What's new

Confirmed : PAF Negotiating For L-15 LIFT Aircrafts !

Which aircraft exactly? Why is it such a big secret if they were truly decommissioned?
Ac like ft5/f5, f6/ft6 f7 A5 Mirage 3/5 etc are their most out in the open..... its a ac boneyard with a a couple of operational sqd in the mix.

The terrorists were after the ucav n somthing else but they climbed the fence from the wrong side.....my guess
 
.
does this mean paf is looking to buy twin engine jets in the future

Not necessarily. The overall thrust isn't much of L-15s small engines. Fighter training applicable to both single engine or twin. IMO, mainly its for J-10Cs

BTW, twin engines are not new for PAF. PAF has operated twin engines for several decades.
For-example:
A-5s, F-6s
 
.
So it confirms that fact that nothing was left at Mianwali AFB ....PGs gone, L-15 in...
Not necessarily. The PAF wanted to get a new LIFT since 2017-2018.

I'd rather say the real need now is that the majority -- if not near-entirety -- of the PAF fighter fleet will comprise of 4/4+-gen multirole fighters in a couple of years. Consequently, every fresh GDP will have to fly either a JF-17, J-10CE, or F-16, thus exposing inexperienced people to comparatively complex and capable systems vs. F-7P/PGs and non-upgraded Mirage III/5. The old F-7s and Mirages don't have TDLs, multimode radars capable of BVR, targeting pods, HMD/S or HMCS, ECM, SOWs, etc.

Earlier, I think the PAF was planning to train new pilots with everything they needed to know at the OCU level. In fact, not only did they raise a full OCU unit for the JF-17 via the JF-17B, but they also planned to provide each squadron with 1-2 JF-17Bs to continue training. So, there was a plan to get new pilots up to speed at two levels -- i.e., OCU and the frontline squadron.

However, after doing this for a couple of years, I think the fighter units sent feedback to AHQ about the need to provide more training at an earlier level, hence the need for a dedicated LIFT. I can see the logic: You have all this great equipment, but many of your aircrews don't have enough training to use most of it. So, you're sticking squadrons who should be focusing on familiarizing pilots with a specific plane to also work on other stuff, which slows those units down from having enough combat-ready flights.

In the lead up to pursuing the L-15, the PAF set up a new LIFT squadron and added it to the training regimen, placing it between FCU and OCU. This was to likely develop the processes so that when the day comes, adding something like the L-15 would be relatively smooth. It didn't happen earlier because, well, Pakistan doesn't have a lot of money to work with.
 
Last edited:
.
Reportedly captured over Kamra where it's said to be flying around on daily basis.

FB_IMG_1700588814353.jpg
 
.
Not necessarily. The PAF wanted to get a new LIFT since 2017-2018.

I'd rather say the real need now is that the majority -- if not near-entirety -- of the PAF fighter fleet will comprise of 4/4+-gen multirole fighters in a couple of years. Consequently, every fresh GDP will have to fly either a JF-17, J-10CE, or F-16, thus exposing inexperienced people to comparatively complex and capable systems vs. F-7P/PGs and non-upgraded Mirage III/5. The old F-7s and Mirages don't have TDLs, multimode radars capable of BVR, targeting pods, HMD/S or HMCS, ECM, SOWs, etc.

This makes the most sense.

In the lead up to pursuing the L-15, the PAF set up a new LIFT squadron and added it to the training regimen, placing it between FCU and OCU. This was to likely develop the processes so that when the day comes, adding something like the L-15 would be relatively smooth. It didn't happen earlier because, well, Pakistan doesn't have a lot of money to work with.

Wouldn't this increase the training time of a pilot officer now? Or will the total time until operational proficiency remain the same?
 
. . . .
View attachment 1025034
The news was circulating when the L-15s were seen flying from Karachi to Islamabad and then on to Dubai. Furthermore it's said they would be stopping in Pakistan during their return flight.

Breaking : CATIC has confirmed to correspondents during Dubai Air Show 2023 that Pakistan is in formal negotiations for acquisition of L-15 LIFT fighters to replace its aging F-7PG fighters which are currently used to carry out Operational Conversion of PAF Pilots.

View attachment 1025024
Confirmed! Brazil is buying JF17.
Confirmed! Pakistan is buying SCAR.
Yeh laylo aik or confirmed.
 
. . . . .
Somehow, this acquisition seems to link with recent AFB attack. Too much to say but not on an open forum.

@Falgrine
Not you too dude.
Deciding to acquire such platforms doesn't happen overnight, as @Raider 21 pointed out earlier that the feasibility study for the subject aircraft has been on going for over a decade.
 
.
Somehow, this acquisition seems to link with recent AFB attack. Too much to say but not on an open forum.

@Falgrine
The worst case scenario is that the L-15 dossier cut to the top of the pile due to the attack. However, I can confidently say that it was pretty high up the stack before that situation, but couldn't move due to fiscal constraints. Just imagine the fallout if they did order it back in 2018, and they ended up at Mianwali instead...
 
.

Pakistan Defence Latest Posts

Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom