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I just saw this bad news from Spain. Having a train network is only one part of the story. It requires regular maintenance and upgrades.

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Four dead in Spain as train derails
Posted Sat 10-Sep-2016 at 5:52am


A train carrying tourists to Portugal from north-western Spain has veered off the tracks and smashed into a pillar, killing its Portuguese driver as well as a US passenger and two Spaniards.

Key points:
  • Routine maintenance work was being conducted in the area, Spain's railway company said
  • Locals said trains on this stretch of the tracks often passed at high speed
  • Forty-seven people were hurt — none suffered serious injury
The train, which was going to Porto in Portugal from Spain's Vigo, appeared to have hit the wall of a bridge as it was going underneath, prompting it to crash just before entering a station, according to the mayor of the nearby town of O Porrino.

Authorities in the Galicia region, where the accident took place, said the train conductor was one of the two Spaniards who died in the Friday morning accident, which also saw 47 people hurt.

Among the injured were other Spaniards, Americans and Portuguese as well as people from Argentina, Germany, Britain, Brazil, Uruguay and Chile — none of whom suffered serious injury.

'This isn't normal'

Locals gathered on Friday evening at the scene of the accident — where a carriage of the train still lay on its side, the front completely caved in and mangled — questioning why the crash happened on a good-visibility, straight line.

Adif, the company in charge of railway tracks in Spain, said that routine maintenance work was being conducted in the area.

This was confirmed by Rafael Catala, acting Public Works Minister, who said it meant "that trains are provisionally diverted to another track, forcing them to reduce their speed according to regulations".

But many locals on site told AFP that trains on this stretch of the tracks passed by at high speed.

Maria del Carmen Perez, who lives in front of the scene of the accident, said the trains that make the Vigo to Porto connection "go by so fast that the windows of my house almost tremble".

Like several others, Ramon Gonzalez, a man interviewed by Spanish television who works in the station cafeteria near the accident, pointed out that the tracks were in a straight line.

"The train was due to stop in 50 metres, so this isn't normal," he said.

Witnesses of the accident, meanwhile, spoke of a loud noise.

Political campaigning suspended, PM visits site

Alex Ramilo, a 15-year-old local resident who was biking over the bridge when the crash happened, told AFP he heard a "deafening noise".

"I looked and saw the train derailing," he said.

"I was speechless, in shock, I didn't really realise what had happened."

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Emergency workers attend to the train, which derailed in O Porrino, northwestern Spain. (AFP/MIGUEL RIOPA)

Mr Ramilo went straight to the station, where he tried to help.

"There were loads of people … residents who wanted to help," he said.

"And as there were not enough emergency personnel, some people even helped them extract people from carriages."

As regional elections near in Galicia this month, several political parties including the ruling conservative Popular Party and the Socialists announced they had suspended their campaign, which had only just begun.

Meanwhile Acting Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy, who is from Galicia, also travelled to the site of the accident.

AFP
RIP
Too many deadly train accidents in Europe these years...
I know they have enough sh*ts in real life...
But they should really refocus on infra like what we are doing in Asia...
If they don't budget more for infra maintenance, more and more rail accidents will happen...
Especially for Southern Europe including Spain, France and Italy, it's quite uncommon to have so many accidents in such a short time in such a small region...



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RIP to the deceased :(

Just going through the thread, there are too many head on collisions and while some have happened on Single line sections, it is really a worrying sign for railway technology.
A lot of new technologies have come up like Interlocked signaling and train movement interlock on block sections, improved driver training and warning systems, still these accidents do happen meaning something is amiss.
I'm no expert on this issue, but does anyone else too feels, European nations need to upgrade their train safety network especially on conventional non HST tracks. A decade long economic depression might have taken toll on revenue of railway companies, but passenger safety is paramount and if need be, government needs to intervene on this aspect.

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RIP to the deceased :(

Just going through the thread, there are too many head on collisions and while some have happened on Single line sections, it is really a worrying sign for railway technology.
A lot of new technologies have come up like Interlocked signaling and train movement interlock on block sections, improved driver training and warning systems, still these accidents do happen meaning something is amiss.
I'm no expert on this issue, but does anyone else too feels, European nations need to upgrade their train safety network especially on conventional non HST tracks. A decade long economic depression might have taken toll on revenue of railway companies, but passenger safety is paramount and if need be, government needs to intervene on this aspect.

