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Contextualizing Swift Retort: Surprise within, shock without

I see. It's about Imran Khan's political defence. Whereas I am showing reluctance in order to avoid what one military analyst on television referred to as 'beech chorahay main handia phori'. This was during the constitutional crises around Bajwa's extension. Also, read all of my posts on the thread, I have already provided enough material to support my claim.

You can support your argument with everything you have... there is no disagreement in this regard. What I am saying is that, once you have initiated an argument, let others speak as well. Closing down a topic is not solution until & unless, you see anyone violating Forum Rules or trying to derail the topic or merely spamming thread to harm real spirit of discussion. That's it... be it IK, Musharraf, Nawaz, Zardari, MQM, Shaikh Rasheed, ANP etc; I have no interest to discuss them in length except that when it is about Pakistan.
 
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Much ink has been split to retrace the events leading up to and following Swift Retort (SR). So far, all such efforts portray SR as a knee jerk response to Indian aggression following the Pulwama attack. In this article, I would like to contextualize SR in the larger sequence of events. This will enable us to derive the full significance of PAF's swift retort to both the Indian barb and Pakistani lethargy.
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The months, and not just days, leading up to SR saw an increasingly belligerent Indian military and air force. The bowing out of COAS General Raheel Sharif and ACM Sohail Aman brought a season change to Pakistan's outward projection of military might. The last test of any new Pakistani missile with strategic significance was of Ababeel in January 2017, shortly after Bajwa came into office. Indeed, the few months that elapsed between Bajwa's appointment and the Ababeel test do not provide any grounds for crediting Bajwa with a strategic vision. The entirety of Bajwa's legacy is filled with tests of naval cruise and surface to surface missiles of assorted types, along with tactical ballistic missile tests/exercises carried out by the Pakistan army. By mid 2018, the lack of any grandiose strategic posturing was accompanied by an almost pin drop silence from the office of the newly appointed Air Chief Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan - a gentleman and professional of the highest caliber, who believes in action on the battlefield and gelid reserve during peace.

In this backdrop, India continued an astounding accretion of strategic weapons such as nuclear submarines and strategic missiles with 5000+ km range. This was expected and in line with Indian hegemonic designs which it has openly expressed for a long time. But a surprising development was the sudden, and rather churlish, assertiveness of the loud mouthed Indian Air Force Chief B. S. Dhanoa. In presentations and statements, the Indian chief expressed readiness of his air force to fight the combined aerial might of both China and Pakistan. As we shall see, this would later provide comic relief to the rugged heights of Swift Retort.

For purposes of contextualization, we choose three significant events involving the Indian air force. The first is Exercise Gagan Shakti, in which IAF exercised its entire machinery, from logistics to fighter jets. The culmination of Gagan Shakti saw a heightened confidence in the Indian air force, with claims of 11000 sorties involving the full gamut of aircrafts at its disposal, and validation of plans to fight a two front war with both China and Pakistan. Indian journalists and political leaders were treated to low grade military pornography in the form of marquee Indian fighters dropping air to ground loads under quite unremarkable conditions.

The second event is participation of Indian air force in Exercise Pitch Black held in Australia. This was the first time IAF was participating in this particular exercise. As such, it was a chance for the newly ascendant IAF to express its relevance in international geo-politics, and send a strong signal in the rising tensions around the South China Sea. It projected India's image as a coalition partner, and reinforced the capability of India's Russian aircraft to inter-operate with Western equipment.

The third and final event of significance is COPE India 2018 held in Dec, just two months from Swift Retort. The exercise is best summarized in the words of U.S. Air Force Gen. CQ Brown, Jr., PACAF commander

“These exercise scenarios challenged us to be agile in execution, innovative in our approach and integrated in our command and control…enhancing the readiness and lethality of our Airmen and our allies and partners.”
https://www.pacaf.af.mil/News/Artic...ust-cooperation-between-us-indian-air-forces/

At this point, I invite the reader to pay special attention to COPE India 2018 held in Dec 2018, and Falcon Talon III, a joint exercise between USAF and Pakistan Air Force held in Jan 2019, a month before the events of Swift Retort. Both exercises involved large number of aircrafts from the host countries. Both exercises provided ultimate opportunity to American analysts to gauge the level of preparation of IAF and PAF. And yet, by Feb 2019, we see no change in IAF's bellicose posture. Did the Americans not share PAF capabilities with their IAF friends? Did they knowingly downplayed Pakistani capabilities? Or did IAF simply failed to on-board the information provided by the Americans? These are questions whose answers we may never know.

What we do know, is that as the early hours of Feb 26 2019 approached, the Indian media machinery was in full swing ratcheting up war hysteria in the Indian population. Television anchors were sharing military plans that seemed to have been provided to them by professional analysts. Politicians were baying for blood. And the hypocrite Modi was absorbed in nurturing his image as servant of the people, washing feet of sanitary workers. This outward display of nonchalance and unfazed composure accompanied an inner turmoil arising from pontificating upon the impact of clouds on Pakistani radars. Alas, for Modi, neither humility nor bravado would be the saving grace.

But let us look at the perceptions of PAF prior to Operation Swift Retort. The complete lack of any strategic posture by the military, the placating, soothing appeasement by the government, and an open admittance of economic disaster, combined to project a very bleak picture of the PAF. Much of the world considered PAF to be outdated and outnumbered by the IAF. The Indian propaganda machine had been successful in solidifying the image of Su-30 in the minds of everyday Pakistanis as a potent force that could rule the skies of South Asia without challenge. The PAF's absence from the Kargil conflict, and India's bold and confrontational act of shooting down an unarmed naval plane within Pakistani borders had shaped up Pakistani psyche. The American raid on Abbottabad had been the final nail in the coffin that had sealed PAF's image as being unable to protect the country's borders. The Prime Minister Imran Khan, well known for his subservience to foreign interests, and his complete illiteracy at all matters pertaining to armed conflict, would parrot whatever phrases were given to him. And much of the Pakistani military establishment viewed PAF with doubt due to the aforementioned events.

As the morning of Feb 26 approached, there were possibly only three entities in the world that had a full understanding of PAF's true capabilities. The PAF itself, the PLAAF with which PAF has conducted wide ranging exercises and which has supplied PAF with a large portion of its inventory through purchases and join ventures, and finally, the USAF which has trained PAF and given it the sharp edge of the fabled Katana. It should be noted that the case of USAF is ambiguous because PAF has (at least officially) kept its Chinese and Western capabilities compartmentalized during international exercises.

Thus, once the failed Indian airstrike had taken place, Imran Khan had absolutely no clue what he was about to unleash as he approved the proportional response by targeting but not destroying Indian targets. And Bajwa would be forced to shows his true leanings by restricting PAF Shaheens from turning the skies of Kashmir into a slaughterhouse. Indian air force was caught pants down and exposed to the world.

However the clear aerial victory was not capitalized upon. Pakistani leaders fanned Indian belligerence through appeasement and a quick and meek release of the captured Indian pilot Abhinandan. Thus, what should have been a decisive victory in the skies of Kashmir, expanded into naval staring match in which India blinked, and reports of military conflict along the Sialkot border that was blacked out from media reporting.

The aftermath of Swift Retort saw India chastised yet belligerent, and the Pakistani nation oblivious to the meek capitulation by its leaders. The uneducated nation was easily led by mere words and promises of Pakistan's 'moral supremacy'. All the while, Pakistan's vested interests were sabotaged through a comedy in the United Nations where superfluous claims of ecological terrorism were launched despite Pakistan's right to invoke the Security Council to protest the violation of its territorial sovereignty. Otherwise educated Pakistanis acted as the guardians and emissaries of the deceitful Khan, explaining away all actions as Khan's supreme leadership and magnanimous personality. The net outcome being India's abrogation of Article 370, and France, Britain, and America combining to pressurize Pakistan through FATF.

