'Confucius on talks': A few words about the thought of Confucius

[Viva_Viet]

8. 三人同行必有我師.

tam nhân đồng hành tất hữu ngã sư
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Between 03 guys go together, 01 must be our teacher. It mean u always can learn the new things from the others, dont worship individualism .

VN join every FTA cos we believe that we can learn many new good things from other nations.

 

[vi-va]

Lets continue the confucius thought VN still using today

05. Tiên trách kỷ, hậu trách nhân 先 责 己 、 后 责 人 xiān zé jǐ hòu zé rén

Blame yourself before blaming the others when bad things happened

Just like when Covid pademic happened in Wuhan, we didnt blame CN for spreading virus like US is doing, we blame ourselves for not buying/making enough PPE before the pademic.

And we tried to correct our mistake buy doing social distancing quickly while we also try to make as many PPE as possible.

finally, VN is the first one becoming Covid free nation wt Zero death.

VN is one of the top 3 countries fighting with Coronavirus in the world. Very successful.

I list reason below:

1. State first, community first, freedom second.
2. Obey the social distance order.
3. Many volunteers take the risk and help the society.
4. Many doctors take the most risk, do not complain at all.
5. Systematic social activity monitoring and control.

What VN, China, and Korea did is typical collective ideology(Confucius) instead of western individual ideology. While the west almost doing everything opposite.

 

[艹艹艹]

Do foreigners understand Confucianism better than Chinese?
Do they know Dong Zhongshu, zhu xi, wang yangming?

 

[Viva_Viet]

Do foreigners understand Confucianism better than Chinese?
Do they know Dong Zhongshu, zhu xi, wang yangming?

Based on VN news, CN Govt abandoned Confucius in 1927, Ho Chi Minh, a confucian felt so regret abt it, he believed that CN just lost a very important culture when abandoning Confucius.

Cnese stop using Confucius since 1927, thats why most of Cnese mainly practice Confucius wt their nature instinct now ( love the families, worship the ancestors, respect the others but CN bullying the weakers and make them get angry and fight back.

 

[艹艹艹]

Based on VN news, CN Govt abandoned Confucius in 1927, Ho Chi Minh, a confucian felt so regret abt it, he believed that CN just lost a very important culture when abandoning Confucius.

Cnese stop using Confucius since 1927, thats why most of Cnese mainly practice Confucius wt their nature instinct now ( love the families, worship the ancestors, respect the others but CN bullying the weakers and make them get angry and fight back.

Bullsh!t
You don't know what Confucianism is, you only know kongzi

 

[Viva_Viet]

Bullsh!t
You don't know what Confucianism is, you only know kongzi

While u r just born in a farmer family ,who didnt even know how to write properly in 1927

VN is one of the top 3 countries fighting with Coronavirus in the world. Very successful.

I list reason below:

1. State first, community first, freedom second.
2. Obey the social distance order.
3. Many volunteers take the risk and help the society.
4. Many doctors take the most risk, do not complain at all.
5. Systematic social activity monitoring and control.

What VN, China, and Korea did is typical collective ideology(Confucius) instead of western individual ideology. While the west almost doing everything opposite.

western individual ideology is terrible during the pademic and the worse is that: they Can Not fix it !

Why ? Bcs they can not manufacture enough PPE in cheap price to send in time to hundred millions ppl during the pademic.
France tried to make medical mask during Covid, but the price is too high, ppl cant afford to buy, so Frech still have to buy masks from CN and VN in much cheaper price.

Individualism is killing them in the pademic.

 

[vi-va]

While u r just born in a farmer family ,who didnt even know how to write properly in 1927


western individual ideology is terrible during the pademic and the worse is that: they Can Not fix it !

Why ? Bcs they can not manufacture enough PPE in cheap price to send in time to hundred millions ppl during the pademic.
France tried to make medical mask during Covid, but the price is too high, ppl cant afford to buy, so Frech still have to buy masks from CN and VN in much cheaper price.

Individualism is killing them in the pademic.

A good society must balance the individualism and collectivism. Too much individualism will destroy the community, while too much collectivism will destroy individuals.
I think VN an China is balancing those two, while many society, like US, India is losing control.

 

[PeacefulWar]

Do foreigners understand Confucianism better than Chinese?
Do they know Dong Zhongshu, zhu xi, wang yangming?

Please avoid being an asshole in this thread.
Also Confucianism development/interpretations since Song dynasty is pure rubbish IMHO

 

[Viva_Viet]

A good society must balance the individualism and collectivism. Too much individualism will destroy the community, while too much collectivism will destroy individuals.
I think VN an China is balancing those two, while many society, like US, India is losing control.

