Country of broken railway tracks: How will bullet train run?

[tw00tw00]

It will hurt poor people the most.

So the poor people, who are the vast majority of Indians, will continue to ride the existing dilapidated trains, while the rich will use the new bullet trains from Japan.

Brilliant!

 

[boxer_B]

Problem with honesty and openness is that liars and deceivers often blame them the honest without telling the truth about themselves. Chinese government is the biggest concealer of truth :

http://www.chinafile.com/reporting-...y-china-doesnt-publish-fatal-train-crash-data

Disputes between the two agencies running the trains in China over how to classify and publish details on fatal railroad incidents has kept reports on some fatal accidents last year from surfacing, people close to the matter say.

Several employees of China Railway Corp. (CRC), which builds the country’s railroad networks and manages their commercial operations, said they have received reports about several serious accidents that involved three to 10 deaths last year.

None of the reports have been made public, which would contradict new rules from the National Railway Administration, the agency established in 2013 to handle the non-commercial affairs of the country’s railroad network after the Ministry of Railways was dissolved.

The sources Caixin spoke to did not say how many accidents occurred or how many people died in total.

The railroad administration announced rules in May that said that all companies in the industry must tell it about accidents that caused three deaths or more. Information including investigation results and who was punished and how, should be contained in the report and published on the administration’s website within 20 working days after the report was filed, the rules say. As of January 11, no reports on fatal accidents have appeared on the website’s page.

An official from the Ministry of Transport, which supervises the railroad administration, said the CRC opposed the disclosure rules and has argued for a “more cautious” approach to publishing the information.

He said employees of the ministry and the railroad administration found people at the CRC’s 18 regional bureaus were reluctant to cooperate with them on accident probes and on publishing investigation results.

A source close to the ministry said the administration’s rules were rushed out before all parties concerned agreed on key provisions. Negotiations on new rules seem to have stalled over sharp divisions regarding how to investigate and classify fatal accidents, and when and how to release information to the public, he said.

The CRC has not replied to Caixin’s request for comment.

Opening Slowly
Fatality rates in the railroad industry have traditionally been among China’s most closely guarded secrets. The State Administration of Work Safety has a database for accidents that includes data on deaths and injuries in almost all major industries and most of the information is published on its website.

However, the railroad sector is not included in the database, a source close to the safety watchdog said. Before the CRC was created, the old railroad ministry handled nearly every aspect of accidents, especially when the dead or injured worked for a state-owned company in the railroad industry or had relatives who did, experts who follow reform of the railroad industry say.

The ministry managed to keep information about most accidents in-house because it owned hospitals that treated the injured and the companies that could be ordered to compensate victims, the experts said. It also controlled a network of courts and law enforcement that was funded by and answered to local railroad bureaus. This system was intact until 2012.

The ministry started publishing some data in 2007 on accidents that killed people outside the railroad system. The data show that from 2007 to 2012, the number of deaths involving people outside the industry steadily fell every year. Even in 2011, when a collision of two bullet trains in the eastern city of Wenzhou killed 40 passengers, the annual death toll was still 5.4 percent lower than the previous year, the data show. The ministry has never published the total number of people who died in mishaps every year.

In 2014, the CRC published a death toll for the first time. It said that 1,336 people died in railroad accidents in 2013, down 5.7 percent from a year earlier. It said last year the death toll in 2014 was 1,232.

Xie Feng, China’s ambassador to Indonesia, said in August the casualty rate in the railroad industry over the past decade was 0.02 per 1 billion passengers per kilometer, among the lowest of all nations. China is trying to convince Indonesia and many other countries to let it build their railroad networks.

Yet information regarding specific accidents remain out of reach. Caixin has recently reported on two accidents, one in 2013 that left four people dead and the other in 2014 that killed three, but details on either crash remain unavailable.


- See more at: http://www.chinafile.com/reporting-...h-fatal-train-crash-data#sthash.OyquzNsT.dpuf

These rich Chinese are at us giving us morality lectures. I remember one Chinese member (won't take his name), but he was adamant about why no dark skinned indians are seen in bollywood?

Few days back, I read the article that Chinese used models in PLA parade. Is that correct or false news? Unbelievable, if true and then they have gumption to question film industry.

But given the record of toxic milk and toys,anything is possible.

 

[zip]

These rich Chinese are at us giving us morality lectures. I remember one Chinese member (won't take his name), but he was adamant about why no dark skinned indians are seen in bollywood?

Few days back, I read the article that Chinese used models in PLA parade. Is that correct or false news? Unbelievable, if true and then they have gumption to question film industry.

But given the record of toxic milk and toys,anything is possible.

After reading most of their posts here I thank myself for not knowing Chinese people all these years..