Finally, one interesting event post Swift Retort was the participation of JF-17 in the Turkish Anatolian Eagle exercise along with F-15s of the American air force. Once the Thunder had delivered the shock during Swift Retort, PAF allowed the Americans to get a first hand interaction. And for the Americans to send their air superiority fighter, with a track record of 104 to nil, is quite flattering for the Thunder.

Now that the enemy has been shocked, and traitors within Pakistan have been surprised, PAF has been given the glorious and monumental task of ensuring Pakistan's independence from foreign vendors and increasing self-reliance through innovative research. The ACM Mujahid Anwar Khan has expressed the resolve to acquire whatever technologies are needed to match India's procurements. Pakistani and Chinese air forces conducted Shaheen-VIII to on-board the lessons learnt from Swift Retort. The Chinese J-10 fighters have provided with a realistic simulation of the Rafale threat. The Rafale manufacturing factory in France has come under an espionage attack. And Pakistan's growing closeness to Qatar has opened another avenue for Pakistan to learn more about this upcoming threat.

Meanwhile, the enemy has also been active. Indian air force chief has visited Sweden, the country of origin of Pakistan's large fleet of Erieye AEWACS systems. He has also paid a visit to Egypt, another Muslim country that fields Rafales. Defence cooperation is increasing between America and India, especially in the aerospace sector. India is set to acquire American UCAVs, attack helis, and SAM system using AMRAAM missiles. India is doing everything possible to counter PAF's technical edge.

The future looks good for aerial warfare in South Asia. The purveyors of 'finest military aircraft technology' must indeed be rejoicing, even as billions of people are pushed further into poverty, and Muslims are oppressed and marginalized throughout the world.

This piece represents the personal views of the author and do not necessarily reflect those held by the PDF management.
This writer has bugze imran health condition. This condition has no fix..It is nice write but I will differ with two points..
He said Khan did not had any idea what military will unleash. I agree how a political leader knows about military things.. he was brave thats what we love about him.he tried to follow suna of Our holy Prophet(PBUH) who was always kind to his enemies.. He was kind as alf arslan who was third slujk sultan what he did with king of banzatine empire in war againt banzatine Empire when he defeated great banzatine army which had 200000 soldiers against 20,000 Soldiers of alf arslan . He captured Byzantine King alive later he has forgiven him n sent him back with respect.he was as kind as Saladin when he captured Jerusalem he has forgiven his enemies.Mr writer you need serious help.. IK brought back respect which we lost. He took 5th generation war againt india on other lavel.just chack digital divorce by White House to Modi n arab world is caling modi india Hitler nazi.. if you don't have money I can help you as your bugze imran condition is bad..
 
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I disagree on many things written in here.
However airforce will always be priority number 1 for pakistan.
 
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However the clear aerial victory was not capitalized upon. Pakistani leaders fanned Indian belligerence through appeasement and a quick and meek release of the captured Indian pilot Abhinandan. Thus, what should have been a decisive victory in the skies of Kashmir, expanded into naval staring match in which India blinked, and reports of military conflict along the Sialkot border that was blacked out from media reporting.
that's true.. IK should not have released Abhinandan till after Modi's elections.. He used Abhi as a slogan and win with huge margin.. IK miscalculated
 
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Operation swift retort was a success. But people calling it a failure, Blaming Pakistani leaders to not give a full go ahead at India and painting it a curtailed treason like scenario are people who have Indian Mindset.
You people dont understand that even if a single F7 had crashed anywhere in Pakistan even due to technical reasons the whole PR victory would have been lost. You people still dont understand Indian Media machine and bloggers? Look how they cooked up and shoved the F16 story out of thin air?
God forbad if a single PAF jet was shootdown in the face of 5 Indian jets, the PR gurus of Bharat would have twisted it in their favour.
And still i will not underestimate Indian Airforce at all. Our execution was spot on along with Concentrated mobilization. Be content that we humiliated the much larger enemy instead of underestimating them.
 
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Being an old and quiet reader on PDF, I never intended to reply on an opinion piece as i firmly believe that everyone must have right to express him/herself without any fear. But when i started reading it, my mind was changed because there lies some grave shortcomings in OP's write up and it was written on some very dangerous assumptions like Pakistani leadership (both civil and mil being treated as TRAITORS) ... So here is my counter-argument.
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The months, and not just days, leading up to SR saw an increasingly belligerent Indian military and air force. The bowing out of COAS General Raheel Sharif and ACM Sohail Aman brought a season change to Pakistan's outward projection of military might. The last test of any new Pakistani missile with strategic significance was of Ababeel in January 2017, shortly after Bajwa came into office. Indeed, the few months that elapsed between Bajwa's appointment and the Ababeel test do not provide any grounds for crediting Bajwa with a strategic vision. The entirety of Bajwa's legacy is filled with tests of naval cruise and surface to surface missiles of assorted types, along with tactical ballistic missile tests/exercises carried out by the Pakistan army. By mid 2018, the lack of any grandiose strategic posturing was accompanied by an almost pin drop silence from the office of the newly appointed Air Chief Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan - a gentleman and professional of the highest caliber, who believes in action on the battlefield and gelid reserve during peace.

This para is labor of a utterly childish attempt to paint COAS and CAS as inactive, with lack of vision and devoid of any strategic posturing. Any writer can have his views and I totally respect that but an honest writer always make clear his/her known and unknown biases or at least shape the write up in a way that reader can get to know those biases. Every one of us have those biases. Only chair, table, laptop or our cellphones are one which don't have any biases. Any brain with cognitive ability posses these biases. The bold part is something really interesting. To writer's view, it is lack of vision on part of Bajwa to have legacy filled with tests of naval cruise and surface to surface missiles of assorted types, along with ballistic missile tests/exercises carried out by the Pakistan army", for any brain who knows S of strategic would have said, Shukar Al Hamdolillah that finally our army is realizing something it has failed to realized hitherto. And what is that realization? That realization is knowing the fact that in this age and time, naval warfare is of paramount importance perhaps more important than land warfare for nations who are located in such a contested geography as Indian Ocean/Arabian Sea. Pakistan Army is finally realizing that in order to achieve full-spectrum deterrence, it is essential for sister forces to have enhanced strike capability along with pure defense capability just like army has (in form of 2 strike corps) and this is why lately we are witnessing investment in both PAF and PN unlike anything in our history. I don't want to indulge into details of future planning of both forces as anyone interested can go on internet and read about it. That underline sentence is nothing less than a circular argument. So what does OP want from a gentleman professional of highest caliber? Empty Bravado like that his Indian counterpart? If that's not the case, I failed to understand the need of this sentence there.

But let us look at the perceptions of PAF prior to Operation Swift Retort. The complete lack of any strategic posture by the military, the placating, soothing appeasement by the government, and an open admittance of economic disaster, combined to project a very bleak picture of the PAF. Much of the world considered PAF to be outdated and outnumbered by the IAF. The Indian propaganda machine had been successful in solidifying the image of Su-30 in the minds of everyday Pakistanis as a potent force that could rule the skies of South Asia without challenge. The PAF's absence from the Kargil conflict, and India's bold and confrontational act of shooting down an unarmed naval plane within Pakistani borders had shaped up Pakistani psyche. The American raid on Abbottabad had been the final nail in the coffin that had sealed PAF's image as being unable to protect the country's borders. The Prime Minister Imran Khan, well known for his subservience to foreign interests, and his complete illiteracy at all matters pertaining to armed conflict, would parrot whatever phrases were given to him. And much of the Pakistani military establishment viewed PAF with doubt due to the aforementioned events.
Well, Have nothing to say here. ... Let's hear him on world's most prominent forum (UNGA)...