True, we must keep our society in balance, that why there r many kinds of religious/ideals in VN ( Muslim, Christian, Catholic, local VN religious, Confucius, Buddhism, communism, individualism, etc ), but the main core value is Confucius mixed wt communism.

U cant make cheap and good quality products when your workers worship individualism and keep asking for more salary, more day off, more "human rights", more protesting etc.

Thats why France failed to sell "made in France" medical masks to its own ppl cos the price is too high due to super high labor cost while millions French r jobless due to Covid

 

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Despite what people say Confucianism is actually a religion in a Chinese sense, because past emperors use it to subdued the population like how kings in Europe use the Christian religion to subdued their peasant class.

The different is, the Europeans lower class eventually found out it was just a control scam to keep them down so they separated it from the state at least for the more progressives ones while China’s lower class didn’t until well in the 20th century. This is why the CCP old guard including Mao hates it a lot.

There were peasant revolts In the past but the idea that peasants can rule themselves without emperors and kings didn’t come up until USA visited China in the 19th century. Which is why Confucianism was around until Mao took over. Chiang just wants to use it to control the present class as usual.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Despite what people say Confucianism is actually a religion in a Chinese sense, because past emperors use it to subdued the population like how kings in Europe use the Christian religion to subdued their peasant class.

The different is, the Europeans lower class eventually found out it was just a control scam to keep them down so they separated it from the state at least for the more progressives ones while China’s lower class didn’t until well in the 20th century. This is why the CCP old guard including Mao hates it a lot.

There were peasant revolts In the past but the idea that peasants can rule themselves without emperors and kings didn’t come up until USA visited China in the 19th century. Which is why Confucianism was around until Mao took over. Chiang just wants to use it to control the present class as usual.

Dong Zhongshu twisted many words from Confucius master , so the Han emperors could finally use Confucius to subdue the peasants like Mao.

Its explain why Mao hate confucius and started anti confucius campaign during Culture revolution.

But seem like Mao didnt know the difference between true Confucius and twisted confucius make by Dong Zhongshu cos Mao was just a poor educated farmer, so confucius in CN gone with the wind

Thats why when I saw some Pak members here asked abt Confucius book in English, none of Cnese here answered them, seem like u guys also dont know abt Confucius anymore after Culture revolution

 

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Dong Zhongshu twisted many words from Confucius master , so the Han emperors could finally use Confucius to subdue the peasants like Mao.

Its explain why Mao hate confucius and started anti confucius campaign during Culture revolution.

But seem like Mao didnt know the difference between true Confucius and twisted confucius make by Dong Zhongshu cos Mao was just a poor educated farmer, so confucius in CN gone with the wind

Thats why when I saw some Pak members here asked abt Confucius book in English, none of Cnese here answered them, seem like u guys also dont know abt Confucius anymore after Culture revolution

Doesn’t matter what you say, some people will use excuses this and that and than change it little by little until we will be back under Confucianism under the Qing dynasty. The best policy is to simply abandon it all together like how the reform Christians did the with the Roman Catholic Religion.

Besides why do you even care about China?? Just stick to Vietnam topics, I don’t really care if Vietnam’s wants to go backward again,

 

[PeacefulWar]

Doesn’t matter what you say, some people will use excuses this and that and than change it little by little until we will be back under Confucianism under the Qing dynasty. The best policy is to simply abandon it all together like how the reform Christians did the with the Roman Catholic Religion.

Besides why do you even care about China?? Just stick to Vietnam topics, I don’t really care if Vietnam’s wants to go backward again,

If there no basic level of democracy, then no matter what you have will be twisted to serve the dicators.
You seems confused by such things.
Did communism say Kim Jong-un show rule North Korea like a emperor?

 

[Viva_Viet]

Doesn’t matter what you say, some people will use excuses this and that and than change it little by little until we will be back under Confucianism under the Qing dynasty. The best policy is to simply abandon it all together like how the reform Christians did the with the Roman Catholic Religion.

Besides why do you even care about China?? Just stick to Vietnam topics, I don’t really care if Vietnam’s wants to go backward again,

True, I didn't care abt a nation thats found by poor educated famer like Mao. Mao only want "red better than expert people ".

I just explain why Cnese failed to discuss abt Confucius, cos actually Mao trained all of u guys to become "red guards", no more Confucius experts /lecturers in mainland CN after culture revolution

 

[PeacefulWar]

True, I didn't care abt a nation thats found by poor educated famer like Mao. Mao only want "red better than expert people ".

I just explain why Cnese failed to discuss abt Confucius, cos actually Mao trained all of u guys to become "red guards", no more Confucius experts /lecturers in mainland CN after culture revolution

This is also not true.
It's a good thread, let's avoid trolling each other at least...