Contingency

[khansaheeb]

Oops..sorry. Please don't maul us!

Behave badly and we will give you a mauling:-

 

[Maarkhoor]

Is there a plan somewhere in MoD or the tri services that prepares us for the worst case scenario. If for some reason Pakistan/it's armed forces are over-run by the enemy. In this case is there a plan to establish and run a covert resistance group like the Afghan Taliban or French resistance.

In such a scenario how can patriot Pakistanis and patriot muslim ummatis join the cause against India?

How can we enter Pakistan to join the fight bcz air space is closed in wartime?

How can local and overseas Pakistanis support the fight against India through logistical and monetary means? Through soft power as well perhaps?

Afterall, Soviets were defeated through muslims all over the world uniting against atheist soviets in Afghanistan, Chechniya and Bosnia. This won't become a Syria like situation bcz Deash/ISIS was a US/Israeli creation to lure muslims into a fake "caliphate" and to their slaughter eventually. And in our case one side is Pakistan and on other side is mushrik India and it's evil allies.

YES we do have a small but well organized, experienced, lethal military. But this thread is only for discussing backup/contingency plan for Pakistani people and the armed forces. Because I have a very strong feeling that if India attacks. There will be heavy support to India from the super-powers especially US and Israel and their proxies included.

@StormBreaker @Retired Troll et al

Before that we push Nuclear button and there will be no country in our neighborhood.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Unlike India there are weapons in almost every Pakistani household. And an average Pakistani knows how to use a weapons better than an average indian. Also unlike India pakistan has far well trained and experienced gun smiths who can mass produce guns and bullets not equally good as Indian army guns but enough to defend and blow some brains out of Indian army soldiers.
So in case of any invasion every galli and mohallah of any city will become a graveyard for a invader.In simple words they will have to fight not just with the armed forces but with the whole nation.An army of 22 crore.

Behave badly and we will give you a mauling:-
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Now that's how a humiliated and defeated face looks like
He entered in pakistan as a man but left as a enunch .

 

[BringHarmony]

Before that we push Nuclear button and there will be no country in our neighborhood.

Its the other way round actually. There will be no Pakistan left, literally. Even with 200 low yield weapons that you have max you can kill is 200-300 millions. Its more a question of Geography and size.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Its the other way round actually. There will be no Pakistan left, literally. Even with 200 low yield weapons that you have max you can kill is 200-300 millions. Its more a question of Geography and size.

ok what next you indian

 

[Hayreddin]

Is there a plan somewhere in MoD or the tri services that prepares us for the worst case scenario. If for some reason Pakistan/it's armed forces are over-run by the enemy. In this case is there a plan to establish and run a covert resistance group like the Afghan Taliban or French resistance.

In such a scenario how can patriot Pakistanis and patriot muslim ummatis join the cause against India?

How can we enter Pakistan to join the fight bcz air space is closed in wartime?

How can local and overseas Pakistanis support the fight against India through logistical and monetary means? Through soft power as well perhaps?

Afterall, Soviets were defeated through muslims all over the world uniting against atheist soviets in Afghanistan, Chechniya and Bosnia. This won't become a Syria like situation bcz Deash/ISIS was a US/Israeli creation to lure muslims into a fake "caliphate" and to their slaughter eventually. And in our case one side is Pakistan and on other side is mushrik India and it's evil allies.

YES we do have a small but well organized, experienced, lethal military. But this thread is only for discussing backup/contingency plan for Pakistani people and the armed forces. Because I have a very strong feeling that if India attacks. There will be heavy support to India from the super-powers especially US and Israel and their proxies included.

