Contract for 13 Su-57 fifth-generation fighter jets to be signed in 2020

[Kailash Kumar]

Contract for 13 Su-57 fifth-generation fighter jets to be signed in 2020 — source

The first contract envisages the delivery of two fifth-generation aircraft in 2019-2020

January 16

Su-57 fighter jets

MOSCOW, January 16. /TASS/. The second contract to manufacture 13 Su-57 fighter jets for the Russian Aerospace Forces is to be signed next year, a source in Russia’s aircraft-making industry told TASS on Wednesday.

"In 2020, we plan to sign the second contract to manufacture and deliver 13 Su-57 fighter jets, some of them equipped with the second-stage engines," he said. "The preliminary timeframe for the new contract is five years."

The first contract envisages the delivery of two fifth-generation aircraft in 2019-2020.

"In line with the contract signed in 2018, one serial Su-57 jet with first-stage engines will be delivered to the Aerospace Forces this year, the other aircraft featuring the same type of engine - in 2020."

The aircraft’s manufacturer, the United Aircraft Corporation, refrained from commenting on the report.

The Su-57 is a fifth-generation multirole fighter designed to destroy all types of air targets at long and short ranges and hit enemy ground and naval targets, overcoming its air defense capabilities.

The Su-57 took to the skies for the first time on January 29, 2010. Compared to its predecessors, the Su-57 combines the functions of an attack plane and a fighter jet while the use of composite materials and innovation technologies and the fighter’s aerodynamic configuration ensure the low level of radar and infrared signature.

The aircraft has been successfully tested in Syria.

http://tass.com/defense/1040167

 

[Deino]

IMO completely unlikely.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

So 12 signed last year + another 13 in 2020 = 25 planes. Not too shabby. I think they'll eventually buy about 60 planes.

 

[Cell_DbZ]

o 12 signed last year + another 13 in 2020 = 25 planes. Not too shabby. I think they'll eventually buy about 60 planes.

The article itself (a Russian sate-owned outlet no less) states that there will be only 2 jets before 2020 and after that they will order 13, putting the total to 12, not 25.

IMO completely unlikely.

In what sense? them ordering just 13 jets or the jet fighter never going to be mass-produced? I don't think them getting just 13 is that much of a stretch.

It seems to me that the Russian are going to take their sweet time with it, as they should. They are in dire need of new transport, tanker, bomber and AWACS aircraft after all and they can't do all at the same time due to their economy.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

The article itself (a Russian sate-owned outlet no less) states that there will be only 2 jets before 2020 and after that they will order 13, putting the total to 12, not 25.

This is second contract of 13. The first contract of 12 was signed last year. So total 25 so far.

 

[Cell_DbZ]

This is second contract of 13. The first contract of 12 was signed last year. So total 25 so far.

The very first sentence of your own article states this: "The first contract envisages the delivery of two fifth-generation aircraft in 2019-2020"

and later your own source states :"In 2020, we plan to sign the second contract to manufacture and deliver 13 Su-57 fighter jets, some of them equipped with the second-stage engines,"

So the 2+13 = 15.
Not so hard to read and do basic maths.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

The very first sentence of your own article states this: "The first contract envisages the delivery of two fifth-generation aircraft in 2019-2020"

2 of the 12 in the first contract to be delivered this year. I don't see any contraction. These 2 are part of the first contract of 12. The second contract is 13. First contract + second contract = 12 + 13 = 25.

Anyway, this source makes it clear.

https://www.janes.com/article/85828...fence-to-order-13-more-su-57s-for-vks-in-2020

They never do a contract of 2 planes. Each contract is for at least a dozen planes.

 

[Cell_DbZ]

2 of the 12 in the first contract to be delivered this year.

The source you provided, does not state any of that, in fact it confirms what I have been saying it says:"Regarding the first contract for delivery of the first two Su-57s to the service in 2019 and 2020, respectively,".

The Russians initially planned (planned=/= ordered) 12 jets in the first contract, but they only ordered 2 of them, now the second contract gets them 13; thus 2+13 = 15.

Anyway, this source makes it clear.

Would you point out exactly where the source confirms the first contract is 12 jets and not 2 if you are so sure?

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

The source you provided, does not state any of that, in fact it confirms what I have been saying it says:"Regarding the first contract for delivery of the first two Su-57s to the service in 2019 and 2020, respectively,".

The Russians initially planned (planned=/= ordered) 12 jets in the first contract, but they only ordered 2 of them, now the second contract gets them 13; thus 2+13 = 15.


Would you point out exactly where the source confirms the first contract is 12 jets and not 2 if you are so sure?

That is implied. The first contract was 12 planes. These 2 planes are part of that 12.

https://www.janes.com/article/81484/russia-signs-contract-for-first-12-su-57-multirole-fighters

 

[Cell_DbZ]

That is implied. The first contract was 12 planes. These 2 planes are part of that 12.

There's absolutely no implication of the first contract being 12 instead of 2, only that initially Russia wanting 12, ultimately having to settle at 2. Multiple sources (including Russian state media) stated that first contract is 2, not 12. You provided an older source than your first one, the newer one stating 2 for the first contract and not 12.

It may be that the second contract is an extention of the first, so initially 2 then 13 added later, thus 15 su-57 contracted in total. Again planned =/= contracted.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

There's absolutely no implication of the first contract being 12 instead of 2, only that initially Russia wanting 12, ultimately having to settle at 2. Multiple sources (including Russian state media) stated that first contract is 2, not 12. You provided an older source than your first one, the newer one stating 2 for the first contract and not 12.

It may be that the second contract is an extention of the first, so initially 2 then 13 added later, thus 15 su-57 contracted in total. Again planned =/= contracted.

The first contract is 12 planes, not 2 planes.

The 12 planes in the first contract are not delivered all in one go. The first is delivered this year. Another one next year. The other 10 after next year.

 

[Cell_DbZ]

The first contract is 12 planes, not 2 planes.

The 12 planes in the first contract are not delivered all in one go. The first is delivered this year. Another one next year. The other 10 after next year.

There's a contract for 2 not 12, simple as that, as long it is not stated that there are 12 in the first contract, then your interpretation is inaccurate.

I won't bother to respond as you seem to be either having serious comprehension issues or trolling.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

There's a contract for 2 not 12, simple as that, as long it is not stated that there are 12 in the first contract, then your interpretation is inaccurate.

I won't bother to respond as you seem to be either having serious comprehension issues or trolling.

Believe what you want.