Now list me PMs/Presidents who exposed RSS like that. Subservience! My FOOT!!!
and BTW, who OP thinks was giving him phases to repeat, if there was any? Bajwa?? And if yes, he belongs to same mil establishment who know very well what PAF achieved in WoT without which army would have been still fighting on multiple fronts with much higher fatality rates like Sri Lanka had to .. and perhaps this was something enemies envisioned when they launched that 4GW against Pakistan.
As the morning of Feb 26 approached, there were possibly only three entities in the world that had a full understanding of PAF's true capabilities. The PAF itself, the PLAAF with which PAF has conducted wide ranging exercises and which has supplied PAF with a large portion of its inventory through purchases and join ventures, and finally, the USAF which has trained PAF and given it the sharp edge of the fabled Katana. It should be noted that the case of USAF is ambiguous because PAF has (at least officially) kept its Chinese and Western capabilities compartmentalized during international exercises.
Again pure conjecturing. No substance to follow. Why on earth, PAF (or any other airforce for that matter) would expose its "true" capabilities to any foreign air force? Again an assertion made by someone without any strategic insight.

Thus, once the failed Indian airstrike had taken place, Imran Khan had absolutely no clue what he was about to unleash as he approved the proportional response by targeting but not destroying Indian targets. And Bajwa would be forced to shows his true leanings by restricting PAF Shaheens from turning the skies of Kashmir into a slaughterhouse. Indian air force was caught pants down and exposed to the world.
Now this is what we call a writer being caught in a circular argument.
Previously, it was supposedly, Bajwa and Co. giving IK written phrases to utter and this time around, Bajwa was "to be forced" (by IK) ... to show his true leanings (to whom?) by restricting PAF Shaheens from truing the skies of Kashmir into a slaughterhouse.
How did we come to know if we were in position to shoot down entire IAF in Kashmir? Uh, that revelation by Gp. Captain Rana Illyas. 9 permissions jati, tu result 9 jahazon ka hota... I don't know if it was wise on his part to reveal even that much but that is for another debate. So, 7 permissions were denied. Question is by Who? OP's answer is clear; one and only Bajwa (and IK by extension). But any mind with correct cerebral cortex would ask, how Bajwa/IK were aware of fact that these many locks have been achieved by PAF? In fast changing aerial combat, I don't think there was enough time for pilots/PAF to brief both Bajwa and Khan about locks and seeking permissions. So, question remains who actually denied those permissions? It must be someone in PAF. Bigger question though here is should we had escalated the conflict?

However the clear aerial victory was not capitalized upon. Pakistani leaders fanned Indian belligerence through appeasement and a quick and meek release of the captured Indian pilot Abhinandan. Thus, what should have been a decisive victory in the skies of Kashmir, expanded into naval staring match in which India blinked, and reports of military conflict along the Sialkot border that was blacked out from media reporting.
So you think shooting 7 more planes would have given us Kashmir or at least have wiped off entire IAF? Because anything less than that cannot be categorized as "decisive victory". Sir, war is far more complex than that and Indian foreign policy towards Pakistan is even more complex. IAF lost 1 aircraft and a helicopter. Now do the math how many PAF planes were engaged in one theater to achieve that? IAF is able to open similar fronts concurrently across the LoC and IB stretching PAF to its maximum and then take it out once all your aircraft will exhaust fuel and ammo. This is how big numerical and technical difference is between two air forces. Gladly, the person who didn't allow shooting down of those 7 additional aircraft flying well within enemy territory was aware of PAF's predicament and his head was connected to ground realities.

The aftermath of Swift Retort saw India chastised yet belligerent, and the Pakistani nation oblivious to the meek capitulation by its leaders. The uneducated nation was easily led by mere words and promises of Pakistan's 'moral supremacy'. All the while, Pakistan's vested interests were sabotaged through a comedy in the United Nations where superfluous claims of ecological terrorism were launched despite Pakistan's right to invoke the Security Council to protest the violation of its territorial sovereignty. Otherwise educated Pakistanis acted as the guardians and emissaries of the deceitful Khan, explaining away all actions as Khan's supreme leadership and magnanimous personality. The net outcome being India's abrogation of Article 370, and France, Britain, and America combining to pressurize Pakistan through FATF.
So, here is the answer i asked in last para. According to OP, India abrogated Article 370 because we didn't shoot down their 7 more aircraft and at the same time he is of the view that Pakistan should have invoke UNSC to "protest" as if that might have avoided abrogation of Article 370! Seriously? Protests don't work in realpolitik, we did what we had to to send a message. BJP/RSS was going to change status of Kashmir sooner or later as it was mentioned in their party manifesto and what has happened after its abrogation btw? Is Delhi more comfortable now?? for the first time, Pakistani leadership has taken RSS/BJP fascism to world stage and one can only do that with clear moral supremacy which according to Op is of no value. Arabs have started to listen lately and so is Americans. When you have a massive asymmetric disadvantage, you have to adapt. Modi has been the biggest blessing for Pakistan. Just wait and watch ... things will become more clear in coming days. And yes, war is coming (2022~23) despite this abrogation of Article 370 and us "losing" Kashmir which was not with us in the first place.
Finally, one interesting event post Swift Retort was the participation of JF-17 in the Turkish Anatolian Eagle exercise along with F-15s of the American air force. Once the Thunder had delivered the shock during Swift Retort, PAF allowed the Americans to get a first hand interaction. And for the Americans to send their air superiority fighter, with a track record of 104 to nil, is quite flattering for the Thunder.
Hmm... where did I read that on the morning of 26/2/2019 ... there were only three parties knowing the TRUE capabilities of PAF including USAF? ... Oh Yes... couple of paras back in OP's writeup. Now, genius please explain this to us. If it was for the first time during Anatolian Eagle after SR that Americans were allowed to get a first hand interaction with Thunders ... how on earth they were aware of TRUE capabilities of PAF before SR. Please make your mind about it and stick to it.Again, OP is going in circles here.
Now that the enemy has been shocked, and traitors within Pakistan have been surprised, PAF has been given the glorious and monumental task of ensuring Pakistan's independence from foreign vendors and increasing self-reliance through innovative research. The ACM Mujahid Anwar Khan has expressed the resolve to acquire whatever technologies are needed to match India's procurements. Pakistani and Chinese air forces conducted Shaheen-VIII to on-board the lessons learnt from Swift Retort. The Chinese J-10 fighters have provided with a realistic simulation of the Rafale threat. The Rafale manufacturing factory in France has come under an espionage attack. And Pakistan's growing closeness to Qatar has opened another avenue for Pakistan to learn more about this upcoming threat.
PAF has this mission since eons. What came so new? Even the most ambitious PAF program (AZM) was launched before this SR. Mitigating coming threats is a natural process for any air force in the world and why PAF would be an exception in this regard.

The future looks good for aerial warfare in South Asia. The purveyors of 'finest military aircraft technology' must indeed be rejoicing, even as billions of people are pushed further into poverty, and Muslims are oppressed and marginalized throughout the world.

That is cost of business of war which OP so eagerly wanted in the first place. If so much concern is for billions being pushed further into poverty, why crying on actions which avoided a certain war?

FINAL THOUGHTS: Biggest Cowardice is intellectual one; writing something without any substance and then pleading to the mods for locking the threat.
 
