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KHURRAM HUSAIN
IN remarks given at a conference in Islamabad, Sartaj Aziz is reported to have said that loans being taken under CPEC projects will be repaid at two per cent interest spread over 20 to 25 years. He is about one-quarter right.

What Aziz is not telling us, unless his comments were not reported in full, is that more than two-thirds of the money committed for the ‘early harvest’ projects is actually on commercial terms. Of the total $28 billion that come under the ‘early harvest’ projects, a full $19bn are in the form of foreign direct investment on commercial terms and even the agreement signed in November 2013 between the governments of China and Pakistan that created this raft of investments mentions that these will follow “market principles”.

In those project documents that are publicly available, the debt service terms are 7pc to 8pc with many of them pegged to six-month Libor and include Sinosure, which is the fee for reinsurance of all loans that Chinese banks require all foreign borrowers to have.

Then there is the equity portion. Most of the projects coming in as direct investment have a debt-to-equity ratio of around 80:20, or in some cases 75:25. And in most cases, return on equity (ROE) is guaranteed at either 17pc or 20pc.

So let’s do a little math here. If $19bn are coming in as investment on commercial terms, and 80pc of that is debt with the remaining as equity, what is the size of the outflow as debt service and return on equity that we can discern?

My math tells me that the debt service outflows will be about $1bn and the return on equity will be $646 million if it is kept at 17pc. Add to that $1.9bn as repayment of principal. That means an annual net outflow of $3.546bn per year once commercial operations begin.

To properly afford the CPEC projects, the country will need to lift its exports, boost its productivity, and give a large spur to private enterprise.
Somebody please tell me what I’m doing wrong here. You can tweak the numbers a bit, say debt service will be 6pc and not 7pc as I’ve assumed. ROEs are unlikely to be lower than 17pc. In one case at least, that of Karot Hydropower, Nepra had granted 17pc ROE to the sponsors but they have submitted a review petition asking for this to be raised to 20pc “so as to encourage the investor to invest in the hydropower sector”.

So how much is $3.546bn? Compare it with last fiscal year’s figures, when interest payments on external debt were $2.1bn, and income (for foreigners) from investments in Pakistan was $3.2bn. Pakistan’s total interest outflows (on government borrowing alone) were $1.1bn in fiscal year 2016.

In the case of CPEC investments, it is difficult to see how these will be booked, since technically they will not be on government account: each project will earn its own money and service its own obligations, whether to its creditors or its sponsors, from its own cash flow. Therefore these outflows (and I’ve only calculated the interest on them, the repayment of principal is on top) will not be booked as external debt service obligations of the state since they are not public debt (even though they are publicly guaranteed), and only the repatriated profits will be booked as income from investments.

It is difficult to compare government debt figures with CPEC-related investment though, because they are both booked differently since the former is a direct loan whereas the latter is an investment against a loan. But they both place a burden on foreign exchange reserves, which will need to increase correspondingly if we are to extract the proper benefit from CPEC projects and not be left with a herd of white elephants whose costs weigh the macro economy down more than their output lifts it up.

How many of us are reassured that the government has done its homework properly to ensure that this does not happen? The more I hear government leaders telling the people that these are all concessional loans that carry an interest charge of 2pc payable in 25 years, the less reassured I feel because they are telling us less than a quarter of the full story and stopping there, to leave us with the impression that there are no further costs beyond this.

In reality, to properly afford the CPEC projects that are being undertaken, the country will need to lift its exports, boost its productivity, and give a large spur to private enterprise to get the wheels of domestic investment moving again. To some extent, this is happening. Cement, for instance, is doing quite well. Cement, incidentally, is probably the only product the Chinese projects are sourcing locally, with everything else imported from Chinese firms, with loans taken from Chinese banks.

On the surface, these figures are not alarming. Pakistan’s economy can indeed absorb them, and still profitably benefit. But so far, the IMF and the State Bank are both warning that for the country to carry its external debt burden, exports need to increase rapidly. The State Bank has also been warning about the increasingly short-term nature of external debt, pointing that “domestic commercial banks have also been taking short-term loans from foreign banks to bridge the payment gaps”.

I’m no expert in this field. But just looking at what is happening on the external front of our economy makes me a little nervous and I need some reassurance. We’ve heard about “record-high reserves” before too, only to find ourselves knocking on the IMF’s door within a year.

And I’m even less reassured when I read what the government told the IMF in the last review when the Fund raised the issue of a growing Chinese debt burden being taken on. They were told that “additional Chinese investment over the longer term, building on CPEC as a platform, could also help cover the projected CPEC-related outflows”.

Wonderful.

