Couple who named their son after Adolf Hitler jailed

[war&peace]

Excuse me?

Excused mate
Your comparison totally flawed and false. Barelvis are the most peaceful people.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Excused mate
Your comparison totally flawed and false. Barelvis are the most peaceful people.

Oh, the whole world saw that. And also the cringing, fawning surrender to their peaceful ways.

Do you mind not calling me 'mate'? That would be acceptable from those who have manners and breeding, not for coarse boors.

 

[war&peace]

Oh, the whole world saw that. And also the cringing, fawning surrender to their peaceful ways.

Do you mind not calling me 'mate'? That would be acceptable from those who have manners and breeding, not for coarse boors.

Whenever anyone will lie... I will give him/her a shut up call .. Sorry no compromise on lies regardless of whoever tells them. A friendly advice, if you want to avoid embarrassment, please make sure to read the OP in entirety and think a little bit before comment.
You equated Barelvis, the most peaceful people with your RSS for what? because they protested over an issue and some violent people tried to take advantage of that but vast majority of Barelvis did not approve. And would you say about the white protestors in France.. would you call them Nazis and terrorists as well. I hope you show some integrity and honesty here.

 

[vostok]

She is Portuguese though?

Ok. I just have to say something is wrong here. Black girl (or partly black - whatever) named her song Adolf Hitler? It is very strange.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Whenever anyone will lie... I will give him/her a shut up call .. Sorry no compromise on lies regardless of whoever tells them. A friendly advice, if you want to avoid embarrassment, please make sure to read the OP in entirety and think a little bit before comment.
You equated Barelvis, the most peaceful people with your RSS for what? because they protested over an issue and some violent people tried to take advantage of that but vast majority of Barelvis did not approve. And would you say about the white protestors in France.. would you call them Nazis and terrorists as well. I hope you show some integrity and honesty here.

Your immaturity and lack of balance shows up quite prominently in this attempted justification. First, learn what is a lie. Second, learn your own status and position, and your acceptability as a judge of the morals of others. Third, before passing loose remarks, take your own advice and read the OP, and think a lot, not a little, before comment. Fourth, your protests are singularly foolish sounding in the face of events as they played out in public, in the face of the whole wide world. Whether the vast majority of Barelvis believed this, that or the other is irrelevant considering that an acknowledged leader of that faction did what he did, and held your nation to ransom through methods that were anything but peaceful.

Before 'whataboutery' descends on your judgement, leave the white, brown and black protesters of other parts of the world alone, and deal with your own precious lot. My integrity and honesty does not need certificates from those who lack both manners and judgement.

 

[war&peace]

Your immaturity and lack of balance shows up quite prominently in this attempted justification. First, learn what is a lie. Second, learn your own status and position, and your acceptability as a judge of the morals of others. Third, before passing loose remarks, take your own advice and read the OP, and think a lot, not a little, before comment. Fourth, your protests are singularly foolish sounding in the face of events as they played out in public, in the face of the whole wide world. Whether the vast majority of Barelvis believed this, that or the other is irrelevant considering that an acknowledged leader of that faction did what he did, and held your nation to ransom through methods that were anything but peaceful.

Before 'whataboutery' descends on your judgement, leave the white, brown and black protesters of other parts of the world alone, and deal with your own precious lot. My integrity and honesty does not need certificates from those who lack both manners and judgement.

Now you are trying to justify the lie...instead of saying sorry and call it a day..You know what is worse than lie? Its justification

 

[Nefarious]

In his sentencing, Inman said the group had "horrific" goals.

National Action wanted "the overthrow of democracy in this country by serious violence and murder, and the imposition of a Nazi-style state which would eradicate whole sections of society by such violence and mass-murder," Inman said.

Banned organisation. Not just a name. White equivalent of Isis.

 

[nahtanbob]

"Daniel Bogunovic" ??
someone with that name would be a fine candidate for the gas chamber

Definitely he is not racist - he married black girl.

you mean the girl with black hair. she would still be "White". I would not know requirements to be considered "Aryan"

 

[vostok]

you mean the girl with black hair. she would still be "White". I would not know requirements to be considered "Aryan"

Well, may be she is not as black as negroes from Central Africa, but from my point of view she is definitely very far from being white. A girl of her kind naming a child Adolf Hitler is like a billionaire pretending to be a communist.

