Comparison between LCA Tejas and JF-17 Thunder in an A-to-A Scenario

[Indian Patriot]

@Arsalan

Taking this thread as an excuse I would like to know your opinion and inputs on the future capabilities of PAF.

 

[knight11]

LCA is a home grown Engine is home grown? Radar ? Avionics? EW ?
85% LCA parts imported. You should read auditor general's report. We never mentioned JF-17 is our own product it is a joint venture like Brahmos.

Even Grippen have Foriegn engine, Radar - UK based Salex Galelio still its Swedish. So LCA is designed in India by India so its India, its only the subsystem which are procured off the self.

So whats Indian

Airframe build - indian
Air Intake - Indian
CFC structure - TAML (tata advance material ltd)
The open-architecture integrated defensive aids suite (IDAS) Mayavi
Operational Data link (ODL) - Indian (DARE)
Mission Computer - Indian (HAL)
EW Suite - Indian (IDAS)
RAM-1701AS radio altimeter
TACAN-2901AJ and DME-2950A tactical air navigation system combined with the ANS-1100A VOL/ILS marker
CIT-4000A Mk12 IFF transponder
COM-1150A UHF standby comms radio
HADF - Siva Pod
SDR-2010 SoftNET four-channel VHF/UHF and L-band radio
Bheem-EU brake control/engine/electrical monitoring system
Sigma-95N ring laser gyro-based inertial navigation system coupled to a GPS receiver - SAGEM
RWR - Indian Tarang MK 2/3
Glass Cockpit - Indian
Training Software - Indian
On board oxygen generator - Indian (TATA)
Pilot G-Suit - Indian
FBW - Indian
Landing Gear - Indian
Tyre - Indian (MRF)

What could be replaced in future by Indian

MMR- Uttam Aesa
BVR - Astra 1/2
LGB - Sudarshan
ALCM - Mini Brahmos

 

[Arsalan]

@Arsalan

Taking this thread as an excuse I would like to know your opinion and inputs on the future capabilities of PAF.

Well by the looks of it i don't see this thread running for too long so i best keep my comments/opinion reserved for a more relevant thread.
For a brief overview, i do understand that we have huge financial limitation and it will always be difficult to simply by-pass that however what others need to know is that there have been always that sort of difference, sometimes more sometimes less be always managed to make do. So it will be the same in near future. Also the economy is improving and putting our priorities right i do see some substantial improvements in the fleet.
Also one thing new in last decade or so is the availability of new suppliers who can delivery better or equal technology and relatively lower rates and most importantly, will keep a reliable supply chain open. China is that supplier for us, with a lot of extremely potent machines coming in from Chin PAF will surely transform itself into a much improved force in near future. These planes will be less expensive, equally effective and totally reliable compared to the older traditional western sources. Also the recent geopolitical shift see Pakistan and Russia getting closer. I am not saying that it will be at the expensive of India but still things are rapidly improving between Russia and Pakistan and that open a whole new window of opportunity for the air forces as well as the country in general.

Indian aim is that for complete air superiority over Pakistani skies and with all due respect to IAF and its extremely potent planes and pilots, i do not see that happening in the future as well. Pakistan will maintain its ability to deny IAF that air superiority and that is the main goal.

@Slav Defence @WAJsal @Irfan Baloch @Manticore I guess it will be best if you can take a look and close this thread. This is one of many other "vs" threads and thy usually don't result in much positive debates.

regards!

 

[Maarkhoor]

@knight11
Airframe build - indian = Need serious changes in wing design
Air Intake - Indian = Absolute old Tech
CFC structure - TAML (tata advance material ltd) = No one can verify that what actually it is
The open-architecture integrated defensive aids suite (IDAS) Mayavi = Not Ready never heard before
Operational Data link (ODL) - Indian (DARE) = Not operational not single one installed on LCA
Mission Computer - Indian (HAL) = under development
EW Suite - Indian (IDAS) = Failure negotiating with France and Israel to get
RAM-1701AS radio altimeter = Foreign origin
TACAN-2901AJ and DME-2950A tactical air navigation system combined with the ANS-1100A VOL/ILS marker
CIT-4000A Mk12 IFF transponder = Foreign origin
COM-1150A UHF standby comms radio = No info available
HADF - Siva Pod = Not Ready never heard before
SDR-2010 SoftNET four-channel VHF/UHF and L-band radio = Foreign origin
Bheem-EU brake control/engine/electrical monitoring system = Faulty need serious re design
Sigma-95N ring laser gyro-based inertial navigation system coupled to a GPS receiver - SAGEM = Foreign origin
RWR - Indian Tarang MK 2/3 = No info available
Glass Cockpit - Indian = Not high tech
Training Software - Indian = Not high tech under development
On board oxygen generator - Indian (TATA) = oreign origin
Pilot G-Suit - Indian = Foreign origin
FBW - Indian = Foreign origin
Landing Gear - Indian = Indian origin Faulty
Tyre - Indian (MRF) = No info available

What could be replaced in future by Indian

MMR- Uttam Aesa = under development
BVR - Astra 1/2 = Not available not a single aircraft capable of BVR
LGB - Sudarshan = under development
ALCM - Mini Brahmos = No info available

 

[GURU DUTT]

Even Grippen have Foriegn engine, Radar - UK based Salex Galelio still its Swedish. So LCA is designed in India by India so its India, its only the subsystem which are procured off the self.