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Being an old and quiet reader on PDF, I never intended to reply on an opinion piece as i firmly believe that everyone must have right to express him/herself without any fear. But when i started reading it, my mind was changed because there lies some grave shortcomings in OP's write up and it was written on some very dangerous assumptions like Pakistani leadership (both civil and mil being treated as TRAITORS) ... So here is my counter-argument.
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This para is labor of a utterly childish attempt to paint COAS and CAS as inactive, with lack of vision and devoid of any strategic posturing. Any writer can have his views and I totally respect that but an honest writer always make clear his/her known and unknown biases or at least shape the write up in a way that reader can get to know those biases. Every one of us have those biases. Only chair, table, laptop or our cellphones are one which don't have any biases. Any brain with cognitive ability posses these biases. The bold part is something really interesting. To writer's view, it is lack of vision on part of Bajwa to have legacy filled with tests of naval cruise and surface to surface missiles of assorted types, along with ballistic missile tests/exercises carried out by the Pakistan army", for any brain who knows S of strategic would have said, Shukar Al Hamdolillah that finally our army is realizing something it has failed to realized hitherto. And what is that realization? That realization is knowing the fact that in this age and time, naval warfare is of paramount importance perhaps more important than land warfare for nations who are located in such a contested geography as Indian Ocean/Arabian Sea. Pakistan Army is finally realizing that in order to achieve full-spectrum deterrence, it is essential for sister forces to have enhanced strike capability along with pure defense capability just like army has (in form of 2 strike corps) and this is why lately we are witnessing investment in both PAF and PN unlike anything in our history. I don't want to indulge into details of future planning of both forces as anyone interested can go on internet and read about it. That underline sentence is nothing less than a circular argument. So what does OP want from a gentleman professional of highest caliber? Empty Bravado like that his Indian counterpart? If that's not the case, I failed to understand the need of this sentence there.


Well, Have nothing to say here. ... Let's hear him on world's most prominent forum (UNGA)...

Now list me PMs/Presidents who exposed RSS like that. Subservience! My FOOT!!!
and BTW, who OP thinks was giving him phases to repeat, if there was any? Bajwa?? And if yes, he belongs to same mil establishment who know very well what PAF achieved in WoT without which army would have been still fighting on multiple fronts with much higher fatality rates like Sri Lanka had to .. and perhaps this was something enemies envisioned when they launched that 4GW against Pakistan.

Again pure conjecturing. No substance to follow. Why on earth, PAF (or any other airforce for that matter) would expose its "true" capabilities to any foreign air force? Again an assertion made by someone without any strategic insight.


Now this is what we call a writer being caught in a circular argument.
Previously, it was supposedly, Bajwa and Co. giving IK written phrases to utter and this time around, Bajwa was "to be forced" (by IK) ... to show his true leanings (to whom?) by restricting PAF Shaheens from truing the skies of Kashmir into a slaughterhouse.
How did we come to know if we were in position to shoot down entire IAF in Kashmir? Uh, that revelation by Gp. Captain Rana Illyas. 9 permissions jati, tu result 9 jahazon ka hota... I don't know if it was wise on his part to reveal even that much but that is for another debate. So, 7 permissions were denied. Question is by Who? OP's answer is clear; one and only Bajwa (and IK by extension). But any mind with correct cerebral cortex would ask, how Bajwa/IK were aware of fact that these many locks have been achieved by PAF? In fast changing aerial combat, I don't think there was enough time for pilots/PAF to brief both Bajwa and Khan about locks and seeking permissions. So, question remains who actually denied those permissions? It must be someone in PAF. Bigger question though here is should we had escalated the conflict?


So you think shooting 7 more planes would have given us Kashmir or at least have wiped off entire IAF? Because anything less than that cannot be categorized as "decisive victory". Sir, war is far more complex than that and Indian foreign policy towards Pakistan is even more complex. IAF lost 1 aircraft and a helicopter. Now do the math how many PAF planes were engaged in one theater to achieve that? IAF is able to open similar fronts concurrently across the LoC and IB stretching PAF to its maximum and then take it out once all your aircraft will exhaust fuel and ammo. This is how big numerical and technical difference is between two air forces. Gladly, the person who didn't allow shooting down of those 7 additional aircraft flying well within enemy territory was aware of PAF's predicament and his head was connected to ground realities.


So, here is the answer i asked in last para. According to OP, India abrogated Article 370 because we didn't shoot down their 7 more aircraft and at the same time he is of the view that Pakistan should have invoke UNSC to "protest" as if that might have avoided abrogation of Article 370! Seriously? Protests don't work in realpolitik, we did what we had to to send a message. BJP/RSS was going to change status of Kashmir sooner or later as it was mentioned in their party manifesto and what has happened after its abrogation btw? Is Delhi more comfortable now?? for the first time, Pakistani leadership has taken RSS/BJP fascism to world stage and one can only do that with clear moral supremacy which according to Op is of no value. Arabs have started to listen lately and so is Americans. When you have a massive asymmetric disadvantage, you have to adapt. Modi has been the biggest blessing for Pakistan. Just wait and watch ... things will become more clear in coming days. And yes, war is coming (2022~23) despite this abrogation of Article 370 and us "losing" Kashmir which was not with us in the first place.

Hmm... where did I read that on the morning of 26/2/2019 ... there were only three parties knowing the TRUE capabilities of PAF including USAF? ... Oh Yes... couple of paras back in OP's writeup. Now, genius please explain this to us. If it was for the first time during Anatolian Eagle after SR that Americans were allowed to get a first hand interaction with Thunders ... how on earth they were aware of TRUE capabilities of PAF before SR. Please make your mind about it and stick to it.Again, OP is going in circles here.

PAF has this mission since eons. What came so new? Even the most ambitious PAF program (AZM) was launched before this SR. Mitigating coming threats is a natural process for any air force in the world and why PAF would be an exception in this regard.



That is cost of business of war which OP so eagerly wanted in the first place. If so much concern is for billions being pushed further into poverty, why crying on actions which avoided a certain war?

FINAL THOUGHTS: Biggest Cowardice is intellectual one; writing something without any substance and then pleading to the mods for locking the threat.
Good rebuttal.
However, I don't expect it will be received as well as the OP was. Not that your your reply is without merit or is logically and factually unsound, only that bombastic rhetoric is what is appreciated, for the most part, on PDF.
Their is an adage I have heard in Pakistan: "maarey se bhagaya behter hota hai".
This in my opinion is what happened on 27 Feb.
India was taught a lesson without putting it in a position where it had to escalate to save face.
 
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Yeah we won. They lost. Let's not dwell on that. We have a long way to go till AZM. We've had a badr let's not get over confident and find ourselves in a uhud.
 
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Operation swift retort was a success. But people calling it a failure, Blaming Pakistani leaders to not give a full go ahead at India and painting it a curtailed treason like scenario are people who have Indian Mindset.
You people dont understand that even if a single F7 had crashed anywhere in Pakistan even due to technical reasons the whole PR victory would have been lost. You people still dont understand Indian Media machine and bloggers? Look how they cooked up and shoved the F16 story out of thin air?
God forbad if a single PAF jet was shootdown in the face of 5 Indian jets, the PR gurus of Bharat would have twisted it in their favour.
And still i will not underestimate Indian Airforce at all. Our execution was spot on along with Concentrated mobilization. Be content that we humiliated the much larger enemy instead of underestimating them.
I total agree... once again I will point out mercy which PM khan showed to his enemy.. he was kind to his enemy..
 
