Covering Ukraine: A mean streak of racist exceptionalism

[Madni Bappa]

Can you do something useful with your time other than talking nonsense and focusing on accusing people of this, that, and the other??

Plus this forum is on a US server. If the US Government didn't like it they'd simply pull the plug and give the owner a hard time. He lives in Indianapolis.

I'm not saying bid bro doesn't like it. I'm saying big bro wasting their time on pdf

 

[nahtanbob]

Come on, every Western government and its pliant media agency knows it. But please read this post.

Are these Russian Propaganda Channels??

https://youtu.be/jiBXmbkwiSw
https://youtu.be/xC1oCpnDURc
https://youtu.be/5SBo0akeDMY
https://youtu.be/iDG_hWlVda4

None of those videos makes Ukraine anymore fascist than Russia

 

[Darius77]

None of those videos makes Ukraine anymore fascist than Russia

Ukraine is a complete puppet of the US and NATO warmongers and sent 7,000 soldiers to kill the people of Iraq. Russia did not. Let's not kiss too much US a $$, as America's filthy paws are tainted in blood of Muslims and innocent people from Vietnam to Yemen.

 

[jamahir]

None of those videos makes Ukraine anymore fascist than Russia

Are the fascists in Russia intimate part of the government ?

 

[nahtanbob]

Are the fascists in Russia intimate part of the government ?

Since you used the term first define fascism for me the way you see it

 

[hussain0216]

Just throwing words like Nazi does not make the Ukrainian regime one

How about Jew Nazi's

 

[Darius77]

How about Jew Nazi's

They are called Zio-Nazis and in reality most of ultra-right racist groups in Europe are supported and funded by Zionists, PEGIDA is a classic example of Nazi and Zionist links.

 

[jamahir]

Since you used the term first define fascism for me the way you see it

I used "Nazi", it was you who used "Fascist". But first the Google description :

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and the economy that rose to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

Now in India Modi has been a fascist since his prime ministership in 2014. The various organs related to him jailing progressives using the excuse of "anti-national activity" and "sedition", his followers doing disinfo campaigns against the progressives using the same excuses, using state police agencies like Enforcement Directorate to raid opposition leaders and their relatives on trumped-up charges, creating a cult of populism which is pushed by social media and traditional media ( the last called Godi Media here ), demonizing minority sections ( Muslims, Christians, Communists ) and even calling for their extermination / ethnic cleansing, war against the country's own citizens ( Northeastern rebels, Kashmiris, the Naxal armed Communists ) etc.

In case of Zelensky, in my opinion, there have been elements of these - war against the Russian speakers ( own citizens ), forcible Ukranianization, White supremacy, that EuroMaidan color revolution sponsored for you by friendly neighborhood CIA which then made possible all the before things and maybe other things like action against sensible journalists and activists. Isn't this enough to be called fascist ?

 

[nahtanbob]

I used "Nazi", it was you who used "Fascist". But first the Google description :

Now in India Modi has been a fascist since his prime ministership in 2014. The various organs related to him jailing progressives using the excuse of "anti-national activity" and "sedition", his followers doing disinfo campaigns against the progressives using the same excuses, using state police agencies like Enforcement Directorate to raid opposition leaders and their relatives on trumped-up charges, creating a cult of populism which is pushed by social media and traditional media ( the last called Godi Media here ), demonizing minority sections ( Muslims, Christians, Communists ) and even calling for their extermination / ethnic cleansing, war against the country's own citizens ( Northeastern rebels, Kashmiris, the Naxal armed Communists ) etc.

In case of Zelensky, in my opinion, there have been elements of these - war against the Russian speakers ( own citizens ), forcible Ukranianization, White supremacy, that EuroMaidan color revolution sponsored for you by friendly neighborhood CIA which then made possible all the before things and maybe other things like action against sensible journalists and activists. Isn't this enough to be called fascist ?

Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan under Taliban, Turkey, Syria, Sri Lanka are all fascist by that definition. Have a nice day

 

[jamahir]

Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan under Taliban, Turkey, Syria, Sri Lanka are all fascist by that definition. Have a nice day

No, give reasons for your list.

 

[nahtanbob]

No, give reasons for your list.

