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Comparison between LCA Tejas and JF-17 Thunder in an A-to-A Scenario

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Question is does it had all the features when it was Inducted in PAF.
When would thunder going to get its FOC.



Janab it needs unbiased eyes to see LCA flying. It was flying with MKI in the form of the mission computer, Mayavi EW suite, OBOG, fuel pump. It was flying with Mig 27 and Darlin Upgrade of Jaguar, and it will be flying with FGFA.

Lets talk about your beloved thunder than any link for its FOC or IOC status.
People here in PDF talking so much before Blk 2 --- AESA, FBW, composite, TVC -- and in the end the block 2 ended with aeriel refuel, and software upgrade of Radar.
Now with block 3 again AESA, FBW, Composite, stealth, Chinese engine etc etc
First the time when it will come 2018, source is chinese article, why when nothing is in your hand rather in the chinese hand you sitting with face toward east and discussing HAMARI BAARI KAAB AYEGI--- You don't need to do any R&D because chinese will do for you, so you don't know what are the problems and what are the limitation.

AESA -- chinese J-10 -- does chinese Aesa for J-10 could be easily miniturized for the thunder
FBW -- chinese ki marzi dalle ke nahi dalle
Composite -- Same Chinese ki marzi ya paise do aur to composite dalta hu
Chinese Engine -- Is it ready
After all of your technical equations to prove your dam LCA is better then raptor ?lolzzz
You need to get a reality check , which is thunder with all the capabilities is a war horse ready for battle in numbers ?
Aka LCA grounded ?lolzz
It sums up the reality which is biting you ?lolzz
 
Biggest comparison

JF17 thunder inducted and flying = Teja grounded and waiting orders + Operational clearence
JF17 total strength 60 + = Teja I dont know couple for trainning/evaluation
JF17 Block 2 in production + weapon integration = Teja ?????

I think it will not be fair to compare ,good comparison + realistic one will be JF17 VS MIG 29 UP, Mirage Upgrade + Jags
 
How about the lack of stealth, lack of AESA, lack of payload, lack of range and many such things just to name a few? The PROFESSIONALS in IAF are not a bunch of retards to reject the aircraft.

First for the highlighted part. Who is the biggest Moron in the world that believe that IAF rejected the LCA. IAF wants FOC before induction

Lack of stealth - 2/3rd of Mirrage 2000 for a 4th gen fighter (not 5th gen) is good

Lack of Aesa - Does Aesa makes the plane Super Duper. First of all I believe there is no need for Aesa in Tejas right now at all. But I think for MK 1A Elta Aesa is going to be fitted.
Why Aesa have the advantage to do more than one job e.g targeting a2a target, while scanning in air and Land target.
Its a good feature, but it adds the workload of the MMR to process such data, which the small aircraft like Tejas which is meant for point defence don't need that nor the power required to fulfill such load could not be provided by the small engine power of such small aircraft but Big Air Superiority fighter aircraft like Su 30 MKI.

lack of payload, - Does 4000 Kg load is not more than enough. IAF have heavy lifter more potent platform.

Lack of range - 500 Km for combat range and 1700 km for range is good for a light wt aircraft.

Either you are retard or a false flager on troll mission.

Biggest comparison

JF17 thunder inducted and flying = Teja grounded and waiting orders + Operational clearence
JF17 total strength 60 + = Teja I dont know couple for trainning/evaluation
JF17 Block 2 in production + weapon integration = Teja ?????

I think it will not be fair to compare ,good comparison + realistic one will be JF17 VS MIG 29 UP, Mirage Upgrade + Jags

Biggest comparison is JF-17 and F-35, why MIG 29UPG, Mirrage UPG, Jaguar Darlin-3

Both are inducted and flying
Both total strength 70 + / 100 +
Both don't have FOC
Both meant for Export in large Qty
Both have two tails
Both are Single engine
Both can fly
Both have wings
Both have air refuel probe
Both have Radars and BVR
Both can fire missile and drop bomb
Both are needed to counter IAF
 
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First for the highlighted part. Which is the biggest Moron in the world that believe that IAF rejected the LCA. IAF wants FOC before induction

Yes IAF was waiting for 30 years for nothing. Trolls believe anything they want.

Lack of stealth - 2/3rd of Mirrage 2000 for a 4th gen fighter (not 5th gen) is good

What the hell is 2/3rd of Mirage?

Lack of Aesa - Does Aesa makes the plane Super Duper

Thanks for showing PDF just how dumb you are. I am only wasting my time talking to you.
 