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Being an old and quiet reader on PDF, I never intended to reply on an opinion piece as i firmly believe that everyone must have right to express him/herself without any fear. But when i started reading it, my mind was changed because there lies some grave shortcomings in OP's write up and it was written on some very dangerous assumptions like Pakistani leadership (both civil and mil being treated as TRAITORS) ... So here is my counter-argument.
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This para is labor of a utterly childish attempt to paint COAS and CAS as inactive, with lack of vision and devoid of any strategic posturing. Any writer can have his views and I totally respect that but an honest writer always make clear his/her known and unknown biases or at least shape the write up in a way that reader can get to know those biases. Every one of us have those biases. Only chair, table, laptop or our cellphones are one which don't have any biases. Any brain with cognitive ability posses these biases. The bold part is something really interesting. To writer's view, it is lack of vision on part of Bajwa to have legacy filled with tests of naval cruise and surface to surface missiles of assorted types, along with ballistic missile tests/exercises carried out by the Pakistan army", for any brain who knows S of strategic would have said, Shukar Al Hamdolillah that finally our army is realizing something it has failed to realized hitherto. And what is that realization? That realization is knowing the fact that in this age and time, naval warfare is of paramount importance perhaps more important than land warfare for nations who are located in such a contested geography as Indian Ocean/Arabian Sea. Pakistan Army is finally realizing that in order to achieve full-spectrum deterrence, it is essential for sister forces to have enhanced strike capability along with pure defense capability just like army has (in form of 2 strike corps) and this is why lately we are witnessing investment in both PAF and PN unlike anything in our history. I don't want to indulge into details of future planning of both forces as anyone interested can go on internet and read about it. That underline sentence is nothing less than a circular argument. So what does OP want from a gentleman professional of highest caliber? Empty Bravado like that his Indian counterpart? If that's not the case, I failed to understand the need of this sentence there.


Well, Have nothing to say here. ... Let's hear him on world's most prominent forum (UNGA)...

Now list me PMs/Presidents who exposed RSS like that. Subservience! My FOOT!!!
and BTW, who OP thinks was giving him phases to repeat, if there was any? Bajwa?? And if yes, he belongs to same mil establishment who know very well what PAF achieved in WoT without which army would have been still fighting on multiple fronts with much higher fatality rates like Sri Lanka had to .. and perhaps this was something enemies envisioned when they launched that 4GW against Pakistan.

Again pure conjecturing. No substance to follow. Why on earth, PAF (or any other airforce for that matter) would expose its "true" capabilities to any foreign air force? Again an assertion made by someone without any strategic insight.


Now this is what we call a writer being caught in a circular argument.
Previously, it was supposedly, Bajwa and Co. giving IK written phrases to utter and this time around, Bajwa was "to be forced" (by IK) ... to show his true leanings (to whom?) by restricting PAF Shaheens from truing the skies of Kashmir into a slaughterhouse.
How did we come to know if we were in position to shoot down entire IAF in Kashmir? Uh, that revelation by Gp. Captain Rana Illyas. 9 permissions jati, tu result 9 jahazon ka hota... I don't know if it was wise on his part to reveal even that much but that is for another debate. So, 7 permissions were denied. Question is by Who? OP's answer is clear; one and only Bajwa (and IK by extension). But any mind with correct cerebral cortex would ask, how Bajwa/IK were aware of fact that these many locks have been achieved by PAF? In fast changing aerial combat, I don't think there was enough time for pilots/PAF to brief both Bajwa and Khan about locks and seeking permissions. So, question remains who actually denied those permissions? It must be someone in PAF. Bigger question though here is should we had escalated the conflict?


So you think shooting 7 more planes would have given us Kashmir or at least have wiped off entire IAF? Because anything less than that cannot be categorized as "decisive victory". Sir, war is far more complex than that and Indian foreign policy towards Pakistan is even more complex. IAF lost 1 aircraft and a helicopter. Now do the math how many PAF planes were engaged in one theater to achieve that? IAF is able to open similar fronts concurrently across the LoC and IB stretching PAF to its maximum and then take it out once all your aircraft will exhaust fuel and ammo. This is how big numerical and technical difference is between two air forces. Gladly, the person who didn't allow shooting down of those 7 additional aircraft flying well within enemy territory was aware of PAF's predicament and his head was connected to ground realities.


So, here is the answer i asked in last para. According to OP, India abrogated Article 370 because we didn't shoot down their 7 more aircraft and at the same time he is of the view that Pakistan should have invoke UNSC to "protest" as if that might have avoided abrogation of Article 370! Seriously? Protests don't work in realpolitik, we did what we had to to send a message. BJP/RSS was going to change status of Kashmir sooner or later as it was mentioned in their party manifesto and what has happened after its abrogation btw? Is Delhi more comfortable now?? for the first time, Pakistani leadership has taken RSS/BJP fascism to world stage and one can only do that with clear moral supremacy which according to Op is of no value. Arabs have started to listen lately and so is Americans. When you have a massive asymmetric disadvantage, you have to adapt. Modi has been the biggest blessing for Pakistan. Just wait and watch ... things will become more clear in coming days. And yes, war is coming (2022~23) despite this abrogation of Article 370 and us "losing" Kashmir which was not with us in the first place.

Hmm... where did I read that on the morning of 26/2/2019 ... there were only three parties knowing the TRUE capabilities of PAF including USAF? ... Oh Yes... couple of paras back in OP's writeup. Now, genius please explain this to us. If it was for the first time during Anatolian Eagle after SR that Americans were allowed to get a first hand interaction with Thunders ... how on earth they were aware of TRUE capabilities of PAF before SR. Please make your mind about it and stick to it.Again, OP is going in circles here.

PAF has this mission since eons. What came so new? Even the most ambitious PAF program (AZM) was launched before this SR. Mitigating coming threats is a natural process for any air force in the world and why PAF would be an exception in this regard.



That is cost of business of war which OP so eagerly wanted in the first place. If so much concern is for billions being pushed further into poverty, why crying on actions which avoided a certain war?

FINAL THOUGHTS: Biggest Cowardice is intellectual one; writing something without any substance and then pleading to the mods for locking the threat.
this some good writing. it is very thoughtful restrained and respectful. your post couldve done without the last paragraph. the OP wrote an opinion and narrated pre /post 27 events from with PoV and you countered with your own which is fine.

this conflict of 27 does tell me that some resource allocation needs to be channeled back from Pakistan army to PAF and PN. it is clear after the latest air skirmish between the two countries as well as the cat and mouse counters in the seas.
 
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Being an old and quiet reader on PDF, I never intended to reply on an opinion piece as i firmly believe that everyone must have right to express him/herself without any fear. But when i started reading it, my mind was changed because there lies some grave shortcomings in OP's write up and it was written on some very dangerous assumptions like Pakistani leadership (both civil and mil being treated as TRAITORS) ... So here is my counter-argument.
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This para is labor of a utterly childish attempt to paint COAS and CAS as inactive, with lack of vision and devoid of any strategic posturing. Any writer can have his views and I totally respect that but an honest writer always make clear his/her known and unknown biases or at least shape the write up in a way that reader can get to know those biases. Every one of us have those biases. Only chair, table, laptop or our cellphones are one which don't have any biases. Any brain with cognitive ability posses these biases. The bold part is something really interesting. To writer's view, it is lack of vision on part of Bajwa to have legacy filled with tests of naval cruise and surface to surface missiles of assorted types, along with ballistic missile tests/exercises carried out by the Pakistan army", for any brain who knows S of strategic would have said, Shukar Al Hamdolillah that finally our army is realizing something it has failed to realized hitherto. And what is that realization? That realization is knowing the fact that in this age and time, naval warfare is of paramount importance perhaps more important than land warfare for nations who are located in such a contested geography as Indian Ocean/Arabian Sea. Pakistan Army is finally realizing that in order to achieve full-spectrum deterrence, it is essential for sister forces to have enhanced strike capability along with pure defense capability just like army has (in form of 2 strike corps) and this is why lately we are witnessing investment in both PAF and PN unlike anything in our history. I don't want to indulge into details of future planning of both forces as anyone interested can go on internet and read about it. That underline sentence is nothing less than a circular argument. So what does OP want from a gentleman professional of highest caliber? Empty Bravado like that his Indian counterpart? If that's not the case, I failed to understand the need of this sentence there.


