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reminds me the great Mir Hossein Moussavi
what happened to him? he is still alive?
Constitutional proposals could allow Sisi to stay in power till 2034
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what happened to him? he is still alive?
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Don't compare Iraq with Iran or you will considered a fool...
I don't know him.
trying beating the iraqi army first before you take on others
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In June 2012, Mohamed Morsi won the presidential election with 51.73% of total votes to become the first democratically elected president of Egypt.[6][25][26] In June 2012, prior to Morsi being sworn in as President, the Supreme Constitutional Court ruled that the election law was unconstitutional and ordered the elected bodies dissolved. After assuming office, President Morsi appointed additional members to the advisory council from 35 political parties and invited the elected bodies to meet to discuss the ruling of the court.
The elected parliament determined that the constitutional court did not have authority to dissolve an elected parliament, then referred the matter to the Court of Cassation. The elected parliament could not pass any laws, but the advisory council continued to give advice on proposed Presidential Decrees. Parliament also proceeded with creation of a new constitutional committee to draft amendments to the Egyptian Constitution, replacing the committee created in March 2012 but dissolved by the constitutional court. Proposed constitutional amendments were approved in December 2012 by a national referendum.[27]
New elections were scheduled for April 2013 under a law approved in draft by the constitutional court, but were postponed to October 2013 to comply with a technical order of an administrative court.[28][29]
In November 2012, following the protests against the Constitutional Declaration by Morsi, opposition politicians – including Mohamed ElBaradei, Amr Moussa and Hamdeen Sabahi, according to the Wall Street Journal – started holding confidential meetings with army leaders, in order to discuss ways of removing President Morsi.[30]
On 28 April 2013, Tamarod was started as a grassroots movement to collect signatures to remove Morsi by 30 June. They called for peaceful demonstrations across Egypt especially in front of the Presidential Palace in Cairo.[31] The movement was supported by the National Salvation Front, April 6 Youth Movement and Strong Egypt Party.[32][33]
In a poll published by PEW research center in May 2013, 54% of Egyptians approved of Morsi against a 43% who saw him negatively, while about 30% were happy with the direction of the country, 73% thought positively of the army and only 35% were content about local policy authorities.[34] In the lead up to the protests, a Gallup poll indicated that about a third of Egyptians said they were "suffering" and viewed their lives poorly.[35]
At a conference on 15 June, Morsi called for foreign intervention in Syria.[36] According to Yasser El-Shimy, an analyst with the International Crisis Group, this statement crossed "a national security red line." The army rebuked this statement the next day by stating that its only role was to guard Egypt's borders. Although the Egyptian constitution ostensibly declares the president as the supreme commander of the armed forces, the Egyptian military is independent of civilian control.[37]
As the first anniversary of Morsi's presidential inauguration approached in 2013, his supporters such as the National Coalition for Supporting Legitimacy started demonstrations at multiple places including El-Hossari Mosque, El-Nahda Square, outside Cairo University, outside Al-Rayan Mosque in the posh suburb of Maadi, and in Ain Shams district. They had started open-ended rallies.[38] The largest protest was planned for 30 June.
Causes:
The removal of Morsi from office by the coalition was a result of a coup d'état following protests, that were instigated by frustration with Morsi's year-long rule in which Egypt faced economic issues, energy shortages, lack of security, and diplomatic crises.[40] Some of the issues that might have caused the protests and lead to the later removal of Morsi include:
30 June: Anti-Morsi demonstrations
On 30 June, according to unverified military sources, 14 million protesters demonstrated across Egypt against Morsi bellowing their anger at the Brotherhood, which they accuse of hijacking Egypt's revolution and using electoral victories to monopolize power and impose Islamic law.[74] Thousands in support of Morsi gathered in Rabaa Square in Cairo and other cities, with majority of Islamist sentiments.[75] The Egyptian Armed Forces claimed the number to be at 14 million and reportedly one of the biggest protests in world history.[76] In Damietta, 250 fishing boat sailors demonstrated against Morsi by sailing through the Nile and chanting against him.[77] The President moved that day from the Quba Palace to the Republican Guard headquarters, while protesters thought he was at Ittihadeya Palace.[70]
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The announcement of the removal of Morsi was met with cheers in Tahrir Square.[112] Anti-Morsi protesters shouted "Allahu akbar" and "Long live Egypt" and launched fireworks[108] as green laser lights held by those in the crowd lit the sky.[113] Mohamed el-Baradei says the coup was to rectify the issues of the revolution.
The Coptic Pope Tawadros II, Grand Imam of al-Azhar Ahmed el-Tayeb, Mohamed ElBaradei[114] and some of the youth leaders of Tamarod, Mahmoud Badr and Mohamed Abdelaziz, spoke in support of the military intervention. The al-Nour party also commented in saying that the events occurred as they were not heard in their call for dialogue. Party Secretary-General Galal Murra commented that: "we took this position (on agreeing to the army political road map) and we took these decisions only so we stop the bloodshed of our people."[115] Pro-Morsi protesters heard a statement from Morsi, which was published on his Facebook page. He called the move a "coup" and rejected the Armed Forces' statement.