@StormBreaker @Retired Troll et al

Lets assume some "if" and thn analyse those on reality ground.
Pakistan can be over run by enemy if attacked from two sides east n west .
Pakistan lacks the depth , big cities are near eastern border and so are the military installations .
Lets take nuclear out of equation and assume a scenerio where enemy has already breached front lines and are in big cities . And to achieve that assume india have full air cover of US from western border plus ground attack by hostile afghan army plus indian cover agents .
1: pakistan is the pioneer in modern proxy warefare in such large scale , Afghan war , soviet defeated . Logistics , manpower , training , strategic planning was done by pak armed forces and ISI and it was successful operation .outcome was defeated and disintegrated soviet .
2 : pakistan has fought assymtrical 4 gen urban warefare for almost 1.5 decades and outcome : Succefull .
3 : assuming IA enter main cities in pakistan , thn what ??? Indian Army has no experience of fighting urban warfare , they lack those startegic maneurs and planning in which US got maturity in decades , outcome wld be Pak cities wld be graveyard of IA divisions .
4: pakistani nation got hard training of coping difficult times in last 15 yrs of terrorism , without electricity, losing 100 k lives , 70 % popluation in rural areas are on self reliance and survive hard times , etc... so nation wld be able to survive after getting strong blow .
5 : In weeks not if in days , situation wld turn in pak favor , India wont be able to sustain heavy losses militarily and economically .and IA wld eventually retreat
6 : and if at that point pak wld get external miliatry and financial aid from china , turkey other countries . They will push the war toward indian sides and forst blow wld be kashmir side . As pak got more trained reserves thn india in form of tribalmen , jihadi youth from whole country , the war wld continue on indian side from long period and result wld be India wld be losing its territory on Internstional borders plus kashmir side .

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Finally someone who simply doesn't brush off the hypothetical scenario.

Lets assume some "if" and thn analyse those on reality ground.
Pakistan can be over run by enemy if attacked from two sides east n west .
Pakistan lacks the depth , big cities are near eastern border and so are the military installations .
Lets take nuclear out of equation and assume a scenerio where enemy has already breached front lines and are in big cities . And to achieve that assume india have full air cover of US from western border plus ground attack by hostile afghan army plus indian cover agents .
1: pakistan is the pioneer in modern proxy warefare in such large scale , Afghan war , soviet defeated . Logistics , manpower , training , strategic planning was done by pak armed forces and ISI and it was successful operation .outcome was defeated and disintegrated soviet .
2 : pakistan has fought assymtrical 4 gen urban warefare for almost 1.5 decades and outcome : Succefull .
3 : assuming IA enter main cities in pakistan , thn what ??? Indian Army has no experience of fighting urban warfare , they lack those startegic maneurs and planning in which US got maturity in decades , outcome wld be Pak cities wld be graveyard of IA divisions .
4: pakistani nation got hard training of coping difficult times in last 15 yrs of terrorism , without electricity, losing 100 k lives , 70 % popluation in rural areas are on self reliance and survive hard times , etc... so nation wld be able to survive after getting strong blow .
5 : In weeks not if in days , situation wld turn in pak favor , India wont be able to sustain heavy losses militarily and economically .and IA wld eventually retreat
6 : and if at that point pak wld get external miliatry and financial aid from china , turkey other countries . They will push the war toward indian sides and forst blow wld be kashmir side . As pak got more trained reserves thn india in form of tribalmen , jihadi youth from whole country , the war wld continue on indian side from long period and result wld be India wld be losing its territory on Internstional borders plus kashmir side .

 

[FuturePAF]

Is there a plan somewhere in MoD or the tri services that prepares us for the worst case scenario. If for some reason Pakistan/it's armed forces are over-run by the enemy. In this case is there a plan to establish and run a covert resistance group like the Afghan Taliban or French resistance.

In such a scenario how can patriot Pakistanis and patriot muslim ummatis join the cause against India?

How can we enter Pakistan to join the fight bcz air space is closed in wartime?

How can local and overseas Pakistanis support the fight against India through logistical and monetary means? Through soft power as well perhaps?

Afterall, Soviets were defeated through muslims all over the world uniting against atheist soviets in Afghanistan, Chechniya and Bosnia. This won't become a Syria like situation bcz Deash/ISIS was a US/Israeli creation to lure muslims into a fake "caliphate" and to their slaughter eventually. And in our case one side is Pakistan and on other side is mushrik India and it's evil allies.

