Compromise CPEC and get out of FATF grey list; Alice Wells to Pakistan.

[GHALIB]

koi sharam hoti hai
kuch haya hoti hai

they are in power now

 

[khansaheeb]

This is an unrealistic and unreasonable request by Alice.

I am sure she will reconsider her options once appraised of Pakistan's surviving FATF on merit alone.

There is no reason for Ms. Alice to politicize FATF. It becomes a hallmark for weak negotiation skills this callous attitude.

FATF is a political blackmail, nothing else. If not FATF they will come up with something else.

 

[LeGenD]

Pak gave these companies contracts not Alice means massive kick backs


All of them not most of them I feel we sitting over a time bomb here sooner or later we will know.
China known for these thing they have different companies to deal with different parts of world like West and US they have tier one means good clean companies and Africa and South Asia the rest of bunch.
Pak should assure US CPEC is all about businesses not military except Pak Military as security also invite US to invest CPEC So theior fears and doubts should be settle.

Bro,

PML(N) under his holiness Nawaz Sharif transformed Pakistan's seemingly white economy into a black economy for receiving kickbacks and overseas investments (i.e. money laundering) under the KHAO AUR KHILAOO philosophy. Hence the infamous NOON catch-phrase: "khaatey hain tou kihaltein bhee hain." I literally cringe whenever I hear this Satanic catch-phrase from anybody's mouth.

Towards that end, any company was welcome to invest in Pakistan under the banner of CPEC which would be a willing partner in facilitating kickbacks policy of PML(N)-led government, and contracts for Pakistani mega-projects were not being rewarded to credible companies on MERIT. Look at Nandipur Power Plant and Lahore Orange Train - both are DUDS. This manjaan was also sold to the establishment with holier than thou COAS Kiyani at its helm - all was fair if establishment could also profit from the enterprise. Kiyani got his extension while KHAO AUR KHILAOO philosophy was in full swing. Heck, look at the Reko Diq scandal for which Qana Dajjal was primarily responsible. Accountability ???

Smugglers and even the Taliban in Afghanistan started to benefit from Pakistan's black economy unfortunately.

Meanwhile Pakistan and USA were slowly drifting apart, and PML(N)-led government didn't even give a shit. In fact, our esteemed Secretary of Defense Khawaja Asif threatened to attack Israel with nuclear weapons on a FAKE REPORT - seriously WTF? On the other hand, Nooni agents were directed to mislead gullible masses with "Amerika CPEC dushman" slogans. Can you imagine where all of this was heading towards?

American establishment eventually sprang into action and Panama Leaks came to spotlight. Now the winds were beginning to shift and his holiness Nawaz Sharif was in trouble. PML(N)-led government and collaborators were in PANIC MODE as well. Next came the FATF hammer while PML(N) tasted defeat in Pakistan's national elections (2018). India also began to receive offers for massive investments and supply of high-tech arms. Now Establishment also got the memo with decent COAS Bajwa at its helm.

PTI-led government took charge of the Pakistan's affairs and is simply trying to steer Pakistan away from the aforementioned "disaster." Unfortunately, some people are misreading Imran Khan and his moves. He is trying to fix things for the better with his much-touted ACCOUNTABILITY campaign. Money laundering black economy is no longer feasible, and CPEC is also under review in connection.

Whoops.... I said too much.... I need to apply for Assylum now.... Help me please...

@jaibi do something.

 

[jaibi]

Think you've covered it quite comprehensively, sir
For my own two cents I really don't want to go into the politics of it as enough has been said.
However, in terms of economics and geopolitics CPEC is a part of a game changer in the world - the new silk road of the world. The previous one was a huge influencer on world affairs and this one will be too. I think it would be unwise for us to not be a part of it for our own advantage. Granted we could do with more transparency but I think it has more to do with one thing that's the problem for all political parties and no one wants to talk about: our inept bureaucracy. It simply cannot be trusted, in my view to keep things confidential, mind you political parties have done this before, they can be brought to the table but the bureaucracy can sabotage this easily; thus, full transparency may be an issue. Moreover, there are clearly international lobbies who don't want it so there's that too.

Bro,

PML(N) under his holiness Nawaz Sharif transformed Pakistan's seemingly white economy into a black economy for receiving kickbacks and overseas investments (i.e. money laundering) under the KHAO AUR KHILAOO philosophy. Hence the infamous NOON catch-phrase: "khaatey hain tou kihaltein bhee hain." I literally cringe whenever I hear this Satanic catch-phrase from anybody's mouth.

