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Consulting ‘absconder’ Nawaz over COAS choice a disgrace: Imran

IK gave him the extension

That means IK agreed with Nawazs assessment of Bajwa
Yup , an error of judgement.

Hindsight is always 20/20. Even all the way to the night of NCM, IK said sure the Chief has issues with me, but would never install these thieves (he has stated as much).
Now lets see what he does moving forward. If or when he comes back in power (hopefully with heavy public mandate), if he does not address this issue i-e the MIlstablishment's meddling detrimental to the progress of the nation, then we are surely doomed (if not already).
 
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This is what we are up against. The mindset that nothing can be done and it’s a non-issue. Pakistanis have to make it a big issue, we have to stand for our country.
Why, the whole institution is corrupt and under the colonial yolk, unless you are willing to abolish and start anew, it is an exercise in futility. Either you raise a parallel force of men under arms to counter the colonial sepoys and bring about a revolution along lines of Khomeni and/or Taliban or you get with the colonial program. There is no middle ground.
 
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Yup , an error of judgement.

Hindsight is always 20/20. Even all the way to the night of NCM, IK said sure the Chief has issues with me, but would never install these thieves (he has stated as much).
Now lets see what he does moving forward. If or when he comes back in power (hopefully with heavy public mandate), if he does not address this issue i-e the MIlstablishment's meddling detrimental to the progress of the nation, then we are surely doomed (if not already).
Oh bhai, what difference does it make when and where he goes after the Milestablishment whether in power or out of it. They are the ones holding all the guns and have the monopoly on kinetic actions, the ability to disappear people and run a massive fleet of Vigos. All other institutions manned by civilians are emasculated in front of them.

If IK were some how through a miracle manages to get legislation passed to make their meddling in civilian affairs illegal, I have full confidence the judiciary will knock it down as unconstitutional on the orders of these colonial sepoys and if they refuse they can be easily coerced.
 
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Oh bhai, what difference does it make when and where he goes after the Milestablishment whether in power or out of it. They are the ones holding all the guns and have the monopoly on kinetic actions, the ability to disappear people and run a massive fleet of Vigos. All other institutions manned by civilians are emasculated in front of them.

If IK were some how through a miracle manages to get legislation passed to make their meddling in civilian affairs illegal, I have full confidence the judiciary will knock it down as unconstitutional on the orders of these colonial sepoys and if they refuse they can be easily coerced.
That is where you need the people to be out on the streets. Same thing used to happen in Turkiye through 1950s-1995.
Military would topple government without a peep from the people.
But once people saw what Erdogan & AKP were doing, last coup attempt saw people come out and lay down in front of the tanks. I don’t think Pak Army will ever fire on the people if they are out enmass.
IK can only do so much, we the people have to come out.
 
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Consulting ‘absconder’ Nawaz over COAS choice a disgrace: Imran


Hamid Asghar | Ikram Junaidi
September 20, 2022



PTI chief Imran Khan addresses a rally on Monday. — DawnNewsTV

PTI chief Imran Khan addresses a rally on Monday. — DawnNewsTV

GUJAR KHAN / ISLAMABAD: Former prime minister Imran Khan on Monday castigated Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif for discussing the appointment of the next army chief with his elder brother, while the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf termed it a violation of the Official Secrets Act and a breach of the PM’s oath of office.

“We are seeing pictures [of Prime Minister] Shehbaz Sharif consulting Nawaz Sharif to appoint the next army chief,” the ex-premier said, adding that “what can be a bigger disgrace for our country that thieves are making decisions for us.”

Nawaz Sharif was a convict who had “lied to the nation and fled the country” as he had done during Musharraf’s regime, Mr Khan said, asking if “convicts and absconders” would be allowed to select the new army chief.
Referring to the chief of the military’s media wing, Mr Khan said he had questioned why they did not understand that ‘thieves’ should never select the army chief.



He said that he had only suggested that the next army chief be appointed on merit, but the Sharifs and Zardaris did not believe in merit.

If they did, “intellectuals like Aitzaz Ahsan would have been leading the PPP and seasoned politicians such as Chaudhry Nisar would not have parted ways with the PML-N,” he said.

Also on Monday, Fawad Chaudhry and Shireen Mazari chastised the PM for “violating his oath by consulting a convict and absconder” over such an important appointment. Mr Chaudhry said the PML-N ministers had admitted the meeting in London was pertaining to the appointment and that Nawaz Sharif decide who the new COAS would be.

He said that people held the Pakistan Army close to their hearts and allowing a convicted person to choose its head was against its dignity and respect. PTI strongly protests this grave legal violation, he added.

Dr Mazari, in her remarks, said: “Do those who brought crime minister and cabal of crooks to power realise that this lot is a security risk and threat to Pakistan because everything is discussed with convict sitting in London which is a violation of Official Secrets Act, including confidential matters?”

Shehbaz-Putin

While criticising Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif at the public meeting, Mr Khan showed a video clip of the premier, compiled by American comedian Jimmy Fallon, struggling to put on his earphones during his meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

He said, “Kaampain taang rahi thin” [legs were shaking] when Shehbaz met Putin. “Those who imposed him on us, they did not do it for he would serve the people but would fulfil their orders,” he said.