@ahojunk @AndrewJin
They have too many sh*ts to take care of....Inaction is a popular policy. :rolleyes:
 
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RIP
Too many deadly train accidents in Europe these years...
I know they have enough sh*ts in real life...
But they should really refocus on infra like what we are doing in Asia...
If they don't budget more for infra maintenance, more and more rail accidents will happen...
Especially for Southern Europe including Spain, France and Italy, it's quite uncommon to have so many accidents in such a short time in such a small region...

France is considered to have one of the best railway network in Europe,and is among the safest.
As written by OP ;

This varies a lot by country: the safest European countries, such as France and the Netherlands, are on a par with China and Japan, but the EU average is pulled down by Germany (due to Eschede) and the periphery.

Regional governments are conducting extensive works and investments to upgrade the outdated rails and trains.
It was left decaying by the socialist regional governments during decades.... (I am not talking about the TGVs...)

RIP to the deceased :(

Just going through the thread, there are too many head on collisions and while some have happened on Single line sections, it is really a worrying sign for railway technology.
A lot of new technologies have come up like Interlocked signaling and train movement interlock on block sections, improved driver training and warning systems, still these accidents do happen meaning something is amiss.
I'm no expert on this issue, but does anyone else too feels, European nations need to upgrade their train safety network especially on conventional non HST tracks. A decade long economic depression might have taken toll on revenue of railway companies, but passenger safety is paramount and if need be, government needs to intervene on this aspect.

@ahojunk @AndrewJin

You have to take into account the recent crisis,debts,deficits and budget cuts and other priorities which probably lead to lack of investments in infrastructures including rail networks.
 
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France is considered to have one of the best railway network in Europe,and is among the safest.
Absolutely true!
Infact i do recall in Reliability classes offered in Engineering courses, examples of Japanese Shinkansen and SNCF's TGV is often quoted as an exemplary example of continual improvement leading to a nearly flawless safety record over almost 50 years of service now.
 
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I just saw this bad news from Spain. Having a train network is only one part of the story. It requires regular maintenance and upgrades.
They have too many sh*ts to take care of....Inaction is a popular policy. :rolleyes:
Black box reveals crash train going FOUR times speed limit

The train that derailed and killed four people in Spain was travelling at 118 kilometres per hour, a court said on Tuesday based on information from its black boxes, on a track that allowed just 30 km / ph.

Routine maintenance work was being carried out in the area, forcing it to divert to a secondary track where the speed limit was just 30 kilometres an hour, O Porriño mayor Eva Garcia de la Torre said at the weekend.

But information from the train's black boxes revealed that "the train was going at 118 kilometres per hour (73 mph) when it derailed," said the high court of Galicia where the accident happened and which is investigating the crash.

"The driver received and notified he had received (by pressing a button) two L1 notices, which indicate the need to reduce speed," it added in a statement.

But the court said it had yet to determine why the train, which belonged to Spain's rail company Renfe but was on loan to its Portuguese counterpart Comboios de Portugal, was going too fast.

http://www.thelocal.es/20160914/black-boxes-show-spanish-crash-train-going-four-times-speed-limit
 
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Black box reveals crash train going FOUR times speed limit
I've seen in India, locomotive engineers are issued Speed restriction charts before they take over duties on a train and they have to religiously follow the same and increase or decrease speed
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I'm not sure how this system works in Europe, but looks like there is an automated acknowledge system inside cabins, which must alert drivers if they go faster than allowed value.
To me it looks like a case of Human error.
 
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Trains are huge monsters. Hope they can use technology to reduce accidents and fatalities.

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New Jersey Transit crash at Hoboken station leaves 108 injured, one resident dead; investigators want engineer to explain what happened
BY
EDGAR SANDOVAL, JASON SILVERSTEIN, LARRY MCSHANE
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Updated: Thursday, September 29, 2016, 9:39 PM

Investigators want a NJ Transit engineer to explain what went wrong in the moments before his runaway train killed a bystander on a platform and injured 108 people in a nightmarish Hoboken wreck.