Towards that end, any company was welcome to invest in Pakistan under the banner of CPEC which would be a willing partner in facilitating kickbacks policy of PML(N)-led government, and contracts for Pakistani mega-projects were not being rewarded to credible companies on MERIT. Look at Nandipur Power Plant and Lahore Orange Train - both are DUDS. This manjaan was also sold to the establishment with holiar than thou COAS Kiyani at its helm - all was fair if establishment could also profit from the enterprise. Kiyani got his extension while KHAO AUR KHILAOO philosophy waa in full swing. Heck, look at the Reko Diq scandal for which Qana Dajjal was primarily responsible. Where is the accountability?

Smugglers and even the Taliban in Afghanistan started to benefit from Pakistan's black economy unfoetunately.

Meanwhile Pakistan and USA were slowly drifting apart, and PML(N)-led government didn't even give a shit. In fact, our esteemed Secretary of Defense Khawaja Asif threatened to attack Israel with nuclear weapons on a FAKE REPORT - seriously WTF? On the other hand, Nooni agents were directed to mislead gullible masses with "Amerika CPEC dushman" slogans. Can you imagine where all of this heading towards?

American establishment eventually sprang into action and Panama Leaks came to spotlight. Now the winds were beginning to shift and his holiness Nawaz Sharif was in trouble. PML(N)-led government and collaborators were in PANIC MODE. Next came the FATF hammer while PML(N) tasted defeat in Pakistan's national elections (2018). India also began to receive offers for massive investments and supply of high-tech arms. Now Establishment also got the memo with COAS Bajwa at its helm.

PTI-led government took charge of the Pakistan's affairs and is simply trying to steer Pakistan away from "disaster." Unfortunately, people are misreading Imran Khan and his moves. He is trying to fix things for the better with the ACCOUNTABILITY campaign. Money laundering Black economy is no longer feasible and CPEC is also under review in connection.

Whoops.... I said too much.... I need to apply for Assylum now.... Help me please...

@jaibi do something.

 

[Minho]

highly doubt the US made an offer like that. Even if it did, it wouldn't be able to deliver, considering it takes multiple countries to get a country of the greylist

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

We will join Iran and North Korea

Hmmm do we still have to pay our loan back?
irani probably dont make enough money but they eat well poverty is not a bad thing but we have to avoid as much as we cud.

 

[khansaheeb]

Amazingly Pakistan and Pakistanis are the only country in the world worried about loan payments.

Evidence is the failed austerity drive how detached is the government from the masses high on political slogans.

CPEC for Pakistan is a natural thing. The project is already well documented and this is quite an old story only picking up pace due to deadline coming up.

Calm your emaandari testosterone down

The Pakistanis are being fed with whispers and discords by the enemies of Pakistan to damage CPEC.

 

[jaibi]

Even without us making out of the list; CPEC makes more sense for us due to geographical proximity as well. It's simply more feasible.

highly doubt the US made an offer like that. Even if it did, it wouldn't be able to deliver, considering it takes multiple countries to get a country of the greylist

 

[ADIL SHERDIL]

Sadly that is a worry for most Pakistanis.

We want a homegrown negotiator not a foreign bred peace monger.

Sir who do you have in Mind? Nawaz aur Zaradari? Most Pakistani, Please tell what you think, you dont know what other people think.
USA is bullying it ways around in the world this is how they deal with other countries either you are with them or against them until unless there business with them is done. They have done more damage then good. Alice Well is showing their mindset.
Pakistan should do whatever is in our best interest. As far as FATF is considered these organizations are created to put pressure on the countries which dont agree with their point of view.

 

[Crusher]

China is the ONLY true dependable friend of Pakistan!

 

[masterchief_mirza]

If true, USA must be told to simply go shag itself.

 

[The Eagle]

Despite our differences & disagreements with US due to history between both the countries; one shouldn't flame the hatred at all like this merely based upon some chatters as such. People having no knowledge or insider view mostly through such bluffs to flush out (a may be) insider news or leaks. Does anyone believe that US will make a move as such only in lieu of FATF Grey List exemption?

