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Countdown to launch India’s own GPS begins

will be a very tough competition with Chinese.....as they are churning out hybrid chips with Their own baidou and GPS+GLONASS receivers...

IRNSS will have to find a speciality if they want their shot at civilian mass market...

Chinese chip integrated in any phone or positioning device can find pisition by using 3 separate constellations...increasing accuracy and signal coverage...
IRNSS may find civilian use in specialist applications but not mass market..

Please help me to understand, whenever INDIANS comes with some developments news about INDIA, PAKISTANI guys used to jump in with some CHINESE stuffs…. Why this much bankrupt thinking….????
 
will be a very tough competition with Chinese.....as they are churning out hybrid chips with Their own baidou and GPS+GLONASS receivers...

IRNSS will have to find a speciality if they want their shot at civilian mass market...

Chinese chip integrated in any phone or positioning device can find pisition by using 3 separate constellations...increasing accuracy and signal coverage...
IRNSS may find civilian use in specialist applications but not mass market..

chinese phones are just crapy copies of Samsung and apple products. Samsung has the biggest share in Indian market along with Nokia so I dont see any problem here. Ppl usually stay away from chinese electronic products here. But recently huawei has brought nice phones to Indian market
 
Please help me to understand, whenever INDIANS comes with some developments news about INDIA, PAKISTANI guys used to jump in with some CHINESE stuffs…. Why this much bankrupt thinking….????

It's because they don't have anything of their own to speak of:coffee:

But I think, its got to do with the mentality. You don't see Indians boasting about F-22/F-35
against J-20/J-21 every now and then like that.
 
chinese phones are just crapy copies of Samsung and apple products. Samsung has the biggest share in Indian market along with Nokia so I dont see any problem here. Ppl usually stay away from chinese electronic products here. But recently huawei has brought nice phones to Indian market

I said "Hybrid chip" not phone..
The chip can be used in any phone including iPhones...
 
chinese phones are just crapy copies of Samsung and apple products. Samsung has the biggest share in Indian market along with Nokia so I dont see any problem here. Ppl usually stay away from chinese electronic products here. But recently huawei has brought nice phones to Indian market

He is not talking about phones, but sensors. These chips can find their way in Iphone or any other brand (not that I am aware of).

Chinese have an advantage of manufacturing. Many parts used by big companies are sourced from Chinese firms. Chinese govt can easily promote Baidou, they have both intent and means. Indians would just have to be content with the fact that a local alternative exists!

Except for govt/military use, can someone elaborate where it would be used for, commercially?
 
@Dreamreaper A crucial breakthrough by a small high-technology company drew a personal salute from the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) chief, Dr VK Saraswat, in Bangalore today. The SME, Accord Software & Systems, handed over to the DRDO chief a high tech satellite navigation system --- a tiny box, two inches across and a quarter inch high --- that will go into aircraft and tanks, telling them exactly where they are, accurate to 3 metres.

Satellite navigation has been around since the 1990s. The US Pentagon’s Global Positioning System (GPS) is a constellation of some 30 satellites, which tell users their location, altitude and time. The GPS has a commercial signal that is accurate to about 30 metres, which is available to anyone with a GPS receiver. It also has a military signal, accessible only through a secure “precision code,” that is accurate to just one metre. That signal navigates high-precision US weaponry, like the Tomahawk cruise missile, which finds its way across hundreds of kilometers to a particular room in a specified house, flying in through a designated window.

Since the closely guarded GPS “precision code” is available only to the US military, the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) has found a way to improve the commercial signal. Called GAGAN, the acronym for “GPS And Geo-Augmented Navigation”, this uses ISRO satellites to augment the GPS commercial signal, allowing users to determine their position with an accuracy of 3 metres.

Now Accord Software has packed the power of GAGAN into the pint-sized chip that it handed over to the DRDO today. This will power into the navigation systems of indigenous military systems --- including tanks, infantry combat vehicles, aircraft, helicopters, and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) --- that India is developing.

The G3OM, as Accord Software calls its tiny 17-gram module, also harnesses the power of GLONASS, a Russian version of the GPS. The G3OM picks up signals from GPS, GLONASS and GAGAN satellites, integrating all three into an accurate readout. It is built with two antennae so that even when a tank or a UAV is moving, at least one antenna is receiving satellite signals, allowing unbroken navigation signals.

“The G3OM module that Accord developed meets all the specifications that we laid out. It is small, light, rugged enough for military use, and consumes barely any power. Accord has made it to DRDO requirements, but the core technologies are Accord’s,” says Satheesh Reddy, the DRDO scientist who heads its navigation division.

Reddy is confident the G3OM will also be snapped up by ISRO, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), the three services, and will break into selected export markets. He believes private sector companies that are developing systems like the Future Infantry Combat Vehicle, will find the G3OM crucial while developing its land navigation system.

When GAGAN becomes fully operational next year, it will be a boon for civilian airliners over the Indian landmass. Other Space Based Augmentation Systems (SBAS) like GAGAN are functional elsewhere. Over the United States, commercial airliners navigate with the help of a Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS), developed by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), which provides an accuracy of 3 metres. Similar augmentation systems are operational over Europe and Japan. When GAGAN is fully operational it will provide an equivalent system over India.