Well, Have nothing to say here. ... Let's hear him on world's most prominent forum (UNGA)...

Now list me PMs/Presidents who exposed RSS like that. Subservience! My FOOT!!!
and BTW, who OP thinks was giving him phases to repeat, if there was any? Bajwa?? And if yes, he belongs to same mil establishment who know very well what PAF achieved in WoT without which army would have been still fighting on multiple fronts with much higher fatality rates like Sri Lanka had to .. and perhaps this was something enemies envisioned when they launched that 4GW against Pakistan.

Again pure conjecturing. No substance to follow. Why on earth, PAF (or any other airforce for that matter) would expose its "true" capabilities to any foreign air force? Again an assertion made by someone without any strategic insight.


Now this is what we call a writer being caught in a circular argument.
Previously, it was supposedly, Bajwa and Co. giving IK written phrases to utter and this time around, Bajwa was "to be forced" (by IK) ... to show his true leanings (to whom?) by restricting PAF Shaheens from truing the skies of Kashmir into a slaughterhouse.
How did we come to know if we were in position to shoot down entire IAF in Kashmir? Uh, that revelation by Gp. Captain Rana Illyas. 9 permissions jati, tu result 9 jahazon ka hota... I don't know if it was wise on his part to reveal even that much but that is for another debate. So, 7 permissions were denied. Question is by Who? OP's answer is clear; one and only Bajwa (and IK by extension). But any mind with correct cerebral cortex would ask, how Bajwa/IK were aware of fact that these many locks have been achieved by PAF? In fast changing aerial combat, I don't think there was enough time for pilots/PAF to brief both Bajwa and Khan about locks and seeking permissions. So, question remains who actually denied those permissions? It must be someone in PAF. Bigger question though here is should we had escalated the conflict?


So you think shooting 7 more planes would have given us Kashmir or at least have wiped off entire IAF? Because anything less than that cannot be categorized as "decisive victory". Sir, war is far more complex than that and Indian foreign policy towards Pakistan is even more complex. IAF lost 1 aircraft and a helicopter. Now do the math how many PAF planes were engaged in one theater to achieve that? IAF is able to open similar fronts concurrently across the LoC and IB stretching PAF to its maximum and then take it out once all your aircraft will exhaust fuel and ammo. This is how big numerical and technical difference is between two air forces. Gladly, the person who didn't allow shooting down of those 7 additional aircraft flying well within enemy territory was aware of PAF's predicament and his head was connected to ground realities.


So, here is the answer i asked in last para. According to OP, India abrogated Article 370 because we didn't shoot down their 7 more aircraft and at the same time he is of the view that Pakistan should have invoke UNSC to "protest" as if that might have avoided abrogation of Article 370! Seriously? Protests don't work in realpolitik, we did what we had to to send a message. BJP/RSS was going to change status of Kashmir sooner or later as it was mentioned in their party manifesto and what has happened after its abrogation btw? Is Delhi more comfortable now?? for the first time, Pakistani leadership has taken RSS/BJP fascism to world stage and one can only do that with clear moral supremacy which according to Op is of no value. Arabs have started to listen lately and so is Americans. When you have a massive asymmetric disadvantage, you have to adapt. Modi has been the biggest blessing for Pakistan. Just wait and watch ... things will become more clear in coming days. And yes, war is coming (2022~23) despite this abrogation of Article 370 and us "losing" Kashmir which was not with us in the first place.

Hmm... where did I read that on the morning of 26/2/2019 ... there were only three parties knowing the TRUE capabilities of PAF including USAF? ... Oh Yes... couple of paras back in OP's writeup. Now, genius please explain this to us. If it was for the first time during Anatolian Eagle after SR that Americans were allowed to get a first hand interaction with Thunders ... how on earth they were aware of TRUE capabilities of PAF before SR. Please make your mind about it and stick to it.Again, OP is going in circles here.

PAF has this mission since eons. What came so new? Even the most ambitious PAF program (AZM) was launched before this SR. Mitigating coming threats is a natural process for any air force in the world and why PAF would be an exception in this regard.



That is cost of business of war which OP so eagerly wanted in the first place. If so much concern is for billions being pushed further into poverty, why crying on actions which avoided a certain war?

FINAL THOUGHTS: Biggest Cowardice is intellectual one; writing something without any substance and then pleading to the mods for locking the threat.
Excellent post sir. Might give a little sense to all these respective members cheering this OP.
I dont know it has so much INDIAN feel to it. This arrogant writing style.
 
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Being an old and quiet reader on PDF, I never intended to reply on an opinion piece as i firmly believe that everyone must have right to express him/herself without any fear. But when i started reading it, my mind was changed because there lies some grave shortcomings in OP's write up and it was written on some very dangerous assumptions like Pakistani leadership (both civil and mil being treated as TRAITORS) ... So here is my counter-argument.
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This para is labor of a utterly childish attempt to paint COAS and CAS as inactive, with lack of vision and devoid of any strategic posturing. Any writer can have his views and I totally respect that but an honest writer always make clear his/her known and unknown biases or at least shape the write up in a way that reader can get to know those biases. Every one of us have those biases. Only chair, table, laptop or our cellphones are one which don't have any biases. Any brain with cognitive ability posses these biases. The bold part is something really interesting. To writer's view, it is lack of vision on part of Bajwa to have legacy filled with tests of naval cruise and surface to surface missiles of assorted types, along with ballistic missile tests/exercises carried out by the Pakistan army", for any brain who knows S of strategic would have said, Shukar Al Hamdolillah that finally our army is realizing something it has failed to realized hitherto. And what is that realization? That realization is knowing the fact that in this age and time, naval warfare is of paramount importance perhaps more important than land warfare for nations who are located in such a contested geography as Indian Ocean/Arabian Sea. Pakistan Army is finally realizing that in order to achieve full-spectrum deterrence, it is essential for sister forces to have enhanced strike capability along with pure defense capability just like army has (in form of 2 strike corps) and this is why lately we are witnessing investment in both PAF and PN unlike anything in our history. I don't want to indulge into details of future planning of both forces as anyone interested can go on internet and read about it. That underline sentence is nothing less than a circular argument. So what does OP want from a gentleman professional of highest caliber? Empty Bravado like that his Indian counterpart? If that's not the case, I failed to understand the need of this sentence there.


Well, Have nothing to say here. ... Let's hear him on world's most prominent forum (UNGA)...

Now list me PMs/Presidents who exposed RSS like that. Subservience! My FOOT!!!
and BTW, who OP thinks was giving him phases to repeat, if there was any? Bajwa?? And if yes, he belongs to same mil establishment who know very well what PAF achieved in WoT without which army would have been still fighting on multiple fronts with much higher fatality rates like Sri Lanka had to .. and perhaps this was something enemies envisioned when they launched that 4GW against Pakistan.

Again pure conjecturing. No substance to follow. Why on earth, PAF (or any other airforce for that matter) would expose its "true" capabilities to any foreign air force? Again an assertion made by someone without any strategic insight.