Engineer Thomas Gallagher, rescued from his crumpled cab Thursday morning, spoke to authorities within hours of the rush-hour carnage caused when his four-car train hurtled off the tracks, said New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.

But there was no public explanation for why the train exceeded the 10 mph speed limit while approaching the busy Hoboken Terminal on Track 5 — and Gallagher, 48, was released from a Jersey hospital hours later.

“The train came in at a high rate of speed, and the question is ‘Why is that?’” said Christie. “We won’t know that for some time.”

Federal investigators arrived hours later in Hoboken as the probe continued, with no one providing an answer to the governor’s questions. A cop blocked reporters Thursday night from knocking on the door of Gallagher’s home in Morris Plains, N.J.

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Passengers rush to safety after the NJ Transit train crashed into the platform.
(PANCHO BERNASCONI/GETTY IMAGES)
Most of the injured were rush-hour commuters aboard the 7:23 a.m. train from Spring Valley, N.Y., as Train No. 1614 arrived for the last stop on its daily 75-minute trip along the Pascack Valley line.

The doomed woman was standing on a nearby train platform when she was struck and killed by a flying piece of debris. One witness said the train, with four 54-ton passenger cars, actually slammed into a bumper and went airborne.

“I couldn’t believe what I was seeing,” said NJ Transit employee Michael Larson.

Authorities said the train was traveling too fast as it arrived eight minutes late — and never decelerated until crashing through a concrete and steel bumper, sending passengers and debris flying.

“It sounded like a bomb went off,” said construction worker Charles Frazier of Roselle Park, N.J., describing the chaotic 8:45 a.m. scene. “The roof collapsed. The steel beams came down...People were trying to climb out the (train) windows.”

A portion of the historic 109-year-old station was reduced to rubble, with a collapsed roof falling amid mangled steel and smashed glass.

Bleeding commuters wandered in a daze as first responders flooded the station, and 75 people were hospitalized with broken bones, oozing cuts, bumps and bruises.

A pregnant woman was lifted to safety by fellow passengers through a window in the train’s front car.

“People were running, obviously screaming,” said witness Tony Spina. “I saw folks bleeding from their heads. I saw folks limping. Folks were on the ground who couldn’t move.”

A NJ Transit spokesman estimated there were about 250 people aboard the morning train.

The National Transportation Safety Board sent a team to Hoboken within hours. Their mission includes recovering data recorders from two locations on the train, each with an outward-facing camera.

It was unclear how long the terminal will remain closed, but metropolitan area commuters will face delays until the transit hub reopens.

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Officials survey the NJ Transit train that crashed into the platform at the Hoboken Terminal Thursday.
(PANCHO BERNASCONI/GETTY IMAGES)

NTSB Vice Chairman Bella Dinh-Zarr said a second part of their probe would focus on whether Positive Track Control technology might have prevented the fatal crash.

The speed limit while entering the station is 10 mph, she said. PTC technology automatically slows or stops trains exceeding the limit.

“PTC has been one of our priorities,” she said. “We know that it can prevent accidents. Whether it is involved in this accident, that is definitely one of the things we will look at carefully.”

Federal investigators also intend to speak with Gallagher about the final fateful part of the daily trip.

Gallagher, who has 29 years on the job, was operating the train from a control cab in its front passenger car, and eyewitness William Blaine said he saw the engineer slumped over the controls immediately after the crash.

Though Christie said the engineer already spoke with investigators, the NTSB intends to sit down with Gallagher as well in its quest for answers.

Gov. Cuomo and Christie said they understood the desire for an explanation, but declined to provide any until the facts were clear.

“Was there a medical condition?” asked Cuomo. “Why did the train come in so fast?...It could be personal to the conductor, an equipment failure.”


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A derailed New Jersey Transit train is seen under a collapsed roof after it derailed and crashed into the station in Hoboken.
(CARLO ALLEGRI/REUTERS)
But, the governor added, “There’s no real point to speculating what happened.”