YES we do have a small but well organized, experienced, lethal military. But this thread is only for discussing backup/contingency plan for Pakistani people and the armed forces. Because I have a very strong feeling that if India attacks. There will be heavy support to India from the super-powers especially US and Israel and their proxies included.

@StormBreaker @Retired Troll et al

Economic Development, and entangling our Economy with those of other nations, such that we supply crucial raw materials and finished products that are vital to other countries is the best way to deter Indian threats.

CPEC is one way Pakistan is already doing this, but expanding this to Arab investments, European and American Investments.

Secondly, Pakistan is building up its strategic forces quietly. They are the contingency that are barely spoken of but well known to the Indians, which is why they limit their threats to "cold Start" type of operations.

Finally in the event of a massive invasion force in, Gilgit Baltistan, for example, the road networks being developed will allow a large number of people to flood the valleys with armed fighters ready to take on the enemy.

Logistics will determine the outcome of any invasion and defense strategy, more than any other factor.
If Pakistan has a strong economy at that point, it can ask for a large shipment of Chinese and Turkish arms by air and by sea, similar to the Arab-Israeli war of 1973, and counter act any major shortage of arms.

 

[Signalian]

Lets assume some "if" and thn analyse those on reality ground.
Pakistan can be over run by enemy if attacked from two sides east n west .
Pakistan lacks the depth , big cities are near eastern border and so are the military installations .
Lets take nuclear out of equation and assume a scenerio where enemy has already breached front lines and are in big cities . And to achieve that assume india have full air cover of US from western border plus ground attack by hostile afghan army plus indian cover agents .
1: pakistan is the pioneer in modern proxy warefare in such large scale , Afghan war , soviet defeated . Logistics , manpower , training , strategic planning was done by pak armed forces and ISI and it was successful operation .outcome was defeated and disintegrated soviet .
2 : pakistan has fought assymtrical 4 gen urban warefare for almost 1.5 decades and outcome : Succefull .
3 : assuming IA enter main cities in pakistan , thn what ??? Indian Army has no experience of fighting urban warfare , they lack those startegic maneurs and planning in which US got maturity in decades , outcome wld be Pak cities wld be graveyard of IA divisions .
4: pakistani nation got hard training of coping difficult times in last 15 yrs of terrorism , without electricity, losing 100 k lives , 70 % popluation in rural areas are on self reliance and survive hard times , etc... so nation wld be able to survive after getting strong blow .
5 : In weeks not if in days , situation wld turn in pak favor , India wont be able to sustain heavy losses militarily and economically .and IA wld eventually retreat
6 : and if at that point pak wld get external miliatry and financial aid from china , turkey other countries . They will push the war toward indian sides and forst blow wld be kashmir side . As pak got more trained reserves thn india in form of tribalmen , jihadi youth from whole country , the war wld continue on indian side from long period and result wld be India wld be losing its territory on Internstional borders plus kashmir side .

Civilians have no discipline of gun battle in a war scenario. Can't take orders, won't stand and fight.

 

[araz]

Lol, There is 0.00000% chance of this happening...

You are giving indians more credit than they distantly deserve.

Have you ever met one ?

Do not ever underestimate your enemy. Nothing is impossible. Even if they do not take over and we are Nuked in 3 core areas the state of Pakistan may yet seize to exist. There maybe people left alive but then how do we fight back? It is a worthy question and we need to look into it seriously. It may not just be India. It could be a league of 80 nations.
A

 

[jaibi]

Gave you a positive rating for asking this question, it's good.
Simply put we don't have one plan but a many of them given the exact scenario we face. You saw the coord between PAF and PA recently. It's top notch. When things turn sour, our boys know exactly what to do. As far as COIN ops are concerned, I think, our forces are now battle hardened and know what to do very well.

Is there a plan somewhere in MoD or the tri services that prepares us for the worst case scenario. If for some reason Pakistan/it's armed forces are over-run by the enemy. In this case is there a plan to establish and run a covert resistance group like the Afghan Taliban or French resistance.