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A poll by baseera shows 17% of Egyptians believe that the sit-ins were peaceful, while 67% believe they were not. Another poll by baseera shows 69% of Egyptians do not approve of the Muslim Brotherhood's continuation (in politics), 57% of Egyptians feel the Muslim Brotherhood is responsible for all instances of violence since the sit-in dispersals.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Egyptian_coup_d'état
So in brief..Morsi wanted to intervene militarily in the Syrian conflict, while Egyptians were going through harsh times at home...And the Army along with other political parties said no.. Morsi was the real wannabe dictator..but he failed.. it is a shame to call Sisi a dictator out of ignorance and believing other countries propaganda and own Agendas..The Egyptian armed forces did the best any army could do to save its nation from dictatorship, foreign wars and more hardship..The results are stunning and very positive.. so, only the ignorants with a dent against Egypt will disseminate such propaganda against Sisi who has his own positive plan for Egypt proving it eveyday..
The title of the thread sounds fake if it comes from Egyptian sources, because Sisi won't like to be there when he his over 80 years old.. but maybe another 2 years over this term (since the proposal was to extend the presidency term to 6 years instead of 4.. renewable one time), while he prepares a new capable generation of statesmen and women..
The elected parliament determined that the constitutional court did not have authority to dissolve an elected parliament, then referred the matter to the Court of Cassation. The elected parliament could not pass any laws, but the advisory council continued to give advice on proposed Presidential Decrees. Parliament also proceeded with creation of a new constitutional committee to draft amendments to the Egyptian Constitution, replacing the committee created in March 2012 but dissolved by the constitutional court. Proposed constitutional amendments were approved in December 2012 by a national referendum.[27]
New elections were scheduled for April 2013 under a law approved in draft by the constitutional court, but were postponed to October 2013 to comply with a technical order of an administrative court.[28][29]
In November 2012, following the protests against the Constitutional Declaration by Morsi, opposition politicians – including Mohamed ElBaradei, Amr Moussa and Hamdeen Sabahi, according to the Wall Street Journal – started holding confidential meetings with army leaders, in order to discuss ways of removing President Morsi.[30]
On 28 April 2013, Tamarod was started as a grassroots movement to collect signatures to remove Morsi by 30 June. They called for peaceful demonstrations across Egypt especially in front of the Presidential Palace in Cairo.[31] The movement was supported by the National Salvation Front, April 6 Youth Movement and Strong Egypt Party.[32][33]
In a poll published by PEW research center in May 2013, 54% of Egyptians approved of Morsi against a 43% who saw him negatively, while about 30% were happy with the direction of the country, 73% thought positively of the army and only 35% were content about local policy authorities.[34] In the lead up to the protests, a Gallup poll indicated that about a third of Egyptians said they were "suffering" and viewed their lives poorly.[35]
At a conference on 15 June, Morsi called for foreign intervention in Syria.[36] According to Yasser El-Shimy, an analyst with the International Crisis Group, this statement crossed "a national security red line." The army rebuked this statement the next day by stating that its only role was to guard Egypt's borders. Although the Egyptian constitution ostensibly declares the president as the supreme commander of the armed forces, the Egyptian military is independent of civilian control.[37]
As the first anniversary of Morsi's presidential inauguration approached in 2013, his supporters such as the National Coalition for Supporting Legitimacy started demonstrations at multiple places including El-Hossari Mosque, El-Nahda Square, outside Cairo University, outside Al-Rayan Mosque in the posh suburb of Maadi, and in Ain Shams district. They had started open-ended rallies.[38] The largest protest was planned for 30 June.