Source: http://www.dawn.com/news/1302328/cpec-cost-build-up
 
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KHURRAM HUSAIN
IN remarks given at a conference in Islamabad, Sartaj Aziz is reported to have said that loans being taken under CPEC projects will be repaid at two per cent interest spread over 20 to 25 years. He is about one-quarter right.

What Aziz is not telling us, unless his comments were not reported in full, is that more than two-thirds of the money committed for the ‘early harvest’ projects is actually on commercial terms. Of the total $28 billion that come under the ‘early harvest’ projects, a full $19bn are in the form of foreign direct investment on commercial terms and even the agreement signed in November 2013 between the governments of China and Pakistan that created this raft of investments mentions that these will follow “market principles”.

In those project documents that are publicly available, the debt service terms are 7pc to 8pc with many of them pegged to six-month Libor and include Sinosure, which is the fee for reinsurance of all loans that Chinese banks require all foreign borrowers to have.

Then there is the equity portion. Most of the projects coming in as direct investment have a debt-to-equity ratio of around 80:20, or in some cases 75:25. And in most cases, return on equity (ROE) is guaranteed at either 17pc or 20pc.

So let’s do a little math here. If $19bn are coming in as investment on commercial terms, and 80pc of that is debt with the remaining as equity, what is the size of the outflow as debt service and return on equity that we can discern?

My math tells me that the debt service outflows will be about $1bn and the return on equity will be $646 million if it is kept at 17pc. Add to that $1.9bn as repayment of principal. That means an annual net outflow of $3.546bn per year once commercial operations begin.

To properly afford the CPEC projects, the country will need to lift its exports, boost its productivity, and give a large spur to private enterprise.
Somebody please tell me what I’m doing wrong here. You can tweak the numbers a bit, say debt service will be 6pc and not 7pc as I’ve assumed. ROEs are unlikely to be lower than 17pc. In one case at least, that of Karot Hydropower, Nepra had granted 17pc ROE to the sponsors but they have submitted a review petition asking for this to be raised to 20pc “so as to encourage the investor to invest in the hydropower sector”.

So how much is $3.546bn? Compare it with last fiscal year’s figures, when interest payments on external debt were $2.1bn, and income (for foreigners) from investments in Pakistan was $3.2bn. Pakistan’s total interest outflows (on government borrowing alone) were $1.1bn in fiscal year 2016.

In the case of CPEC investments, it is difficult to see how these will be booked, since technically they will not be on government account: each project will earn its own money and service its own obligations, whether to its creditors or its sponsors, from its own cash flow. Therefore these outflows (and I’ve only calculated the interest on them, the repayment of principal is on top) will not be booked as external debt service obligations of the state since they are not public debt (even though they are publicly guaranteed), and only the repatriated profits will be booked as income from investments.

It is difficult to compare government debt figures with CPEC-related investment though, because they are both booked differently since the former is a direct loan whereas the latter is an investment against a loan. But they both place a burden on foreign exchange reserves, which will need to increase correspondingly if we are to extract the proper benefit from CPEC projects and not be left with a herd of white elephants whose costs weigh the macro economy down more than their output lifts it up.

How many of us are reassured that the government has done its homework properly to ensure that this does not happen? The more I hear government leaders telling the people that these are all concessional loans that carry an interest charge of 2pc payable in 25 years, the less reassured I feel because they are telling us less than a quarter of the full story and stopping there, to leave us with the impression that there are no further costs beyond this.

In reality, to properly afford the CPEC projects that are being undertaken, the country will need to lift its exports, boost its productivity, and give a large spur to private enterprise to get the wheels of domestic investment moving again. To some extent, this is happening. Cement, for instance, is doing quite well. Cement, incidentally, is probably the only product the Chinese projects are sourcing locally, with everything else imported from Chinese firms, with loans taken from Chinese banks.

On the surface, these figures are not alarming. Pakistan’s economy can indeed absorb them, and still profitably benefit. But so far, the IMF and the State Bank are both warning that for the country to carry its external debt burden, exports need to increase rapidly. The State Bank has also been warning about the increasingly short-term nature of external debt, pointing that “domestic commercial banks have also been taking short-term loans from foreign banks to bridge the payment gaps”.

I’m no expert in this field. But just looking at what is happening on the external front of our economy makes me a little nervous and I need some reassurance. We’ve heard about “record-high reserves” before too, only to find ourselves knocking on the IMF’s door within a year.

And I’m even less reassured when I read what the government told the IMF in the last review when the Fund raised the issue of a growing Chinese debt burden being taken on. They were told that “additional Chinese investment over the longer term, building on CPEC as a platform, could also help cover the projected CPEC-related outflows”.