Start with Putin - he jails opponents, quashes the press, poisons dissidents

 

[jamahir]

Start with Putin - he jails opponents, quashes the press, poisons dissidents

And in your USA :

1. Most of the press is directed by the establishment including CIA. The remainder press is not allowed to grow. The establishment press saturates the "discussion". Hollywood plays a part too - look at the "comedy" films against Gaddafi and Kim Jong Un. The Gaddafi "comedy" film came out after USA's military and rest of NATO did an illegal invasion of Libya and committed war crimes there and inserted Al Qaeda and "Muslim" Brotherhood criminals there in their thousands. Did Putin do any such thing ?

2. What about Edward Snowden who is being hounded by the American establishment and is now in refuge in Russia ? From the wiki about him :

A subject of controversy, Snowden has been variously called a traitor,[5]a hero,[6] a whistleblower,[7] a dissident,[8] a coward,[9] and a patriot.[10]U.S. officials condemned his actions as having done "grave damage" to the U.S. intelligence capabilities.[11] Snowden has defended his leaks as an effort "to inform the public as to that which is done in their name and that which is done against them."[12] His disclosures have fueled debates over mass surveillance, government secrecy, and the balance between national security and information privacy.

And I am sure there are many people whom CIA assassinated.

3. Only yesterday we had a discussion about the Occupy Wall Street movement in USA ( and other Anglo countries ) which the American establishment tried to sabotage.

 

[nahtanbob]

And in your USA :

1. Most of the press is directed by the establishment including CIA. The remainder press is not allowed to grow. The establishment press saturates the "discussion". Hollywood plays a part too - look at the "comedy" films against Gaddafi and Kim Jong Un. The Gaddafi "comedy" film came out after USA's military and rest of NATO did an illegal invasion of Libya and committed war crimes there and inserted Al Qaeda and "Muslim" Brotherhood criminals there in their thousands. Did Putin do any such thing ?

I am free to publish whatever I want. There are late night comedians who make fun of American Presidents. it means nothing

2. What about Edward Snowden who is being hounded by the American establishment and is now in refuge in Russia ? From the wiki about him :

Edward Snowden disclosed methods and sources of intelligence

And I am sure there are many people whom CIA assassinated.

3. Only yesterday we had a discussion about the Occupy Wall Street movement in USA ( and other Anglo countries ) which the American establishment tried to sabotage.

American establishment did nothing to sabotage the occupy Wall Street movement

 

[jamahir]

I am free to publish whatever I want. There are late night comedians who make fun of American Presidents. it means nothing

But the establishment will ensure that you, if you publish sensible things, will remain a sideshow. Your info will be drowned out and the public will be saturated with mindless info and lies. See Occupy for instance. You told me yesterday that after all these years you don't know what the movement wanted despite it having a website and it happening right in your country's economic capital and in that capital's main economic area. Were the TV networks carrying the progressive ideas of the Occupy Wall Street movement ? No, they were showing baseball and Keeping Up with the Kardashians. I in India know somethings about the movement but not you right in America where it originated ?

Edward Snowden disclosed methods and sources of intelligence

Any country can claim that as a crime but from what little I know of him and what I can guess about the matter he opened up the American intelligence to global scrutiny. American intelligence is not the most humanitarian of people.

American establishment did nothing to sabotage the occupy Wall Street movement

We discussed this yesterday. The establishment tried to make the movement seem to be anti-national and anti-patriotic whereas it was actually the movement which wanted the real good of American's people.

 

[Bilal9]

In India medical education is quite expensive from what I read, let alone being free. It can cost up to one crore for a four year period ( or maybe five it was ) whereas in Ukraine the course takes just 17 lakhs plus 3.5 lakhs for accommodation etc.

And then our Brilliant Modi declares that medical students should study in India without thinking why these students go to Ukraine and maybe Russia too.

There are many Indian and Pakistanis MBBS students studying in many Bangladesh medical colleges where the education is way cheaper than India. In fact Bangladesh-trained students do very well in placement exams when they go back to India.

Bangladesh is building some very large medical colleges. There are at least four or five specialized medical post graduate colleges being built in Dhaka alone that I know of. Some of them train nurses, others are for super-specialized medical disciplines.