Commuter Jamie Weatherhead saw the scene first-hand. She was among those trapped inside when the train finally screeched to a stop on the typically busy concourse outside the station’s waiting room.

There was never any indication of the engineer hitting the brakes before commuters were bouncing around like bowling pins, she said.

“The lights went out,” she recalled. “We felt more than a jolt. Everyone was thrown to the other side (of the car). The people in the front were very badly injured.

“I just toppled over,” she said. “I’m really shaken up.”

Station worker Rick Ciappa described a similar scene in the minutes after the wreck.

“People were bleeding,” Ciappa said. “People buried under the concrete. The whole roof fell down. I saw one woman that was really bad — bloodied.”

The dead woman was identified as Fabiola Bittar de Kroon, 34, of Hoboken. She was a married mother of an 18-month-old girl.

The single fatality seemed almost impossible given the number of people on the train and in the station, and the amount of damage to the station.

Nassimi Toumi, nine months pregnant, was saying goodbye to her husband as the train narrowly missed killing him.

“Just missed him,” said Toumi. “There was a lady with her leg cut open. Blood everywhere.”

An eerie silence soon fell over the crash scene, with passengers helping one another amid the rubble, panic, concrete dust and hanging electrical wires.

“It was quiet and subdued,” said Nancy Solomon, a managing editor at WNYC. “The train was right there. I mean, the train was right on the concourse.”

The flood of 66 patients at the Jersey City Medical Center forced officials to turn the cafeteria into a triage unit, with 13 people treated for trauma, said spokesman Mark Rabson.

NJ Transit immediately suspended service in and out of the station. PATH and light rail service was also suspended Thursday, but the PATH part of the terminal was not damaged. PATH service resumed Thursday afternoon.

The Hoboken Terminal serves an estimated 50,000 commuters each day with NJ Transit, PATH, light rail, buses and ferries.

The investigation into the wreck could be slowed by safety issues in the damaged station, where water was leaking and there was a threat of asbestos contamination. Electrical power to the building was also cut off.

The White House called Christie to offer help and condolences after the wreck, and both presidential candidates sent along their regards to the crash victims.

“My condolences to those involved in today’s horrible accident in NJ and my deepest gratitude to all of the amazing first responders,” tweeted GOPer Donald Trump.

Democrat Hillary Clinton sent her “thoughts and prayers” to the victims and their relatives.

A Mother’s Day 2011 PATH train crash in the Hoboken station injured more than 30 people. The train, in a similar scenario to the Thursday wreck, slammed into bumpers at the end of the tracks on a Sunday morning.

WITH LAURA BULT, DAN RIVOLI, DAN GOOD
 
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Trains are huge monsters. Hope they can use technology to reduce accidents and fatalities.

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New Jersey Transit crash at Hoboken station leaves 108 injured, one resident dead; investigators want engineer to explain what happened
BY
EDGAR SANDOVAL, JASON SILVERSTEIN, LARRY MCSHANE
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Updated: Thursday, September 29, 2016, 9:39 PM

Investigators want a NJ Transit engineer to explain what went wrong in the moments before his runaway train killed a bystander on a platform and injured 108 people in a nightmarish Hoboken wreck.

Engineer Thomas Gallagher, rescued from his crumpled cab Thursday morning, spoke to authorities within hours of the rush-hour carnage caused when his four-car train hurtled off the tracks, said New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.

But there was no public explanation for why the train exceeded the 10 mph speed limit while approaching the busy Hoboken Terminal on Track 5 — and Gallagher, 48, was released from a Jersey hospital hours later.

“The train came in at a high rate of speed, and the question is ‘Why is that?’” said Christie. “We won’t know that for some time.”

Federal investigators arrived hours later in Hoboken as the probe continued, with no one providing an answer to the governor’s questions. A cop blocked reporters Thursday night from knocking on the door of Gallagher’s home in Morris Plains, N.J.