He asked what PM Shehbaz would achieve by attending the United Nations session. He said if the Sharifs and Zardaris bring back half of the looted money, there would be no need to beg from other powers.

Mr Khan said “he may have many disagreements with Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, but he was a respectful leader and was hanged to death by the then Mir Jaffar and Mir Sadiq by hatching a conspiracy”.

He said that “Bhutto also talked of Azadi (freedom)”.

Mr Khan then criticised the Sharifs for begging money from the world on one hand and looting billions of rupees in the name of their servants on the other. He said three witnesses and an FIA investigator died of cardiac arrest as soon as Mr Sharif came to power.

He said that international community was not helping Pakistan in testing times, because they knew the real face of ‘thieves’. “Nobody gives money to thieves,” he said, recalling that he collected Rs14 billion during three telethons as people knew he did not own any foreign property or keep money abroad.

He also criticised the Sindh government for not building a canal along the Indus River that he said resulted in the flooding of the towns .

He condemned the government action against those TV channels and journalists who were pro-PTI and said graceful journalists like Arshad Sharif and Sabbir Shakir were “forced to leave” the country. He said his aide Shahbaz Gill was tortured in jail, and he was booked for terrorism when he asked for action against those involved in torturing Mr Gill.

Meanwhile, Mr Khan claimed work on the mega Ravi City Project, which would have the world’s largest waterfront, was steadily progressing.

In a tweet on Monday, he revealed that the work was progressing on Ravi City, which has a $40 billion investment portfolio.




He has appointed 3 COASs while the accused couldn't draft a proper notification for extension when given a chance to appoint one.
 
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He has appointed 3 COASs while the accused couldn't draft a proper notification for extension when given a chance to appoint one.

Not only appointed COAS 3 times but also became a bhagora 2 times

You missed this part
 
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Why, the whole institution is corrupt and under the colonial yolk, unless you are willing to abolish and start anew, it is an exercise in futility. Either you raise a parallel force of men under arms to counter the colonial sepoys and bring about a revolution along lines of Khomeni and/or Taliban or you get with the colonial program. There is no middle ground.
No need for such drastic changes. You start by limiting COAS to 1 term and going after all the corrupt individuals in a ruthless but fare way. Corrupt politicians allow army to meddle because they are weak.

In the Long term privatize DHA and all the businesses army owns.

Once the economy starts to improve and the new government starts to deliver on its promises it will gain more strength.
 
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That is where you need the people to be out on the streets. Same thing used to happen in Turkiye through 1950s-1995.
Military would topple government without a peep from the people.
But once people saw what Erdogan & AKP were doing, last coup attempt saw people come out and lay down in front of the tanks. I don’t think Pak Army will ever fire on the people if they are out enmass.
IK can only do so much, we the people have to come out.
bengalis were not pakistani. droned pathans were not pakistani. missing baluch are not pakistani. pehli bar hum punjabion per baat ayee hai.
you underestimate the 21st century east india company.
 
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i believe doesn't matter who choses the COAS and who that person it maybe, if these politicians think that the person will defy it's institution than they are in for a rude awakening.

IK only is focusing on COAS ... bhai khuda ka khauf karu, our country is devastated and you and your opponents are busy throwing dirt at each other for self interest because you guys want power and chair, disgusting.

After lifting establishment's balls for ages our politician from every party believe that COAS is some sort of messiah.
They know if one gets choosen they cant change him without grave consequences, just ask bhutto or NS, so like our proud tradition of having "apna banda" they try to appoint what they think will turn a blind eye on their incompetence.

The saddest and the most disgusting thing is that, after winning 2023 GE, IK wll be working with the same chief he is now depicting as unpatriotic and undeserving of the post of COAS.
 
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No need for such drastic changes. You start by limiting COAS to 1 term and going after all the corrupt individuals in a ruthless but fare way. Corrupt politicians allow army to meddle because they are weak.

In the Long term privatize DHA and all the businesses army owns.

Once the economy starts to improve and the new government starts to deliver on its promises it will gain more strength.
All those measures/decisions can be easily co-opted/stopped by a single visit of a Vigo...

That is where you need the people to be out on the streets. Same thing used to happen in Turkiye through 1950s-1995.
Military would topple government without a peep from the people.
But once people saw what Erdogan & AKP were doing, last coup attempt saw people come out and lay down in front of the tanks. I don’t think Pak Army will ever fire on the people if they are out enmass.
IK can only do so much, we the people have to come out.
Turks are a different breed than Pakistanis, specifically the Punjabis of Pakistan...there is a millennia worth of history worth reading to understand the contrast...and why the latter will never stand for anything...These are the same people who were genocided by Sikhs only some 70 odd years ago and still have the highest level of affinity and admiration for those same Sikhs...
 
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All those measures/decisions can be easily co-opted/stopped by a single visit of a Vigo...


Turks are a different breed than Pakistanis, specifically the Punjabis of Pakistan...there is a millennia worth of history worth reading to understand the contrast...and why the latter will never stand for anything...These are the same people who were genocided by Sikhs only some 70 odd years ago and still have the highest level of affinity and admiration for those same Sikhs...
So what I am getting from your post is , just pack up because nothing will change.

That’s one way of living and the other is always having hope. Change will come but we have to believe.
 
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