Now this is what we call a writer being caught in a circular argument.
Previously, it was supposedly, Bajwa and Co. giving IK written phrases to utter and this time around, Bajwa was "to be forced" (by IK) ... to show his true leanings (to whom?) by restricting PAF Shaheens from truing the skies of Kashmir into a slaughterhouse.
How did we come to know if we were in position to shoot down entire IAF in Kashmir? Uh, that revelation by Gp. Captain Rana Illyas. 9 permissions jati, tu result 9 jahazon ka hota... I don't know if it was wise on his part to reveal even that much but that is for another debate. So, 7 permissions were denied. Question is by Who? OP's answer is clear; one and only Bajwa (and IK by extension). But any mind with correct cerebral cortex would ask, how Bajwa/IK were aware of fact that these many locks have been achieved by PAF? In fast changing aerial combat, I don't think there was enough time for pilots/PAF to brief both Bajwa and Khan about locks and seeking permissions. So, question remains who actually denied those permissions? It must be someone in PAF. Bigger question though here is should we had escalated the conflict?


So you think shooting 7 more planes would have given us Kashmir or at least have wiped off entire IAF? Because anything less than that cannot be categorized as "decisive victory". Sir, war is far more complex than that and Indian foreign policy towards Pakistan is even more complex. IAF lost 1 aircraft and a helicopter. Now do the math how many PAF planes were engaged in one theater to achieve that? IAF is able to open similar fronts concurrently across the LoC and IB stretching PAF to its maximum and then take it out once all your aircraft will exhaust fuel and ammo. This is how big numerical and technical difference is between two air forces. Gladly, the person who didn't allow shooting down of those 7 additional aircraft flying well within enemy territory was aware of PAF's predicament and his head was connected to ground realities.


So, here is the answer i asked in last para. According to OP, India abrogated Article 370 because we didn't shoot down their 7 more aircraft and at the same time he is of the view that Pakistan should have invoke UNSC to "protest" as if that might have avoided abrogation of Article 370! Seriously? Protests don't work in realpolitik, we did what we had to to send a message. BJP/RSS was going to change status of Kashmir sooner or later as it was mentioned in their party manifesto and what has happened after its abrogation btw? Is Delhi more comfortable now?? for the first time, Pakistani leadership has taken RSS/BJP fascism to world stage and one can only do that with clear moral supremacy which according to Op is of no value. Arabs have started to listen lately and so is Americans. When you have a massive asymmetric disadvantage, you have to adapt. Modi has been the biggest blessing for Pakistan. Just wait and watch ... things will become more clear in coming days. And yes, war is coming (2022~23) despite this abrogation of Article 370 and us "losing" Kashmir which was not with us in the first place.

Hmm... where did I read that on the morning of 26/2/2019 ... there were only three parties knowing the TRUE capabilities of PAF including USAF? ... Oh Yes... couple of paras back in OP's writeup. Now, genius please explain this to us. If it was for the first time during Anatolian Eagle after SR that Americans were allowed to get a first hand interaction with Thunders ... how on earth they were aware of TRUE capabilities of PAF before SR. Please make your mind about it and stick to it.Again, OP is going in circles here.

PAF has this mission since eons. What came so new? Even the most ambitious PAF program (AZM) was launched before this SR. Mitigating coming threats is a natural process for any air force in the world and why PAF would be an exception in this regard.



That is cost of business of war which OP so eagerly wanted in the first place. If so much concern is for billions being pushed further into poverty, why crying on actions which avoided a certain war?

FINAL THOUGHTS: Biggest Cowardice is intellectual one; writing something without any substance and then pleading to the mods for locking the threat.
I total agree... once again I will point out mercy which PM khan showed to his enemy.. he was kind to his enemy..
Fine fine judgement.,,, marro kam gacictoo zeda
 
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Imf deals, letting the God fathers exit the country, being a pacifist retard, running his jaw needlessly on foreign visits are some of his achievements
Unfortunately some people think they know it all, no one is acceptable to them, from corrupt Nawaz to Zardari and now throwing shade at Imran for what? He is fighting multiple fronts, he doesn't have a magic wand to fix all the problems. Keyboard warriors doing what they do best, complaining and nothing else.
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NOTE: The post has been edited after @PakShaheen79 pointed out an incorrect use of the word 'limelight'. I intended to write 'twilight'. The same user has incorrectly pointed out a spelling mistake in the word 'entirety' which is used in the first paragraph. The mistake had already been corrected before he tried to use mockery to satisfy his small ego. The post has been updated.

This para is labor of a utterly childish attempt to paint COAS and CAS as inactive, with lack of vision and devoid of any strategic posturing.

Let me stop you right here and call out your dishonesty/lack of comprehension. I have only paid glowing tribute to the CAS. And just this misrepresentation rubbishes the entirety of your writing. You are not worthy of a response, but I will still hammer in the nails, right down to the last one.

To writer's view, it is lack of vision on part of Bajwa to have legacy filled with tests of naval cruise and surface to surface missiles of assorted types, along with ballistic missile tests/exercises carried out by the Pakistan army", for any brain who knows S of strategic would have said, Shukar Al Hamdolillah that finally our army is realizing something it has failed to realized hitherto. And what is that realization? That realization is knowing the fact that in this age and time, naval warfare is of paramount importance perhaps more important than land warfare for nations who are located in such a contested geography as Indian Ocean/Arabian Sea. Pakistan Army is finally realizing that in order to achieve full-spectrum deterrence, it is essential for sister forces to have enhanced strike capability along with pure defense capability just like army has (in form of 2 strike corps) and this is why lately we are witnessing investment in both PAF and PN unlike anything in our history.

Let's look at an analogy. A fighter starts working only on the muscles of his right arm. Should the people he defends be happy, or fearful? He's going to need both arms in a fight. Even a child can understand this.

I don't want to indulge into details of future planning of both forces as anyone interested can go on internet and read about it. That underline sentence is nothing less than a circular argument. So what does OP want from a gentleman professional of highest caliber? Empty Bravado like that his Indian counterpart? If that's not the case, I failed to understand the need of this sentence there.

Instead of responding to people's posts, my sincere advise to you is to take courses in English language comprehension. Let me summarize what the article is saying to this point. Bajwa failed in his duty to project power externally. And this negligence was criminal in nature. ACM Mujahid Anwar Khan performed his duties par excellence, but the dumb Indian mind misinterpreted his professional circumspection. Now I ask you, are you also a dumb Indian? Because all the Pakistanis had no problems understanding what I wrote.

Well, Have nothing to say here. ... Let's hear him on world's most prominent forum (UNGA)...

Now list me PMs/Presidents who exposed RSS like that. Subservience! My FOOT!!!

Yep, small Pakistani minds getting stoked by verbal firing. The whole world knows he's got a domestic audience to please. So people tune off. This is his accomplishment so far: acting as Modi's Personal Secretary, explaining in no uncertain words that Modi's hostility is only for electioneering, creating the environment for Modi to come into power for another term, asking Trump to mediate on Kashmir, promising to wage a diplomatic war to counter India's illegal moves on Kashmir, firing verbal shots at the UN, and then quietly letting the issue slide into the twilight.

But there is more. This traitor has diluted Pakistan's unwavering commitment to its security. He has created ambiguity on the matter of our nuclear weapons and their use. In his Fox News interview, he said Pakistan will give up its nuclear weapons if India does so. Then in September 2019 he publicly announces a 'no first from Pakistan', giving Reuters the opportunity to say Pakistan will not make first use of its nuclear weapons. And then finally, when he stood in the UN and threatened nuclear war, no one took him seriously. Let this sink in properly: the Prime Minister of a nuclear armed state stands in a world assembly and warns about a potential nuclear conflict, and nobody loses any sweat.