Causes:
The removal of Morsi from office by the coalition was a result of a coup d'état following protests, that were instigated by frustration with Morsi's year-long rule in which Egypt faced economic issues, energy shortages, lack of security, and diplomatic crises.[40] Some of the issues that might have caused the protests and lead to the later removal of Morsi include:
- A year earlier (on 22 November 2012), President Morsi enacted a constitutional declaration, granting the presidential power to appoint the People's Prosecutor, and until the constitution was finalized, and a new People's Assembly was elected, all Presidential decisions were final and irrefutable. The declaration also immunized the Constituent Assembly and Shura Council from dissolution.[41] The declaration was later abrogated before referendum due to multiple protests and public anger.[42][43][verification needed]
- Muslim Brotherhood and their ruling political party using the majority of their members and allies in the constitutional committee to pass a hotly disputed constitution. Even approved by 64% of Egyptians who voted, it was noted only about 30% of Egyptians with voting rights participated in the referendum process.[44][45] which caused secular and liberal party members and church representatives to withdraw from the committee.[46][47][48]
- Power, gas and economical crises.[49][50][51] Plans to cut subsidies in exchange for a $4.8 billion IMF loan which would cause an increase in the price of gas, electricity, food and taxes.[52]
- Several diplomatic problems including construction of Ethiopian dam along the Nile river, affecting Egypt's share of water.[53][54]
- Security of the state worsened; two of the most prominent stories related to security under Morsi were: the murder of 16 border guards in Sinai in an attack and the abduction of 7 Egyptian security personnel who were later released.[55][56]
- Egyptian Army economic interests.[57][58] These include local civil industry, army foreign partnerships related to maritime and air transport, oil and gas and industrial-scale environmental projects such as wastewater treatment and energy generation. Modern economy have always threatened the military economic position.[59][60][61]
- On 1 March 2015 Pro-Muslim brotherhood TV Channel in Turkey released audio recording of senior Egyptian officials which suggested that when Mohamed Morsi was president, United Arab Emirates gave money to Egyptian defense ministry for protest campaign against Morsi, Some money was also transferred to Tamarod.[62][63]
30 June: Anti-Morsi demonstrations
On 30 June, according to unverified military sources, 14 million protesters demonstrated across Egypt against Morsi bellowing their anger at the Brotherhood, which they accuse of hijacking Egypt's revolution and using electoral victories to monopolize power and impose Islamic law.[74] Thousands in support of Morsi gathered in Rabaa Square in Cairo and other cities, with majority of Islamist sentiments.[75] The Egyptian Armed Forces claimed the number to be at 14 million and reportedly one of the biggest protests in world history.[76] In Damietta, 250 fishing boat sailors demonstrated against Morsi by sailing through the Nile and chanting against him.[77] The President moved that day from the Quba Palace to the Republican Guard headquarters, while protesters thought he was at Ittihadeya Palace.[70]
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The announcement of the removal of Morsi was met with cheers in Tahrir Square.[112] Anti-Morsi protesters shouted "Allahu akbar" and "Long live Egypt" and launched fireworks[108] as green laser lights held by those in the crowd lit the sky.[113] Mohamed el-Baradei says the coup was to rectify the issues of the revolution.
The Coptic Pope Tawadros II, Grand Imam of al-Azhar Ahmed el-Tayeb, Mohamed ElBaradei[114] and some of the youth leaders of Tamarod, Mahmoud Badr and Mohamed Abdelaziz, spoke in support of the military intervention. The al-Nour party also commented in saying that the events occurred as they were not heard in their call for dialogue. Party Secretary-General Galal Murra commented that: "we took this position (on agreeing to the army political road map) and we took these decisions only so we stop the bloodshed of our people."[115] Pro-Morsi protesters heard a statement from Morsi, which was published on his Facebook page. He called the move a "coup" and rejected the Armed Forces' statement.
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A poll by baseera shows 17% of Egyptians believe that the sit-ins were peaceful, while 67% believe they were not. Another poll by baseera shows 69% of Egyptians do not approve of the Muslim Brotherhood's continuation (in politics), 57% of Egyptians feel the Muslim Brotherhood is responsible for all instances of violence since the sit-in dispersals.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Egyptian_coup_d'état
So in brief..Morsi wanted to intervene militarily in the Syrian conflict, while Egyptians were going through harsh times at home...And the Army along with other political parties said no.. Morsi was the real wannabe dictator..but he failed.. it is a shame to call Sisi a dictator out of ignorance and believing other countries propaganda and own Agendas..The Egyptian armed forces did the best any army could do to save its nation from dictatorship, foreign wars and more hardship..The results are stunning and very positive.. so, only the ignorants with a dent against Egypt will disseminate such propaganda against Sisi who has his own positive plan for Egypt proving it eveyday..
The title of the thread sounds fake if it comes from Egyptian sources, because Sisi won't like to be there when he his over 80 years old.. but maybe another 2 years over this term (since the proposal was to extend the presidency term to 6 years instead of 4.. renewable one time), while he prepares a new capable generation of statesmen and women..
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You shouldn't scream on the roof to say sb is your ally or not ... like Afghanistan after 18 years zbig admitted you hatched a plot to drag the SU into Afghanistan war ..or Chile first you denied then admitted ..
On Iraq-Iran war:
It took the UNSC 10 years to issue a resolution against usage of CW while 100000 Iranian were killed or injured do to use of chemical weapons by saddam during war and the only reason was political support to cover saddam ..
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long history of some 70years man
carry onLet us be clear on this. No American can force Soviet Union to invade Afghanistan.
People can make all kinds of claims. It means squat.
USA has admitted involvement in the plot to overthrow Allende
USA did not start the Iran-Iraq war. All of you keep dodging the question how come during the cold war an supposedly American stooge like Saddam has his army equipped with 80% Soviet hardware. His army does not have American tanks. It has T-72 and T-55s. He does not have F-16s but MiGs. USSR continued support for Saddam until end of Iran-Iraq war.
USA sent Rumsfeld as an envoy. So what ?? The number of countries who do not receive an American envoy is probably counted on two hands. The Assad clan who are no friends of USA has meet with American delegations numerous times.
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