There are a lot more strategical gains & interests to take down political influencing tool like FATF Grey List as compare to compromising our sovereignty & CPEC. Allow to me say that but a thread without any credible source or input on an issue as such where Pakistan is already moving ahead to build relation with US on mutual & equal interests of both parties; is yet another attempt by those chatting around to sabotage any progress and make more enemies. What is more to dismay is that even though our enemies in any form aren't happy with CPEC or progress of Pakistan and will be making every effort to harm the development; such rumors will affect our needed relations & effective foreign policy as well. Didn't we distance from an Ally status since a while and then how can we forget that there has to be leverage to make such kind of demands having more gains than the project like CPEC. We are already making enough progress in regard to Grey List removal & we do have nations to favour us as well. An atmosphere of FATF being political tool, is being created and there are parties having concerns as well.

Lest not forget that Pakistan wouldn't compromise on any term of our sovereignty and these rumors are deliberately injected into society to fuel hatred while taking advantage of our past relations and proven experience. Let's just say that it is more to damage our progress to have one less enemy as compare to a close friendly.

 

[Verve]

If Americans have proposed some amendments in CPEC then it is the prerogative of GOP to review this proposal and make a decision. I see this as the responsibility of GOP to clarify American proposal to the Public as a confidence-building measure.

How many companies are involved in CPEC? How many are blacklisted? Just another reminder why transparency for CPEC is important. Public should know.

Rumors are not sufficient; often misleading. Baat kuch hoti hai leikin uss kaa batangarr bun jaata hai.

Is the public rioting on streets demanding clarity on CPEC? PTI has done a lot of CPEC contract restructuring already so we don't need to give a damn about what USA and her tattoos say about CPEC.

USA has blacklisted a few very sensitive organisations of Pakistan and many of China's too. So if anyone trades with our 'blacklisted' orgs, you'll have an issue with that too?

 

[Jungibaaz]

I initially supported the current government’s drive to reduce spending, increase taxes, devalue PKR. People criticised it but I said that they had no choice and that the current account deficit and budget deficit were twain unsustainable. And that a bailout was imminent and unavoidable.

But now the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction. I understand why we must go in this direction but the current measures seem far too extreme.

With growth forecast at 2.4% in FY2020, and inflation at 13% and unemployment slightly increasing. This is too much austerity. How do I quantify that it’s too much...?

First off, IK plans to raise tax revenues, fine that’s good. But you are going to fall miserably short of your tax revenue targets with GDP growth at such a woeful level. You might even see a bigger revenue shortfall than expected. There’s a convexity in tax revenue and growth relationship, they are not linearly correlated. You might think that raising taxes and reducing spending after the ER shock to PKR is a good idea, but it might backfire if economic activity slows and your tax revenues fall as a result.

Then when you do miss targets, what’s the IMF going to demand? Further deleveraging as they are wont to do? IMF will likely say, cut more spending, devalue more, and raise taxes more. This is a vicious cycle. I find myself echoing the former finance minister of Greece under Syriza; Yanks Varoufakis, taking more the air out of an economy because you’re missing fiscal targets is sometimes an example of bad policy making.

And IK shouldn’t delude himself about temporary increases in the forex reserves, that’s fickle. Our media is calling it ‘hot money’, economists and financiers call it ‘portfolio investment’. The fund manager sitting in Canary Wharf whose purchased some of our treasury notes because of the high interest rate, needs only a few hours to clear that off his books and sell everything. I know that IK has to say this in front of Davos, to attract investors, but he shouldn’t believe it himself.

At this rate we won’t see any economic recovery that materially benefits ordinary Pakistani citizens, until after PTI’s term is over. IMF is forecasting for slight upturns and recovery by 2024, some 4.8% GDP growth. It might not happen if policy backfires, and PTI might well have been battered at the next election by then.

And on CPEC, Chinese are already unhappy with US prying. Priority should be CPEC related infrastructure development, not IMF short term plans.

 

[Mav3rick]

During her current visit to Pakistan, news came that she presented a proposal on US behalf to get Pakistan out of FATF list if CPEC could be compromised to a certain extent.

Above seems to be a chatter in Islamabad.

Why do Americans think we are dumb?

@Taimoor Khan @Path-Finder @Angry Easterling @LeGenD @xyxmt @others

What you all think? Americans must be stupid from beneath if they really think Pakistan will do that.

Absolute BS! She said nothing of the sort in any meeting.