So whats Indian

Airframe build - indian
Air Intake - Indian
CFC structure - TAML (tata advance material ltd)
The open-architecture integrated defensive aids suite (IDAS) Mayavi
Operational Data link (ODL) - Indian (DARE)
Mission Computer - Indian (HAL)
EW Suite - Indian (IDAS)
RAM-1701AS radio altimeter
TACAN-2901AJ and DME-2950A tactical air navigation system combined with the ANS-1100A VOL/ILS marker
CIT-4000A Mk12 IFF transponder
COM-1150A UHF standby comms radio
HADF - Siva Pod
SDR-2010 SoftNET four-channel VHF/UHF and L-band radio
Bheem-EU brake control/engine/electrical monitoring system
Sigma-95N ring laser gyro-based inertial navigation system coupled to a GPS receiver - SAGEM
RWR - Indian Tarang MK 2/3
Glass Cockpit - Indian
Training Software - Indian
On board oxygen generator - Indian (TATA)
Pilot G-Suit - Indian
FBW - Indian
Landing Gear - Indian
Tyre - Indian (MRF)

What could be replaced in future by Indian

MMR- Uttam Aesa
BVR - Astra 1/2
LGB - Sudarshan
ALCM - Mini Brahmos

your wasting your time this indian patriot is a false flagger and it is a know fact but still when indian members answer him back it is there mistake as mods and admin of PDF have dellibratelli kept him alive on this forum to troll indians and get a sarcastick kick owt of it ... my request to all indian members just dont reply back to this false flagger who is so much anty india that he doesnt even feels a ounce of shame in making/calling himself a patriot of a nation whome he dislikes so much that it is OK for him to make himself one of indians just to troll indians ... hope you get my point

now to be on the topic : wer dont need to take any certificate of exelence for tejas from pakistanies or false flagging pakistanies who call themselfs indian patriots or fratriots or whatever fancy name they have for it

LCA is pain in there ***** as they despite doing job of paid XXXXXXXXXXX or running to USA and china or saudies or wherever they can get "friendly help" have nothing to stand in front of IAF hence they find solace for there egos by making fun of indian effort

 

[Windjammer]

@Ifrit , why you wasting your time with weekend warriors, JF-17 is a joint Pak/China project and now it's operational with four front line squadrons with others rolling off the production line....on the contrary, the link below describes how almost every major aircraft manufacturer/company has contributed into the LCA project and still it's no where near becoming operational.

rediff.com: Admiral J G Nadkarni (retd) on the sad tale of the Light Combat Aircraft

 

[knight11]

@knight11

Airframe build - indian = Need serious changes in wing design So you have the aerodynamic data for this conclusion
Air Intake - Indian = Absolute old Tech Simple, light wt, unique with the air pocket above wing, thus no need for cannard.
CFC structure - TAML (tata advance material ltd) = No one can verify that what actually it is Developed by NAL, which have lot of experience in composite
The open-architecture integrated defensive aids suite (IDAS) Mayavi = Not Ready never heard before EW Suite developed By DARE, if not heard before note it.
Operational Data link (ODL) - Indian (DARE) = Not operational not single one installed on LCA Not only in Tejas but each and every plane of IAF, including AWAC, same as Link 16 but with indian algorithm for security.
Mission Computer - Indian (HAL) = under development LOLZ SU 30MKI is using it, even available with Russian Su 30 SM, and upgraded version for FGFA
EW Suite - Indian (IDAS) = Failure negotiating with France and Israel to get LOLZ Why should from france and israel when world class design is available, help from EADS/Cassidian not from israel or french
RAM-1701AS radio altimeter = Foreign originDeveloped by BEL
TACAN-2901AJ and DME-2950A tactical air navigation system combined with the ANS-1100A VOL/ILS marker BEL
CIT-4000A Mk12 IFF transponder = Foreign origin Bel/DARE
COM-1150A UHF standby comms radio = No info available BEL/DARE
HADF - Siva Pod = Not Ready never heard before Its for getting the accurate cordinate for the Radar, so that anti radiation missile KH 31 could be fired for SEAD
SDR-2010 SoftNET four-channel VHF/UHF and L-band radio = Foreign origin BEL/DARE
Bheem-EU brake control/engine/electrical monitoring system = Faulty need serious re design Indian
Sigma-95N ring laser gyro-based inertial navigation system coupled to a GPS receiver - SAGEM = Foreign origin Indian
RWR - Indian Tarang MK 2/3 = No info available Present in MKI also
Glass Cockpit - Indian = Not high tech Sensor Fusion
Training Software - Indian = Not high tech under development Bieng Developed in collaboration with indian pvt company
On board oxygen generator - Indian (TATA) = oreign origin TATA origin India
Pilot G-Suit - Indian = Foreign origin Indian
FBW - Indian = Foreign origin Indian developed by ADA
Landing Gear - Indian = Indian origin Faulty Indian Design and developed by ADA
Tyre - Indian (MRF) = No info available MRF is an Indian tyre company