 

[boxer_B]

After reading most of their posts here I thank myself for not knowing Chinese people all these years..

Don't worry. Even Chinese weren't sure of chairman Mao before he killed about 60 million Chinese and then even got his pic printed on yuan currency. A serial killer on legal tender, can happen only in China!!!

 

[Bhupendra Singh_Cyan]

They're not going to get bullet train. Or at least not by international standard of what a bullet train is

In your dreams mate.
Delhi metro.got the best metro award in the world.
We'll get this too.
Have a goodnight sleep

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

So the poor people, who are the vast majority of Indians, will continue to ride the existing dilapidated trains, while the rich will use the new bullet trains from Japan.

Brilliant!

Just like rich Beijing citizens get to live and work there while poor people from rural areas are denied access due to Hoku system. isn't it?

After reading most of their posts here I thank myself for not knowing Chinese people all these years..

Chinese on this forum are mostly Chinese ultra nationalists. Think Shiv Sena x 1000 times.

 

[ashok mourya]

Poor can not ride flights...then stop airports?? Is this logical....what about the the rich 60% who can afford a bullet train...no more delays in bullet train and high speed trains...nothing improved except cleanliness in this govt...just big talk but no significant work..

 

[Magi Brahmin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/861423572681728000

Percapita of Maharashtra and gujarat is well above 2500 $.

bullet train was needed but not from Mum to Ahmadabad...its useless from country and Maharashtra's point of view...its an expensive gift modiji is giving to his people in Gujarat...I dont know the importance of Ahmadabad to spend almost 1 lakh crore whereas thousands are people are dying every year only in mumbai suburban railway due to overcrowding...

bullet trains were needed in routes like Mumbai-Bangalore, Mumbai-Pune, Mumbai-Delhi....it would have made more sense! dont know what we will do by going to dry state/city like Ahmadabad!!!!

Delhi mumbai is the jugular vain of West Indian economy.

Ahmedabad, surat and baroda are one of the wealthiest cities in India.

You should not come to Gujarat we dont need filthy poor drunkturds whos main achievement is Mass molestation in Dravida naddooo.

 

[rott]

This remind me the stories of BBC who says that when 20% people are living bellow poverty line than how can you send a mission to Mars? However we did. Same way we will do that. Our rajdhani, Shatabdi and Gatiman express run at a speed of 160 KM per hour and we are in the process of running the train at 200 KMPH on the same track.

I know you like to BS but there is a limit to it.
There are only two trains in India that can achieve the speed of 160kmph. The rest are snails pace.
Want me to break it out to you?

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

I know you like to BS but there is a limit to it.
There are only two trains in India that can achieve the speed of 160kmph. The rest are snails pace.
Want me to break it out to you?

Can you also tell me how many accidents happened involving Chinese Railways?
China hides her problems and Chinese point to problems of those who are honest to report them. Dare to break that down? You don't even get data for that because it is restricted.

http://www.chinafile.com/reporting-...y-china-doesnt-publish-fatal-train-crash-data

 

[rott]

Can you also tell me how many accidents happened involving Chinese Railways?
China hides her problems and Chinese point to problems of those who are honest to report them.

Mr. Butthurt, we aren't discussing about chinese railways or are we?

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

Mr. Butthurt, we aren't discussing about chinese railways or are we?

Mr. Dog Eater, when you point one finger at another 4 are towards you.

 

[rott]

Mr. Dog Eater, when you point one finger at another 4 are towards you.

Let's say I do eat dog. What are you gonna do about it? Cry?

 

[JohnyD]

You should not come to Gujarat we dont need filthy poor drunkturds whos main achievement is Mass molestation in Dravida naddooo.

what does it mean? are you out of your mind? how do you see people of Mumbai as filthy and mass molestator? and I think you know nothing abt Gujjus if you are not Gujju..they are the ones who keep wine industry running in Daman, they are the one who chew gutkhas and spit everywhere, they are the one who openly fart in public place, they are the one who visit dance bars the most, they are the ones who are famous for post dandiya Condom saga, Gujjus come to mumbai to earn and not the other way around,keep you Gujarat prosperity story with you, we dont need you, dont come to mumbai and we wont come to Amhmedabad...I would say, after UP, Bihari, Gujjus are the most filthy people!!

Gujarat riot had shown the world who are the rapist,murderer, human rights violators and mass molestators ! who wants to go and work there? you dont deserve a bullet train....

 

[lastman]

I believe some initial ground work has already started ?
https://www.google.co.in/amp/www.fi...edabad-bullet-train-rail-project/557534/lite/

I have used the chinese HSR and ppl here who are expecting something earth shattering are going to be disappointed.
Its a train which is faster , thats it.