India has been involved in extended negotiations with Russia for obtaining the “precision code” for its GLONASS system, an alternative to GPS. This would provide Indian weapon systems with the navigational accuracy that US and Russian systems enjoy. But the Russian system has been mired in delay. Russia’s economic crisis in the 1990s prevented that country from launching enough satellites needed for the GLONASS constellation. Only last year, after Prime Minister Putin’s personal push, was the full constellation established.

But Russia remains unwilling to provide India with the “precision code”, although the two countries have signed joint statements about working together on GLONASS. MoD sources tell Business Standard that the matter remains “under discussion”.
Broadsword: Satellite navigation breakthrough for aircraft and weapons
 
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@Dreamreaper A crucial breakthrough by a small high-technology company drew a personal salute from the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) chief, Dr VK Saraswat, in Bangalore today. The SME, Accord Software & Systems, handed over to the DRDO chief a high tech satellite navigation system --- a tiny box, two inches across and a quarter inch high --- that will go into aircraft and tanks, telling them exactly where they are, accurate to 3 metres.

Satellite navigation has been around since the 1990s. The US Pentagon’s Global Positioning System (GPS) is a constellation of some 30 satellites, which tell users their location, altitude and time. The GPS has a commercial signal that is accurate to about 30 metres, which is available to anyone with a GPS receiver. It also has a military signal, accessible only through a secure “precision code,” that is accurate to just one metre. That signal navigates high-precision US weaponry, like the Tomahawk cruise missile, which finds its way across hundreds of kilometers to a particular room in a specified house, flying in through a designated window.

Since the closely guarded GPS “precision code” is available only to the US military, the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) has found a way to improve the commercial signal. Called GAGAN, the acronym for “GPS And Geo-Augmented Navigation”, this uses ISRO satellites to augment the GPS commercial signal, allowing users to determine their position with an accuracy of 3 metres.

Now Accord Software has packed the power of GAGAN into the pint-sized chip that it handed over to the DRDO today. This will power into the navigation systems of indigenous military systems --- including tanks, infantry combat vehicles, aircraft, helicopters, and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) --- that India is developing.

The G3OM, as Accord Software calls its tiny 17-gram module, also harnesses the power of GLONASS, a Russian version of the GPS. The G3OM picks up signals from GPS, GLONASS and GAGAN satellites, integrating all three into an accurate readout. It is built with two antennae so that even when a tank or a UAV is moving, at least one antenna is receiving satellite signals, allowing unbroken navigation signals.

“The G3OM module that Accord developed meets all the specifications that we laid out. It is small, light, rugged enough for military use, and consumes barely any power. Accord has made it to DRDO requirements, but the core technologies are Accord’s,” says Satheesh Reddy, the DRDO scientist who heads its navigation division.

Reddy is confident the G3OM will also be snapped up by ISRO, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), the three services, and will break into selected export markets. He believes private sector companies that are developing systems like the Future Infantry Combat Vehicle, will find the G3OM crucial while developing its land navigation system.

When GAGAN becomes fully operational next year, it will be a boon for civilian airliners over the Indian landmass. Other Space Based Augmentation Systems (SBAS) like GAGAN are functional elsewhere. Over the United States, commercial airliners navigate with the help of a Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS), developed by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), which provides an accuracy of 3 metres. Similar augmentation systems are operational over Europe and Japan. When GAGAN is fully operational it will provide an equivalent system over India.

India has been involved in extended negotiations with Russia for obtaining the “precision code” for its GLONASS system, an alternative to GPS. This would provide Indian weapon systems with the navigational accuracy that US and Russian systems enjoy. But the Russian system has been mired in delay. Russia’s economic crisis in the 1990s prevented that country from launching enough satellites needed for the GLONASS constellation. Only last year, after Prime Minister Putin’s personal push, was the full constellation established.

But Russia remains unwilling to provide India with the “precision code”, although the two countries have signed joint statements about working together on GLONASS. MoD sources tell Business Standard that the matter remains “under discussion”.
Broadsword: Satellite navigation breakthrough for aircraft and weapons

This article is about GAGAN not IRNSS..
Both are entirely Different

Please help me to understand, whenever INDIANS comes with some developments news about INDIA, PAKISTANI guys used to jump in with some CHINESE stuffs…. Why this much bankrupt thinking….????
Its a common practice to compare a new system with an existing one...Nothing wrong with that...
 
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This article is about GAGAN not IRNSS..
Both are entirely Different

A crucial breakthrough by a small high-technology company drew a personal salute from the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) chief, Dr VK Saraswat, in Bangalore today. The SME, Accord Software & Systems, handed over to the DRDO chief a high tech satellite navigation system --- a tiny box, two inches across and a quarter inch high --- that will go into aircraft and tanks, telling them exactly where they are, accurate to 3 metres.