 

[Damir877]

"Daniel Bogunovic" ??
someone with that name would be a fine candidate for the gas chamber



you mean the girl with black hair. she would still be "White". I would not know requirements to be considered "Aryan"

Not necessarily,nazis had a lot of loyal collaborators from where that pos came to UK(judging from his name one of ex Yugoslav countries).
That girl on the other hand being a white supremacist...just wow.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Neo-Nazi couple who named their son after Adolf Hitler jailed for membership of far-Right group

LONDON:

A British court on Tuesday sentenced a fanatical neo-Nazi couple who named their baby son after Adolf Hitler to prison for belonging to a group banned under anti-terror laws.

Adam Thomas was sentenced to six and a half years in prison and his Portuguese partner Claudia Patatas to five years in prison by judge Melbourne Inman at Birmingham Crown Court.

Thomas, 22, and Patatas, 38, were among six people sentenced for membership of National Action, which in 2016 became the first right-wing group to be banned under anti-terror laws.

In his sentencing, Inman said the group had "horrific" goals.

National Action wanted "the overthrow of democracy in this country by serious violence and murder, and the imposition of a Nazi-style state which would eradicate whole sections of society by such violence and mass-murder," Inman said.

The judge said the couple, who gave their child the middle name "Adolf", had "a long history of violent racist beliefs".

"You acted together in all you thought, said and did, in the naming of your son and the disturbing photographs of your child by symbols of Nazism and the Ku Klux Klan".


Photographs recovered from their house showed Thomas cradling his newborn son while wearing the Ku Klux Klan white robe.

The couple's close friend, Darren Fletcher, who admitted National Action membership before trial, was also jailed on Tuesday for five years for the same crime.

Fletcher, 28, had taught his daughter to give a Nazi salute.

Daniel Bogunovic, 27, a leading member of National Action's Midlands chapter, was sentenced to six years and four months.

Hitler mean a hut dweller in German. It is pretty an innocent surname. Adolf is just another normal european name.
This sentencing shows how firm Zionist grip is on West.

 

[Asimzranger]

 

[Nilgiri]

To be honest, I think they ought to be. I've just opted out of a Facebook group that I was placed in by known people, because from opposing fascism and the RSS, some of the members have a manic obsession with a far left twist to everything.



And they are opposed. You have the Barelvi nutters who not only have ideas but implement them as well.



I agree, but not without exceptions. Nazi- or neo-Nazi ideology is one of those; Naxalism and their preaching of murder as a political weapon is another. The RSS is a third. I am not suggesting that we go beyond fines, gag orders and restrictions of that sort that are enforceable in practical terms. Unfortunately, an atmosphere of hate is conducive to acts of hatred. It was years of incendiary talk by Yogi Adityanath, and scum like him, that has led to the fascist-favouring atmosphere today, where a police officer cornered and murdered is of less consequence than the cows supposedly slaughtered in the same incident.

Look at Trump and what he is doing to American discourse.

You see its always a slippery slope my friend. Just look at the post right above yours, if hariprasad will let me entertain quoting him:

This can be a followable example for the county like India. India should deal with anti nationals in same way. India should not allow them to escape under the cover of freedom of speech etc. Today traitors are threatening country openly to raise arms against Nation.

Do you not see the problem of opening a floodgate like this by making an exception for special focus on whoever past the common core standard for all?

Fundamentally who is one person or even a group of people (or even majority) to dictate in such absolute way that the importance of preserving the fundamental freedom for every single human being .....should be transgressed based on perception of potential future action rather than clear existing evidence set by a current framework of law? There is a movie called "Minority Report" (based on original short story by Philip K.Dick) that you should watch/read...and beyond its direct more sci-fi storyline, you should think on the disturbing underlying argument as it relates to the non sci-fi larger world.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Now you are trying to justify the lie...instead of saying sorry and call it a day..You know what is worse than lie? Its justification

Precisely true. And now go and look in the mirror.

You see its always a slippery slope my friend. Just look at the post right above yours, if hariprasad will let me entertain quoting him:



Do you not see the problem of opening a floodgate like this by making an exception for special focus on whoever past the common core standard for all?