Wonderful.

Source: http://www.dawn.com/news/1302328/cpec-cost-build-up
Does Pakistan have some good steel mills and oil factories?
 
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But we have Oil Mills

Pakistan Oil Mills (Pvt.) Ltd Karachi
Pakistan Oil Mills (Pvt.) Ltd
Pakistan Oil Mills (Pvt.) Ltd Karachi
Habib Oil Mills
That is good, at least now.
Pakistan should invest some decent money on steel mill and oil refinery for its over 100 million people. That is the base for any decent country. believe me, it worth it!
 
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The Government with the backing of the Army knows what it is doing. This project took years of planning with thousands of expert geologists, economists, accountants, engineers, financial planners, energy specialists and ect... in the field - all whom came out with green lights. Random bloggers have no criteria to really 'question' them.
 
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The Government with the backing of the Army knows what it is doing. This project took years of planning with thousands of expert geologists, economists, accountants, engineers, financial planners, energy specialists and ect... in the field - all whom came out with green lights. Random bloggers have no criteria to really 'question' them.
It is good that you people worried about this topic. this is any decent countrymen should do to its country. But be warning that some special interest group who is against industrialization for seldishness.
 
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In simple terms: We're fu*ked man. See that's what i was talking about in other thread. All is loan on freaking hefty markups of 15-20%. Who the F in their right mind will decline us for that kind of loan ehh i mean investment. This project may or may not start to payoff in a century but we will be pulling out interest money from our own pockets for this mommoth in next few years. No Pakistani will die a virgin. Every single one will get Fked in the process. Great job takla shareef on negotiations table.
 
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In simple terms: We're fu*ked man. See that's what i was talking about in other thread. All is loan on freaking hefty markups of 15-20%. Who the F in their right mind will decline us for that kind of loan ehh i mean investment. This project may or may not start to payoff in a century but we will be pulling out interest money from our own pockets for this mommoth in next few years. No Pakistani will die a virgin. Every single one will get Fked in the process. Great job takla shareef on negotiations table.
In my opinion such news comes because people want cheap publicity and contrary views are always magnet for publicity.

Its not as pessimistic as the journalist has tried to portray. Most energy related loans are foreign investment in which nepra will buy electricity for less than 8 cents per unit except the solar energy which is little bit more expensive... compare it to Pakistan's existing source of energy where we are generating electricity for 12 - 16 rupees per unit from furnace oil and about 8 cents for natural gas... The only cheaper alternative is the hydro which costs us less than 1 cent per unit... Its not bad as the bottom line is, we will get electricity and if not the cheapest, still cheaper than currently installed thermal electricity

The inffrastructure projects are definitely loans but they were going to be completed regardless of CPEC or not, what has really happened is, we managed to build infrastructure 15-20 years ahead of schedule if not more... as we envisioned M1 to M9 back in the 1990s and only completed 800km or so until 2013... and now due to CPEC we suddenly get about 4000km of motorways from M-1 to M-14 and some expressways to link with major cities. It is definitely loan as suggested but most of these projects are also cheaper than loans aquired from Paris Club, ADB and World Bank.

The other thing you need to remember is, with passage of time the total cost increases very quickly in Pakistan. For example a ring round in Lahore was supposed to be completed for 7 billion rupees in 1990s and ended up with only 50% portion costing 70 billion rupees in 2000s. If we have such infrastructure now it will stimulate economic activities and promote regional connectivity saving billions of rupees each year

What the gentleman actually did is, called everything is bad... but didn't compare to existing resources which are way more expensive and breaking our backbone by giving unfair subsidies
 
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In my opinion such news comes because people want cheap publicity and contrary views are always magnet for publicity.

Its not as pessimistic as the journalist has tried to portray. Most energy related loans are foreign investment in which nepra will buy electricity for less than 8 cents per unit except the solar energy which is little bit more expensive... compare it to Pakistan's existing source of energy where we are generating electricity for 12 - 16 rupees per unit from furnace oil and about 8 cents for natural gas... The only cheaper alternative is the hydro which costs us less than 1 cent per unit... Its not bad as the bottom line is, we will get electricity and if not the cheapest, still cheaper than currently installed thermal electricity

The inffrastructure projects are definitely loans but they were going to be completed regardless of CPEC or not, what has really happened is, we managed to build infrastructure 15-20 years ahead of schedule if not more... as we envisioned M1 to M9 back in the 1990s and only completed 800km or so until 2013... and now due to CPEC we suddenly get about 4000km of motorways from M-1 to M-14 and some expressways to link with major cities. It is definitely loan as suggested but most of these projects are also cheaper than loans aquired from Paris Club, ADB and World Bank.