Satellite navigation has been around since the 1990s. The US Pentagon’s Global Positioning System (GPS) is a constellation of some 30 satellites, which tell users their location, altitude and time. The GPS has a commercial signal that is accurate to about 30 metres, which is available to anyone with a GPS receiver. It also has a military signal, accessible only through a secure “precision code,” that is accurate to just one metre. That signal navigates high-precision US weaponry, like the Tomahawk cruise missile, which finds its way across hundreds of kilometers to a particular room in a specified house, flying in through a designated window.

Since the closely guarded GPS “precision code” is available only to the US military, the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) has found a way to improve the commercial signal. Called GAGAN, the acronym for “GPS And Geo-Augmented Navigation”, this uses ISRO satellites to augment the GPS commercial signal, allowing users to determine their position with an accuracy of 3 metres.

Now Accord Software has packed the power of GAGAN into the pint-sized chip that it handed over to the DRDO today. This will power into the navigation systems of indigenous military systems --- including tanks, infantry combat vehicles, aircraft, helicopters, and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) --- that India is developing.

The G3OM, as Accord Software calls its tiny 17-gram module, also harnesses the power of GLONASS, a Russian version of the GPS. The G3OM picks up signals from GPS, GLONASS and GAGAN satellites, integrating all three into an accurate readout. It is built with two antennae so that even when a tank or a UAV is moving, at least one antenna is receiving satellite signals, allowing unbroken navigation signals. Did u read this part?

“The G3OM module that Accord developed meets all the specifications that we laid out. It is small, light, rugged enough for military use, and consumes barely any power. Accord has made it to DRDO requirements, but the core technologies are Accord’s,” says Satheesh Reddy, the DRDO scientist who heads its navigation division.

Reddy is confident the G3OM will also be snapped up by ISRO, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), the three services, and will break into selected export markets. He believes private sector companies that are developing systems like the Future Infantry Combat Vehicle, will find the G3OM crucial while developing its land navigation system.

When GAGAN becomes fully operational next year, it will be a boon for civilian airliners over the Indian landmass. Other Space Based Augmentation Systems (SBAS) like GAGAN are functional elsewhere. Over the United States, commercial airliners navigate with the help of a Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS), developed by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), which provides an accuracy of 3 metres. Similar augmentation systems are operational over Europe and Japan. When GAGAN is fully operational it will provide an equivalent system over India.

India has been involved in extended negotiations with Russia for obtaining the “precision code” for its GLONASS system, an alternative to GPS. This would provide Indian weapon systems with the navigational accuracy that US and Russian systems enjoy. But the Russian system has been mired in delay. Russia’s economic crisis in the 1990s prevented that country from launching enough satellites needed for the GLONASS constellation. Only last year, after Prime Minister Putin’s personal push, was the full constellation established.

But Russia remains unwilling to provide India with the “precision code”, although the two countries have signed joint statements about working together on GLONASS. MoD sources tell Business Standard that the matter remains “under discussion”.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...h-india-s-own-gps-begins-3.html#ixzz2WinZWzHR
 
Except for govt/military use, can someone elaborate where it would be used for, commercially?

First IRNSS will always be a reliable "Redundant" system for Indian Military use....In case of a war if Americans and Russians decide to pull the plug on their Positioning system..Indian Armed forces wont be lost sheep,they will have their own system..
Development of software and hardware for integration into Missiles and other weapons and military vehicles will take time,but will be more than enough usage of the money spent on the project..

I am unaware if the existing Reference stations for GAGAN have IRNSS receivers or not??
But if the existing reference stations can transmit correction for IRNSS too then the system can be used for land surveying,as such corrected signal can have accuracy in centimetres...

The thing is once you have your own satellite constellation up in the space the usage is bound only by imagination and how much the country can develop Software and hardware for various applications of the system..

As a food for thought..GPS and Beidou both are being used for weather Forecast by a process called
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_occultation

Now who could guess satellites could be used this way???
 
The G3OM, as Accord Software calls its tiny 17-gram module, also harnesses the power of GLONASS, a Russian version of the GPS. The G3OM picks up signals from GPS, GLONASS and GAGAN satellites, integrating all three into an accurate readout. It is built with two antennae so that even when a tank or a UAV is moving, at least one antenna is receiving satellite signals, allowing unbroken navigation signals. Did u read this part?
Yes i read that part ...
It doesn't say the system will enhance IRNSS signal too..It will only enhance GPS signal and GLONASS...
 
Yes i read that part ...
It doesn't say the system will enhance IRNSS signal too..It will only enhance GPS signal and GLONASS...

What I am trying to tell you is that we too have the technology not just the Chinese and its not a big deal.
 
As a food for thought..GPS and Beidou both are being used for weather Forecast by a process called
Radio occultation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now who could guess satellites could be used this way???

I specifically mentioned, not military or govt use!

Commercial, like in gps devices, mobiles etc. Or as you mentioned, weather forecast. Though I agree with you, usage is bound by imagination.
 
Yes i read that part ...
It doesn't say the system will enhance IRNSS signal too..It will only enhance GPS signal and GLONASS...

It doesn't enhance signals. what it does is, improves the position accuracy by reading out from 3 different signals. SO in the scenario where the receiver is not getting optimal signal strengthen, it can still accurately predict the position by using error corrections based on 3 different signals.
 

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