Fundamentally who is one person or even a group of people (or even majority) to dictate in such absolute way that the importance of preserving the fundamental freedom for every single human being .....should be transgressed based on perception of potential future action rather than clear existing evidence set by a current framework of law? There is a movie called "Minority Report" (based on original short story by Philip K.Dick) that you should watch/read...and beyond its direct more sci-fi storyline, you should think on the disturbing underlying argument as it relates to the non sci-fi larger world.

I see your point; tbh, got it right when you made it, but am thinking about the sudden, sharp downward lurch in public discourse, and the sudden spike in hate speech.

@HariPrasad 's post is a frightening reminder about what it can lead to, when the lads decide what is acceptable and what is not.

I've watched Minority Report, and am a fan of Philip K. Dick, and see the connection quite obviously, especially since you point it out. The difficulty is when you start expressing public admiration of a thuggish politician body-checking a journalist. My current gloomy state of mind is based on that, and on Chhappanincheswar's antics, and those of that mad midget, the UP Chief Minister.

 

[Nilgiri]

I see your point; tbh, got it right when you made it, but am thinking about the sudden, sharp downward lurch in public discourse, and the sudden spike in hate speech.

Indeed my friend. It is a discourse that I have now had many times with some extremely intelligent people (of all political flavours you can imagine)...on top of the internal debate I do with myself.

Trust me, I was also once of the persuasion that the "greater good" mattered the most (as defined by the majority)....my transition to a minimalist complete logic/reason driven position (no matter how much I may like or despise whoever benefits in some way from the greater good line of argument) was a long somewhat arduous one and of course nowhere near complete.

It is interesting both the KKK and Trump have already come up in this thread....given the KKK was spawned by the party that opposes Trump now largely regarding the very issues they benefited from (but feign a sudden selective amnesia and even perceived emotional opposition to) and largely continue to do so (by many other means past most media-vetted public discourse today). My friend, to even begin to understand Trump, a detailed study is needed of the preceding cpl decades...he did not arise out of the blue (however you perceive him personally).

The preceding president (ironically belonging to the elder-KKK party that no longer claims to be) was captured in a photo (in his senator days), all smiles with a certain movement leader that ticks a lot of nasty boxes (including unfettered black supremacy - endorsing violence/extreme racial prejudice much like the topic of the OP - but I do support his right to so):

Caption for the pic is... Dershowitz: I Wouldn't Have Campaigned for Obama If I Knew About Farrakhan Pic

(I won't go into who Dershowitz is, but he is one of the few heavyweight staunch non-hypocrite neutrals I have come across).

But this picture was repressed on purpose (along with certain details of Obama's past regarding a black supremacist preacher in a Chicago church he frequented) during Obama's campaign for the presidency.

I don't think I need to go into what would have happened if such a meeting (much less picture evidence) existed regarding equivalents for Trump....regarding both whether the media would have censured/suppressed it...and their (and their controlled public fora) reaction to it.

This is why I push for complete common minimum standards for all. It is simply too easy for society to drift or even lurch (over time) to a very destructive place when we indulge in selectivism on such fundamental things regarding human existence and human rights. Simply because an argument can be (and has already been) made its fine to do it now for so and so....but later (and it has happened already in many countries) the same exact precedent can be used on others (who are deemed to similarly be undesirable)....because simply no check valve exists anymore....and I need not explain how power can do some pretty awful things to both those that wield it and are affected by it.

I've watched Minority Report, and am a fan of Philip K. Dick, and see the connection quite obviously, especially since you point it out. The difficulty is when you start expressing public admiration of a thuggish politician body-checking a journalist. My current gloomy state of mind is based on that, and on Chhappanincheswar's antics, and those of that mad midget, the UP Chief Minister.

I empathise more than you could know. I definitely do not like those that power-worship personalities....especially politicians. But I support everyone else's right to do so (and not do so)...I have my right to my personal opinion and thought and they have theirs.

The argument we must be focused on is what is the common minimum standard where govt authority should be imposed on...so that there is no chance (or at least minimal chance) that slippery slope tendencies can accumulate and grow negative (big power dependent) momentum over time....i.e the best neutral level playing field that a society can impose on itself.

I think the individuals inalienable rights are sacrosanct as the basis first and to then build upon (using no harm clauses etc). This was part of the castle building analogy I was using elsewhere (starting from open field scratch and layering up)...compared to starting out with "society" as the big rock edifice and then shaping it top down (and the individual simply becomes a unit of no real inherent worth). @Mage