Countering the IED threat to Toyota Hilux

[FuturePAF]

The Pakistan Army is faced with many threats from all directions. It has to find innovative and cost effective means to tackle these threats. The demand to replace all of the Toyota Hilux with MRAPs is a heavy cost and not practical on a financial basis. But there remains a need to find a way to “uparmor” the current force. This can be done with the addition of ballistic glass, bullet proof doors and engine block, but this won’t be enough to deal with the IED threat, which could only be a few pounds of explosive (consider what the current miscreants are using) but can be devastating to the FC troops that have to face it.

IMHO, Pakistan should look into working with this British scientist to license produce these upgrade kits for the Hilux fleet, operating in high threat environments.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) Any indications the army would consider such a procurement/retrofit? (I ask because IMHO You are very knowledgeable of realistic Army procurement considerations)

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

The Pakistan Army is faced with many threats from all directions. It has to find innovative and cost effective means to tackle these threats. The demand to replace all of the Toyota Hilux with MRAPs is a heavy cost and not practical on a financial basis. But there remains a need to find a way to “uparmor” the current force. This can be done with the addition of ballistic glass, bullet proof doors and engine block, but this won’t be enough to deal with the IED threat, which could only be a few pounds of explosive (consider what the current miscreants are using) but can be devastating to the FC troops that have to face it.

IMHO, Pakistan should look into working with this British scientist to license produce these upgrade kits for the Hilux fleet, operating in high threat environments.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) Any indications the army would consider such a procurement/retrofit? (I ask because IMHO You are very knowledgeable of realistic Army procurement considerations)

Rochdale has like hugest amount of Pakistanis/Kashmiris so Pakistan can not only work with him but also can get the TOT hopefully.

The Pakistan Army is faced with many threats from all directions. It has to find innovative and cost effective means to tackle these threats. The demand to replace all of the Toyota Hilux with MRAPs is a heavy cost and not practical on a financial basis. But there remains a need to find a way to “uparmor” the current force. This can be done with the addition of ballistic glass, bullet proof doors and engine block, but this won’t be enough to deal with the IED threat, which could only be a few pounds of explosive (consider what the current miscreants are using) but can be devastating to the FC troops that have to face it.

IMHO, Pakistan should look into working with this British scientist to license produce these upgrade kits for the Hilux fleet, operating in high threat environments.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) Any indications the army would consider such a procurement/retrofit? (I ask because IMHO You are very knowledgeable of realistic Army procurement considerations)

And this can even be done by Pakistan itself... not a complex thing..

 

[FuturePAF]

Rochdale has like hugest amount of Pakistanis/Kashmiris so Pakistan can not only work with him but also can get the TOT hopefully.

And this can even be done by Pakistan itself... not a complex thing..

I have no doubt they could do this themselves, but like you said, they could get the ToT and Pakistanis could work with the guy and this company, which has done alot of R&D already, so that this can be applied to the FC vehicles ASAP. It might only be a matter of a relatively modest amount of money, but would save us time, which can be very important, when looking to save as many lives in the FC and special forces.

 

[Destranator]

Hi Pakistani members, I have a question:
Why did Pakistani forces standardise Hiluxes over LC70 series?
The LC70 series is better suited for military purposes as it is more customisable, better at off-roading and has greater towing capacity yet quite fuel efficient.

Both Bangladesh and Pakistan have extensive history of military application of the LC70 series (including its predecessor the J40 series).

Bangladesh Armed Forces retained LC70 as their standard combat 4x4 platform. They do use some hiluxes but mainly for utility and not combat.

I wonder why Pakistan deviated towards Hiluxes in the recent past? Any distinct advantages of Hiluxes?

Examples of LC70 series military applications from both countries:

Pakistan:

Bangladesh:

 

[Destranator]

I think hiluxes thori hain ziada tar Mitsubishi double cabin and aik aur koi ugly si jeep ziada hain

Fc and rangers use small single cabin hilux. Hilux sasti ha isliye

If Mitsubishi L200 is the most numerous then it makes sense as it is actually quite cheaper than the other two.
Not so sure about Hilux being cheaper than LC70 if you consider lifecycle costs. LC70's just don't die.

 

[HaMoTZeMaS]

basically i understand that

Countering waves with waves

need precise engineering and science to counter the multiple type of IEDs
Practically possible to achieve.

But then i think,
we are as asains so dumb to even think but only Jugaaars

 

[Azadkashmir]

Rochdale has like hugest amount of Pakistanis/Kashmiris so Pakistan can not only work with him but also can get the TOT hopefully.

And this can even be done by Pakistan itself... not a complex thing..

sh it guy is from rochdale lolz.

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

sh it guy is from rochdale lolz.

He is from Rochdale as per info I dug out.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

If Mitsubishi L200 is the most numerous then it makes sense as it is actually quite cheaper than the other two.
Not so sure about Hilux being cheaper than LC70 if you consider lifecycle costs. LC70's just don't die.

L200 were bought in limited no and have been replaced with new revo models.
Even tested Fords.
Pak Army uses both LC & Hiluxes.

 

[Darth Vader]

Quite old project.
Resources or Tech isnt the issue, heck even private companies in Pak were offering replacement options its just the approach.
Even after decades nothing has actually been done on ground to make soldiers more safer on & off battlefield

 

[RescueRanger]

The Pakistan Army is faced with many threats from all directions. It has to find innovative and cost effective means to tackle these threats. The demand to replace all of the Toyota Hilux with MRAPs is a heavy cost and not practical on a financial basis. But there remains a need to find a way to “uparmor” the current force. This can be done with the addition of ballistic glass, bullet proof doors and engine block, but this won’t be enough to deal with the IED threat, which could only be a few pounds of explosive (consider what the current miscreants are using) but can be devastating to the FC troops that have to face it.

IMHO, Pakistan should look into working with this British scientist to license produce these upgrade kits for the Hilux fleet, operating in high threat environments.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) Any indications the army would consider such a procurement/retrofit? (I ask because IMHO You are very knowledgeable of realistic Army procurement considerations)

The hilux is not a suitable platform for “up-armouring”. That was the reason the US provided the ANA and Afghan National Police with Ford Rangers.

Force protection doesn’t have any shortcuts and whilst I really appreciate your excellent thread considering some of the rubbish people are discussing on pdf these days - what is required is a full review and revamp of the MT inventory of Pakistan Army and Paramilitary forces.

A cost effective and robust selection of vehicles need to be induced based on role and risk ranging from:

LAV - Paramilitary / LIC (Semi Permissive Environments)
APC - Military operations (Semi Permissive to Hostile Environments)
MRAP - (Hostile Environment with Active AP threat).

The vehicles need to be robust enough to operate in Pakistan, cost effective in terms of operational efficiency and with a solid supply chain making maintenance easy and finally modular in approach with the full spectrum of military and paramilitary operations.