What the hell is 2/3rd of Mirage?
RCS
Thanks for showing PDF just how dumb you are. I am only wasting my time talking to you.
Kid do you know the meaning of AESA or PESA

Do you understand what OLS stands for ?

BTW you didn't answer my earlier question

What do you think about JF-17 capabilities other than its flying and inducted
 
India and Pakistan have a tendency to compare each other in every aspect especially when it comes to defence and military capabilities of each other. In this line a very hot contested topic is the indigenous fighter jets of both countries. The pride of both countries Tejas and JF-17 Thunder.
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India and Pakistan have a tendency to compare each other in every aspect specially when it come to defence and military capabilities of both countries. In this line a very hot contested topic is indigenous fighter of both countries. The pride of both countries Tejas and J/F-17 Thunder.

India has designed and developed the LCA Tejas from tip-to-toe but that is not the case with the JF-17 Thunder. The JF-17 which Pakistan claims to be a product of their own innovation is basically designed and developed by Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) of China and is jointly manufactured by Pakistan and China. Hence the term JF which stands for "Joint Fighter" was given to the fighter jet.

Before starting my comparison I would like to clear a few things. Most of the data for comparison has been taken from official websites of both fighter jets and the remaining from reliable online sources. I would also like to state that I have taken only those points into consideration that actually matter in an AtoA (air-to-air) combat with other things keeping aside for this comparison.


Comparison is between the LCA Tejas MK-I and the JF-17 Block I ::

1- Location of Combat >>

The first thing that will matter a lot will be the most probable location of fight. Based on the range of Tejas, its role will be that of a primary air defence aircraft and being 2nd in line fighter jet with primary offensive roles designated to the state-of-the-art Su-30 MKI, Mig-29s and Mirages, it is very unlikely that the Tejas will ever cross the international border. On the other hand, the JF-17 along with the F-16s will form the backbone of the Pakistani Air Force and will be assigned with an offensive task. So the most obvious location of an AtoA face-off between the two jets will be in Indian Airspace.

Though this is not a deciding factor but familiarity with terrain, operating under air defence environment with ground radars, AWACS, SAM and AA guns matters a lot. This will definitely be a disadvantage for the JF-17 Thunder. Same will be the case if the LCA Tejas operates in Pakistani Airspace which is very unlikely. India has other fighter jets like the 'SEPECAT Jaguar' which are described as "deep penetrating strike aircraft".


2- BVR Combat >>

Both Tejas and JF-17 uses PESA multi-mode radars. The JF-17 uses KLJ-7 radar which has a detection range of 130km for 5m2 size aircraft and 75 km for 3m2 size aircraft (Chinese claim). The JF-17s official website claims it has a 105 km for 5m2. (I am giving advantage to J/F-17 on this and taking it based on Chinese claims).

The LCA Tejas uses EL/M-2032 radar which has detection and tracking range of 150 km. Generally detection and tracking range is always given for 5m2 size aircraft, however it is not clear if it is for 5m2 size aircraft or not so let's put both radars on par i.e. 130 km for 5m2 size aircraft. Both have ECM suite which are on par and carry EW pods externally. Both jets RCS is classified but I am taking it on the basis of claims made by websites of respective countries. RCS of JF-17 is 3m2, this will allow Tejas to detect a JF-17 from 75 km away. Tejas being designed keeping stealth in mind, its RCS is claimed to be 1/3 of mirage 2000 by some sites which makes it around 1.6m2 while others claim it to be 1.5m2 . Ignoring both claims I take it to 2m2. So the JF-17 will only be able to detect the Tejas at around 50 km away while Tejas will see an approaching JF-17 75 km away.

LCA's primary BVR missiles will be R-77 and Derby while the JF-17 will use SD-10 which is variant of Chinese PL-12. Performance wise both missiles are at par. R-77 has range of 80 km while SD-10 has a range of 70 km. Range of the missile don't matter as the radar of both jets will only be able to detect each other within their BVR range, but with Tejas being able to detect the enemy first, it will also have the advantage to fire first i.e. from 75 km away while the JF-17 will have no clue of the Tejas for another 25km. The only warning the JF-17 will feed its pilot will be that of an approaching missile.


