spoke your mind. Indeed if Pakistan followed what you said it would succeed. The sad reality is Pakistan is trapped in

1. Why is the reason for Pakistan?
2. Which religion you are?
3. Which sect of Islam you belong to?
4. Anti Western by damaging own country.
5. Allow religion to interfer with policy.
6. Worrying about the entire Muslim world - Palestine being at the top.

Let them wait and watch

Can you go and please build some toilets or something please since you guys are so good with economics???

Linl > https://defence.pk/threads/sanitation-pakistan-beats-india.446948/#post-8636991

 

[Areesh]

We dont mind till we have access to toilets

And raping women is not a normal daily affair.

You don't even need a vehicle if you want to abduct and molest a lady in India. Just chose and take away whatever you like.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Can you go and please build some toilets or something please since you guys are so good with economics???

I dont want to get into ANY discussion ; I was just requesting my friend to leave this topic

I know AND the WHOLE world knows
where my country stands AND also where Pakistan stands in the Comity of Nations