The other thing you need to remember is, with passage of time the total cost increases very quickly in Pakistan. For example a ring round in Lahore was supposed to be completed for 7 billion rupees in 1990s and ended up with only 50% portion costing 70 billion rupees in 2000s. If we have such infrastructure now it will stimulate economic activities and promote regional connectivity saving billions of rupees each year

What the gentleman actually did is, called everything is bad... but didn't compare to existing resources which are way more expensive and breaking our backbone by giving unfair subsidies
Thanks mate for a civil reply unlike my childish behaviour. I'm worried for my country. We already have 35-40% of Debt to GDP ratio & this will take it to 70% really fast & considering the project will start to payoff in a decade or more this can become a serious white elephant in our backyard. I wish & hope this project may help Pakistan to overcome challanges but the markups on loans are very hefty & you can't compare this with any other investment firm because we get to hear that China is our friend & brother. Which brother gives his brother a loan & that too on a markup of 15-20% ?
 
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Thanks mate for a civil reply unlike my childish behaviour. I'm worried for my country. We already have 35-40% of Debt to GDP ratio & this will take it to 70% really fast & considering the project will start to payoff in a decade or more this can become a serious white elephant in our backyard. I wish & hope this project may help Pakistan to overcome challanges but the markups on loans are very hefty & you can't compare this with any other investment firm because we get to hear that China is our friend & brother. Which brother gives his brother a loan & that too on a markup of 15-20% ?
Pakistan's debt to Gdp stands around 64%, likely to drop to 60% in 2 years despite all these loans, compare it to India, Sri Lanka or Bhutan and they have even higher debt to GDP and yet growing at amazing pace.

Pakistan external debt to GDP is around 26% and that is very tolerable. It is not that we are only taking loans, the gdp is also growing at the same time and by 2030, The Gdp nominal will most likely be around 1 trillion dollars and possibly more with CPEC factor... so these loans would sound peanuts (although we will take more loans from elsewhere too maintaining the debt to gdp ratio very high).

CPEC had got 52 projects in 2013 and with additions the number of projects have risen and every project have got different terms and conditions so it it really hard to generalise the entire project without going into details of every project

Please don't worry; the future is brighter than what we witnessed in 2008-2014
 
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Pakistan's debt to Gdp stands around 64%, likely to drop to 60% in 2 years despite all these loans, compare it to India, Sri Lanka or Bhutan and they have even higher debt to GDP and yet growing at amazing pace.

Pakistan external debt to GDP is around 26% and that is very tolerable. It is not that we are only taking loans, the gdp is also growing at the same time and by 2030, The Gdp nominal will most likely be around 1 trillion dollars and possibly more with CPEC factor... so these loans would sound peanuts (although we will take more loans from elsewhere too maintaining the debt to gdp ratio very high).

CPEC had got 52 projects in 2013 and with additions the number of projects have risen and every project have got different terms and conditions so it it really hard to generalise the entire project without going into details of every project

Please don't worry; the future is brighter than what we witnessed in 2008-2014
Inshallah!
 
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The author of the article needs to read more about project financing specifically cashflow based lending.

Instead of focusing on ROE he should focus on WACC (Weighted average cost of capital)

WACC is the total cost of weighted by respective portion of debt/equity to total capital.

Foreign loans are benchmarked by LIBOR. Currently 12 months LIBOR is around 1.65%. With a spread of 4.5% total cost of debt is 6.15%.

If ROE is 17% and portion of equity is 25% then total cost in percentage terms is 8.55%

(0.17X0.25+0.0615X0.70).

A WACC of 8.55% is actually quite feasible.

No one finances a project on commercial basis unless it is feasible.

The feasibility depends upon the tariff per unit of electricity (for power projects) w.r.t cost per kw/hr. If tariff is greater than cost per kw/hr then project is feasible.

If the tariff per unit is near or lower than present cost of electricity then the project is feasible because the demand for electricity is there and will increase year over year. Industries will grow year over year and this requires addition in supply which we need.

Tariffs set by NEPRA benchmarks pertinent costs including LIBOR+spread, ROE, Operating and maint costs e.t.c.

This is not something new, all major projects are structured similarly.

Motorway was constructed similary with hefty loans paid back by the toll taxes.

All those that work on such projects are not idiots. They know the benchmark costs, demand/supply factor e.t.c and these factors are catered for whenever a new project is financed.
 
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There was news of Pakistan keeping some motorway as collateral for loans. What happens in case the loan cannot be paid back? What can the lender do with this road? Block it?
 
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