No patriotic Pakistani would ever try to defend such outright treason.

and BTW, who OP thinks was giving him phases to repeat, if there was any? Bajwa?? And if yes, he belongs to same mil establishment who know very well what PAF achieved in WoT without which army would have been still fighting on multiple fronts with much higher fatality rates like Sri Lanka had to .. and perhaps this was something enemies envisioned when they launched that 4GW against Pakistan.

More comprehension issues. The article is calling to attention Imran Khan's naivete and utter ignorance of what was about to unfold. He didn't understand the full implication of his own words "We won't just think of retaliation, we WILL retaliate". Alhamdulillah we did, and Insha Allah we will, in the future as well.

As far as Bajwa's understanding is concerned, answer me this: why was his CJCSC Gen Zubair Hayat given the F-16 ride in 2017? Was it only a pleasure trip? Performing against an insurgency without anti-aircraft capability and air support is very different to performing against Indian airforce. The level of confidence was quite apparent right here on PDF after the Balakot airstrike. This isn't a disconnected community, it is reflective of the feelings throughout Pakistan. And the feelings were that of uncertainty. Even the moderator waz was showing lack of confidence. There were only two users on all of PDF that were confidently talking about PAF's response: myself, and Agnostic Muslim. That's it. If you are denying this, it is you who is being intellectually dishonest.

Again pure conjecturing. No substance to follow. Why on earth, PAF (or any other airforce for that matter) would expose its "true" capabilities to any foreign air force? Again an assertion made by someone without any strategic insight.

If I give you the gun that I made, then teach you how to fire it, then take you through multiple realistic scenarios where my sophisticated equipment is monitoring your every single move, then I take you through detailed debriefs where you share the way you think, I can be quite certain of what you are capable of doing with the gun I made. Stop wasting my time kid, you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

Now this is what we call a writer being caught in a circular argument.
Previously, it was supposedly, Bajwa and Co. giving IK written phrases to utter and this time around, Bajwa was "to be forced" (by IK) ... to show his true leanings (to whom?) by restricting PAF Shaheens from truing the skies of Kashmir into a slaughterhouse.
How did we come to know if we were in position to shoot down entire IAF in Kashmir? Uh, that revelation by Gp. Captain Rana Illyas. 9 permissions jati, tu result 9 jahazon ka hota... I don't know if it was wise on his part to reveal even that much but that is for another debate. So, 7 permissions were denied. Question is by Who? OP's answer is clear; one and only Bajwa (and IK by extension). But any mind with correct cerebral cortex would ask, how Bajwa/IK were aware of fact that these many locks have been achieved by PAF? In fast changing aerial combat, I don't think there was enough time for pilots/PAF to brief both Bajwa and Khan about locks and seeking permissions. So, question remains who actually denied those permissions? It must be someone in PAF. Bigger question though here is should we had escalated the conflict?

In addition to taking courses in comprehension, you also need to take courses in logic, so you actually understand what a 'circular argument' really is. Our position to shoot down multiple Indian bandits is ascertained through their quite lit backsides facing the noses of our Shaheens. This is aerial combat 101. And the permission I am talking about is the permission during mission planning. Stop trying to act like you know anything.

So you think shooting 7 more planes would have given us Kashmir or at least have wiped off entire IAF? Because anything less than that cannot be categorized as "decisive victory". Sir, war is far more complex than that and Indian foreign policy towards Pakistan is even more complex. IAF lost 1 aircraft and a helicopter. Now do the math how many PAF planes were engaged in one theater to achieve that? IAF is able to open similar fronts concurrently across the LoC and IB stretching PAF to its maximum and then take it out once all your aircraft will exhaust fuel and ammo. This is how big numerical and technical difference is between two air forces. Gladly, the person who didn't allow shooting down of those 7 additional aircraft flying well within enemy territory was aware of PAF's predicament and his head was connected to ground realities.

I am not about to educate you exactly why PAF had attained air superiority, and why IAF was in no position to give us a response. But you are not the first (and unfortunately not the last) IK follower who has made a selective interpretation of my words. You can go look at all my posts, not just this one. Yes, I have lamented the fact that we didn't roast more Indian bandits, but I have only lambasted our handling of the situation post Balakot. This is a subtlety which is lost on quick to jump the gun kids. You need to put in a lot more intellectual effort to truly understand what I am actually writing.

So, here is the answer i asked in last para. According to OP, India abrogated Article 370 because we didn't shoot down their 7 more aircraft and at the same time he is of the view that Pakistan should have invoke UNSC to "protest" as if that might have avoided abrogation of Article 370! Seriously? Protests don't work in realpolitik, we did what we had to to send a message. BJP/RSS was going to change status of Kashmir sooner or later as it was mentioned in their party manifesto and what has happened after its abrogation btw? Is Delhi more comfortable now?? for the first time, Pakistani leadership has taken RSS/BJP fascism to world stage and one can only do that with clear moral supremacy which according to Op is of no value. Arabs have started to listen lately and so is Americans. When you have a massive asymmetric disadvantage, you have to adapt. Modi has been the biggest blessing for Pakistan. Just wait and watch ... things will become more clear in coming days. And yes, war is coming (2022~23) despite this abrogation of Article 370 and us "losing" Kashmir which was not with us in the first place.

This is how 'Lawfare' works. If you are being pressurized on one forum, you open up another front on a different forum. India had been pressurizing us in FATF. This was a golden opportunity to open up a front in UNSC. It doesn't matter if nations come to Indian aid. India loses political capital because this is now one more favor it needs from its allies. In the world of international relations, nothing, and I mean NOTHING, is for free. India would need to pay for the favor in one form or the other. And this is how you get back at the enemy. But your traitor leaders wouldn't want that to happen, would they?

Hmm... where did I read that on the morning of 26/2/2019 ... there were only three parties knowing the TRUE capabilities of PAF including USAF? ... Oh Yes... couple of paras back in OP's writeup. Now, genius please explain this to us. If it was for the first time during Anatolian Eagle after SR that Americans were allowed to get a first hand interaction with Thunders ... how on earth they were aware of TRUE capabilities of PAF before SR. Please make your mind about it and stick to it.Again, OP is going in circles here.

This is now becoming a 'Comprehension Deficit', not merely a 'Comprehension Problem'. Did you read the part where I said the case of USAF is ambiguous? Go back, and re-read OP so you can understand what I am saying. And I hope you have taken better care to read this post at least. There is a large portion of PAF inventory that comes from the US, and a large part of training received from USAF. After conducting a major exercise with a lot of interpersonal communication and interaction, a force such as USAF can certainly gauge the level of proficiency and capability to some level of approximation. Even if this is limited to the Vipers and Mirages, it is still information that would be useful for IAF and should have served to deter the IAF.

PAF has this mission since eons. What came so new? Even the most ambitious PAF program (AZM) was launched before this SR. Mitigating coming threats is a natural process for any air force in the world and why PAF would be an exception in this regard.

If you have nothing better to add, get lost. You have simply wasted my time. The only reason I gave a detailed response is to counter the entire troupe of traitors rallying around your post. Other than mindless support of IK, I don't see any value in any of the posts at all. The time I have to spend responding to brain dead posts could have been better served elsewhere.

this some good writing. it is very thoughtful restrained and respectful. your post couldve done without the last paragraph. the OP wrote an opinion and narrated pre /post 27 events from with PoV and you countered with your own which is fine.

this conflict of 27 does tell me that some resource allocation needs to be channeled back from Pakistan army to PAF and PN. it is clear after the latest air skirmish between the two countries as well as the cat and mouse counters in the seas.

This guy has accused me of intellectual dishonesty, made insinuations of circular arguments, and presented specious reasoning to back these claims, and you are calling it good writing? Are you trying to go out of your way to show your bias?
 
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