khanasifm
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And that's the whole point..Pak sucks at diplomacy..trust me if we had done ..or still pursue in right diplomatic efforts we can convince russkies to allow china the sale of j-11..it all depends on your effort...and Pak is really pathetic at these efforts.If we play our cards right and bring up the cash, there should be no reason why we can't get them.
And as I said in my previous post, air to air comes into play after you have captured territory. Before that, forget about deep strikes inside India.
or still pursue in right diplomatic efforts we can convince russkies to allow china the sale of j-11..it all depends on your effort...and Pak is really pathetic at these efforts.
FC-31's fate is still uncertain to some extent
And that's the whole point..Pak sucks at diplomacy..trust me if we had done ..or still pursue in right diplomatic efforts we can convince russkies to allow china the sale of j-11..it all depends on your effort...and Pak is really pathetic at these efforts.
As for..Air-to-air is concerned, we need it bcoz this time indians will try to be offensive and enter our territory...so we need to stop them and only way is to shoot them..there is no alternative
how can u leave china out of such effort....to convince russia...if Pak hasn't involved china yet..then i deem it as a stupid move.You just never know we might have been doing it for the last 2 years or so but Russians seemed reluctant or they might be asking us to buy from them directly. Though Pak-Russia relations has improved a bit but still India does have some influence over them. So to me, Pakistan should vehemently ask China to convince them if we really want their tech in our inventory.
I know they can..but do u think..is it a reliable idea to put all your hopes on SAM system in modern netcentric warfare???@Centurion2016
You are very bad at quoting.
Anyway, do a search for Block 52 radar and KLJV2 radar. They are both neck and neck. Mechanical steering actually increases the scan angle and is even used in Gripen.
Your idea of 'world beating' isidplaced. You don't want a 'world beating' platform that wins a paper war, you want a lethal platform that can go head to head against other fighter jets in the world and achieve kills. And Thunder is that platform today. Masha Allah. Alhamdulillah.
Recently the news cropped up that PAF has rejected SU-35 because of no AESA radar. There are definitely efforts going on behind the scenes.
You can shoot the plane down using S-400. With A-100 you can jam them to make them ineffective as well. It is a lethal combination.
how can we buy directly from russia?
You have gotten from MNNA only that which foreign powers wanted to give you. Now whether it was achieved by them creating hurdles, or through collusion of our own officials, is debatable. But you could not have gotten more even if you wanted to. Sit back and think. The America who is backing the potty mouthed diatribe of its two darlings India and Afghanistan, the Australia that is providing nuclear fuel to India while completely shutting its eyes to India's blatant disregard of any limits to nuclear accretion, the France that is providing nuclear submarines, were they ever going to do a good turn to us? The great game is only now unfolding and even then we are blind to its aims and objectives. I'll make a very controversial statement: it was in Pakistan's best interests if America remained involved in Syria forever. Now that Syria is getting wrapped up, America is shifting its full focus to Afghanistan. Long story short, you could not have, and you will not, get any meaningful weapons from Western countries. Hats off to PAF for negotiating with Italy, Spain and Britain. They have been working under severe limitations to bring this nations the best they could achieve.
We could, and we did. You are seeing the result. If you think you could pump 3.5 billion dollars in 2004 - and please remember the state of Pakistan's industrial maturity in 2004 - and 15 years later have a 4.5 gen fighter ready to take over the world, then unfortunately you are severely mistaken. Sit, and think on just one aspect: the jet engine. Which country would be agreeable to let you use their jet engine? The real world gave us its answer in the form of RD-93. That's it. That's all you could get. Come down from cloud 9 and face the reality. This is all we were always going to get. It doesn't get any better than this.
Who says we want to keep only 70 odd Vipers? We want more. And we want other aircraft as well.
And they aren't "70 odd" Vipers today. They have been MLUed from Turkey, we have acquired indigenous capability to maintain them, and funnily enough, we learnt recently that AGM-65 has been integrated on Thunder.
The point being?
It's OK to level constructive criticism on the forces. Constructive criticism is the lifeblood of any forward thinking, progressive nation. The forces are manned by humans like us. They make mistakes. As long as we learn from them we should be OK.
Our lack of expertise in electronics today is a blunder of the same magnitude, as it would be if we hadn't started our nuclear programme in the 1970s. Or if we didn't have POF and HIT today. None of this has private involement at a large scale right? I mean, individual companies supply parts, but the overall initiative is that of the armed forces. We needed a similar initiative in the realm of electronics and radar. Today it is limiting our forces in a manner that cannot be quantified.
And we can't even say that today's situation is because of lack of vision. People like Ghulam Ishaque Khan, Agha Hasan Abidi were true visionaries. IF, GIKI had been supported and continued towards the original aims envisioned by GIK, we would have been an advanced industrialized nation today. It was absolute treason of the highest order to let GIKI become just one more useless university. I want to cry as I write this.
I don't think you got me correctly. I am saying PAF should buy these aircraft. Our pilots are creative enough to learn the platform thoroughly in a few years.
Nothing should be ruled out. PAF people are smart enough to realize the threats they are facing and what steps they need to take to neutralize them.
I know they can..but do u think..is it a reliable idea to put all your hopes on SAM system in modern netcentric warfare???
There are two theatres of concern: land and sea.
For both Eastern and Western flanks, ramping up Thunder production, plus limited SU-35s, plus A-100 and S-400 would make as formidable. A force to be reckoned with.
For the naval theatre, 2-3 squadrons of SU-35s would allow us to project power deep into the Arabian sea. This needs to be paired with better SAM coverage for our naval assets. Also, we will need AEWACS like A-100 for the naval theatre as well.
Unfortunately, available funds do not allow for this to happen. So my approximation is:
1. Ramp up production of Thunder. Involve Saudi by setting up manufacturing there in addition to PAC.
2. Limited numbers of SU-35s with AESA radars.
3. A-100, at least 1.
4. S-400 at least 2 systems.
What advantages will A-100 bring that you currently don’t have with the Erieyes?
But fighters are big ticket tems with atleast 2-3 squardons..not only 4just like we bought Mi-35s from them
how much effective coverage we will get with only 2 S-400..and how many missiles 1 system carries?There are two theatres of concern: land and sea.
For both Eastern and Western flanks, ramping up Thunder production, plus limited SU-35s, plus A-100 and S-400 would make as formidable. A force to be reckoned with.
For the naval theatre, 2-3 squadrons of SU-35s would allow us to project power deep into the Arabian sea. This needs to be paired with better SAM coverage for our naval assets. Also, we will need AEWACS like A-100 for the naval theatre as well.
Unfortunately, available funds do not allow for this to happen. So my approximation is:
1. Ramp up production of Thunder. Involve Saudi by setting up manufacturing there in addition to PAC.
2. Limited numbers of SU-35s with AESA radars.
3. A-100, at least 1.
4. S-400 at least 2 systems.