What could be replaced in future by Indian

MMR- Uttam Aesa = under development Availablity till 2025
BVR - Astra 1/2 = Not available not a single aircraft capable of BVR Should be available in future till then Derby and Python 5, R73 is available
LGB - Sudarshan = under development Sudarshan 1000 developed, Sudarshan 250 to be developed
ALCM - Mini Brahmos = No info available Air launch Brahmos NG

@Windjammer Jammer Bhai this is corrected list

 

[Maarkhoor]

@Ifrit , why you wasting your time with weekend warriors, JF-17 is a joint Pak/China project and now it's operational with four front line squadrons with others rolling off the production line....on the contrary, the link below describes how almost every major aircraft manufacturer/company has contributed into the LCA project and still it's no where near becoming operational.

rediff.com: Admiral J G Nadkarni (retd) on the sad tale of the Light Combat Aircraft

Yes sir you are absolutely correct there is no comparison between the since JF-17 is operation and LCA still under development. Got your advise it is useless to engage keyboard warriors.

 

[Indian Patriot]

rediff.com: Admiral J G Nadkarni (retd) on the sad tale of the Light Combat Aircraft

A good read but wasted on blind bhakts.

 

[knight11]

your wasting your time this indian patriot is a false flagger and it is a know fact but still when indian members answer him back it is there mistake as mods and admin of PDF have dellibratelli kept him alive on this forum to troll indians and get a sarcastick kick owt of it ... my request to all indian members just dont reply back to this false flagger who is so much anty india that he doesnt even feels a ounce of shame in making/calling himself a patriot of a nation whome he dislikes so much that it is OK for him to make himself one of indians just to troll indians ... hope you get my point

now to be on the topic : wer dont need to take any certificate of exelence for tejas from pakistanies or false flagging pakistanies who call themselfs indian patriots or fratriots or whatever fancy name they have for it

LCA is pain in there ***** as they despite doing job of paid XXXXXXXXXXX or running to USA and china or saudies or wherever they can get "friendly help" have nothing to stand in front of IAF hence they find solace for there egos by making fun of indian effort

How r you Guru Bhai, haven't seen you for several days. Today I have posted something in PAKFA/FGFA thread, hope you would like it. I forgot to tag you there. Ya I know but I know they are just trolling, but I am amazed I was been banned from the pakistani section, if some of the members don't like my comment, and even i reported him, he is still not banned.

 

[GURU DUTT]

How r you Guru Bhai, haven't seen you for several days. Today I have posted something in PAKFA/FGFA thread, hope you would like it. I forgot to tag you there. Ya I know but I know they are just trolling, but I am amazed I was been banned from the pakistani section, if some of the members don't like my comment, and even i reported him, he is still not banned.

its ok i am a bit bizzi come now and then no issues

but keep on with good job as they have diffrent rules for pakistani trollers and indians who answer them back

 

[Indian Patriot]

even i reported him, he is still not banned.

Anybody who talks sense is a false flagger for these uneducated trolls.

 

[knight11]

its ok i am a bit bizzi come now and then no issues

but keep on with good job as they have diffrent rules for pakistani trollers and indians who answer them back

Thats why I posted just 1 part of LCA and not posted FC-1 part, otherwise I might got banned from here also.

 

[MandarK]

my son first read this Why the Indian Air Force has a high crash rate | Russia & India Report


Who told you this my boy?

Uncle do explain why a potent figher like JF crashed??

 

[singh sahab]

EVEN YOU OWN SENIOR PILOTS NOT SETTISFIED FROM TEJAS AFTER A TEST FLIGHT.

Your own? He's a Pakistani false flagger. Tumhari qom ka. Don't you see how hard he is trying to conceal his identity and showing stupidity and irritation