3- WVR Combat >>

G tolerance of both jets is same i.e. +8.5g/-3g. Both have equal speed of Mac 1.6. The TWR (thrust to weight ratio) of Tejas is 1.07 and the JF-17 is 0.95. Angle of Attack of Tejas is 24 degrees while JF-17 has 26 degree ('Doubtful and overrated' as only 1 source claim about it and no other info available, but let's accept the claim since even the Gripen and the F-16 has an AoA of 28 degrees so definitely the JF-17 cant have equal but can have lower than 26 degrees). Less AoA of Tejas is Nullified by its better TWR. JF-17 will definitely have an advantage here during the first few turns but if Tejas will be able to survive during this period then the JF-17 will face a disadvantage due to quicker loss of speed. Given the fact that the JF-17 has Smokey RD-93 engines, there is possibility for Tejas to survive as it will have JF-17 in sight because of smoke tail left by its engine.

Now one more factor that will add to the disadvantage for the JF-17 is the Helmet Mounted System of Tejas. HMS will provide High off BoreSight shooting ability to Tejas as compared to the JF-17 which does not have a Helmet Mounted System. This further diminishes the initial turn rate advantage of the JF-17.


4- Service Ceiling >>

The service ceiling of the LCA is 15250m while that of the JF-17 16500m. All that the JF-17 has to do is climb above the service ceiling of Tejas and it will be able to avoid a dog-fight and run away into its airspace. But the difference of barely 1250m will not keep the JF-17 safe from the missiles loaded on the LCA Tejas.


5- Digital Fly BY Wire >>

Tejas uses Quadruplex Digital FBW while the JF-17 has FBW in only pitch axis. This gives the Tejas an advantage of easy controls during high angle of attacks as compared to the JF-17 where the pilot has to put an extra effort to control the aircraft. This will indirectly affect pilot performance while performing high G maneuvers required in close combat.


6- Combat radius >>

Tejas has a combat radius of mere 500 km while the JF-17 has radius of 1350 km. Combat radius matters if a fighter jet is designed for deep strike missions and gives an ability to stay in the air for long hours before being refueled, thus saving precious time.
So no doubt this round to the JF-17.


Conclusion ::

So when it comes to BVR combat, Tejas has a clear edge over its opponent with less RCS and longer range Radar. The JF-17 is on par with Tejas in close combat scenario. The JF-17 has advantage if it decides to play hide and seek with Tejas flying above the service ceiling waiting for it to loose its precious fuel and then engage.

In the end I would say that an AtoA combat depends more on Pilot skills and how a pilot understands and uses the advantages of his aircraft and how he guards its weaknesses.
So just like how the small GNATS became Sabre slayers, who knows in future wars, and with constant upgrades to the Tejas, the LCA might very likely become a Thunder slayer.

Defence News - Comparison between LCA Tejas and JF-17 Thunder in an A-to-A Scenario
There is no comparison between the two, one is flying high bombing the terrorists and the other one paraded on trucks.
 
@Ifrit

Lca is home grown JF-17 is importe
LCA is a home grown Engine is home grown? Radar ? Avionics? EW ?
85% LCA parts imported. You should read auditor general's report. We never mentioned JF-17 is our own product it is a joint venture like Brahmos.
 
LCA is a home grown Engine is home grown? Radar ? Avionics? EW ?
85% LCA parts imported. You should read auditor general's report. We never mentioned JF-17 is our own product it is a joint venture like Brahmos.

Designed in India....
Each and every body panel is designed and Manufactured in India..
Flight Control System is Designed and made in India


More than 70% of Tejas components are Made in India...‘Indigenous production of LCA soon’ - TAMIL NADU - The Hindu

Now you tell me ..what component of JF 17 is made in Pakistan.
 
Tejas grounded after snag in landing gear

Designed in India....
Each and every body panel is designed and Manufactured in India..
Flight Control System is Designed and made in India


More than 70% of Tejas components are Made in India...‘Indigenous production of LCA soon’ - TAMIL NADU - The Hindu

Now you tell me ..what component of JF 17 is made in Pakistan.
Tejas grounded after snag in landing gear
Now you tell me after years of the dam research wasted money on that horse , when it will be inducted in IAF ?when ?
 
Designed in India....
Each and every body panel is designed and Manufactured in India..
Flight Control System is Designed and made in India


More than 70% of Tejas components are Made in India...‘Indigenous production of LCA soon’ - TAMIL NADU - The Hindu

Now you tell me ..what component of JF 17 is made in Pakistan.
THIS WAY OR THAT WAY
MAKE in INDIA BY RUSSIAN ENGINNERS
AND ITS STILL WORKLESS SO WHAT AND
STOP COMPARING TAJAS WITH JF-17.
JF-17 Thunder is now 4++ GENERATION JET.

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