In such a scenario how can patriot Pakistanis and patriot muslim ummatis join the cause against India?

It's wise to keep this nationalistic rather than in any other paradigm for pure realistic expectations. Other allied nations have their own problems and importing fighters is not a good idea, even if they mean well. War is a menacingly complicated thing, making it more complicated would be bad. By being a good citizen, paying your taxes and being a good ambassador, a patriot would be helping a lot.

How can we enter Pakistan to join the fight bcz air space is closed in wartime?

Staying put is a better option, save money and send it to the relief / rebuilding effort when needed. Being a professional soldier takes time and training and having a motivated but untrained crowd is not a good option for proper defense. It's not just knowing how to use a gun. Military ops are a science and an art.

How can local and overseas Pakistanis support the fight against India through logistical and monetary means? Through soft power as well perhaps?

Be a good citizen of the nation you are in. Save money, send it to the right people when the opportunity comes. Show the world we're not the belligerents but peaceful citizens who're doing what they must, not war mongering hordes like the media often portrays us.

Afterall, Soviets were defeated through muslims all over the world uniting against atheist soviets in Afghanistan, Chechniya and Bosnia. This won't become a Syria like situation bcz Deash/ISIS was a US/Israeli creation to lure muslims into a fake "caliphate" and to their slaughter eventually. And in our case one side is Pakistan and on other side is mushrik India and it's evil allies.

Important point is to take things as they are, let's not go into narratives that not everyone agrees with. When it comes to national defense all citizens should defend the nation, not their ideologies. If we have a nation, we can vote on the ideologies we want to follow. Such things hamper military operations. Political armies are usually weaker than professional armies. That doesn't mean leave your ideology, it is a part of being a citizen that you've a right to believe and work towards something but focus on the problem at hand.

YES we do have a small but well organized, experienced, lethal military. But this thread is only for discussing backup/contingency plan for Pakistani people and the armed forces. Because I have a very strong feeling that if India attacks. There will be heavy support to India from the super-powers especially US and Israel and their proxies included.

@StormBreaker @Retired Troll et al

Not entirely true, it's not in the geopolitical interest of the world to see a conflict between us. So that situation would be completely different. No human wants nuclear neighbours playing with the world's future. It's already precarious.

Regards.

Agreed. We need to expand our horizons.

Do not ever underestimate your enemy. Nothing is impossible. Even if they do not take over and we are Nuked in 3 core areas the state of Pakistan may yet seize to exist. There maybe people left alive but then how do we fight back? It is a worthy question and we need to look into it seriously. It may not just be India. It could be a league of 80 nations.
A

 

[StormBreaker]

Do not ever underestimate your enemy. Nothing is impossible. Even if they do not take over and we are Nuked in 3 core areas the state of Pakistan may yet seize to exist. There maybe people left alive but then how do we fight back? It is a worthy question and we need to look into it seriously. It may not just be India. It could be a league of 80 nations.
A

I was talking in the sense of conventional war.

Off course, a nuk war whoever fires first, will have upper hand until opponent uses second strike capability (which is quite a tough task and only on papers throughout the world with no real scenario yet).

However, as you are claiming that the attacking country will advance forces, it will have to advance carefully as to keep their forces from harm of extreme half life radiations which will be spread with the unstable particles in air.

Defeat will be upon the one that fails to second strike upon recieving blow since all the defence command and leadership as well as communications are finished.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Well US will not jump in I can assure you, because if US jump in so will China and hence the regional war will become World war

If countries starts tossing nukes at each a whole bunch of other countries will be joining in. They aren’t going to sit back and accept radioactive fallout in the skies.

 

[YeBeWarned]

If countries starts tossing nukes at each a whole bunch of other countries will be joining in. They aren’t going to sit back and accept radioactive fallout in the skies.

true .. and that is why the nuclear war or even war between two giants like Russia USA , or USA China is highly impossible .

 

[Old School]

Even if such contingency plan exists, no one will say it.