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Passengers rush to safety after the NJ Transit train crashed into the platform.
(PANCHO BERNASCONI/GETTY IMAGES)
Most of the injured were rush-hour commuters aboard the 7:23 a.m. train from Spring Valley, N.Y., as Train No. 1614 arrived for the last stop on its daily 75-minute trip along the Pascack Valley line.

The doomed woman was standing on a nearby train platform when she was struck and killed by a flying piece of debris. One witness said the train, with four 54-ton passenger cars, actually slammed into a bumper and went airborne.

“I couldn’t believe what I was seeing,” said NJ Transit employee Michael Larson.

Authorities said the train was traveling too fast as it arrived eight minutes late — and never decelerated until crashing through a concrete and steel bumper, sending passengers and debris flying.

“It sounded like a bomb went off,” said construction worker Charles Frazier of Roselle Park, N.J., describing the chaotic 8:45 a.m. scene. “The roof collapsed. The steel beams came down...People were trying to climb out the (train) windows.”

A portion of the historic 109-year-old station was reduced to rubble, with a collapsed roof falling amid mangled steel and smashed glass.

Bleeding commuters wandered in a daze as first responders flooded the station, and 75 people were hospitalized with broken bones, oozing cuts, bumps and bruises.

A pregnant woman was lifted to safety by fellow passengers through a window in the train’s front car.

“People were running, obviously screaming,” said witness Tony Spina. “I saw folks bleeding from their heads. I saw folks limping. Folks were on the ground who couldn’t move.”

A NJ Transit spokesman estimated there were about 250 people aboard the morning train.

The National Transportation Safety Board sent a team to Hoboken within hours. Their mission includes recovering data recorders from two locations on the train, each with an outward-facing camera.

It was unclear how long the terminal will remain closed, but metropolitan area commuters will face delays until the transit hub reopens.

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Officials survey the NJ Transit train that crashed into the platform at the Hoboken Terminal Thursday.
(PANCHO BERNASCONI/GETTY IMAGES)

NTSB Vice Chairman Bella Dinh-Zarr said a second part of their probe would focus on whether Positive Track Control technology might have prevented the fatal crash.

The speed limit while entering the station is 10 mph, she said. PTC technology automatically slows or stops trains exceeding the limit.

“PTC has been one of our priorities,” she said. “We know that it can prevent accidents. Whether it is involved in this accident, that is definitely one of the things we will look at carefully.”

Federal investigators also intend to speak with Gallagher about the final fateful part of the daily trip.

Gallagher, who has 29 years on the job, was operating the train from a control cab in its front passenger car, and eyewitness William Blaine said he saw the engineer slumped over the controls immediately after the crash.

Though Christie said the engineer already spoke with investigators, the NTSB intends to sit down with Gallagher as well in its quest for answers.

Gov. Cuomo and Christie said they understood the desire for an explanation, but declined to provide any until the facts were clear.

“Was there a medical condition?” asked Cuomo. “Why did the train come in so fast?...It could be personal to the conductor, an equipment failure.”


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A derailed New Jersey Transit train is seen under a collapsed roof after it derailed and crashed into the station in Hoboken.
(CARLO ALLEGRI/REUTERS)
But, the governor added, “There’s no real point to speculating what happened.”

Commuter Jamie Weatherhead saw the scene first-hand. She was among those trapped inside when the train finally screeched to a stop on the typically busy concourse outside the station’s waiting room.

There was never any indication of the engineer hitting the brakes before commuters were bouncing around like bowling pins, she said.

“The lights went out,” she recalled. “We felt more than a jolt. Everyone was thrown to the other side (of the car). The people in the front were very badly injured.

“I just toppled over,” she said. “I’m really shaken up.”

Station worker Rick Ciappa described a similar scene in the minutes after the wreck.

“People were bleeding,” Ciappa said. “People buried under the concrete. The whole roof fell down. I saw one woman that was really bad — bloodied.”

The dead woman was identified as Fabiola Bittar de Kroon, 34, of Hoboken. She was a married mother of an 18-month-old girl.

The single fatality seemed almost impossible given the number of people on the train and in the station, and the amount of damage to the station.

Nassimi Toumi, nine months pregnant, was saying goodbye to her husband as the train narrowly missed killing him.

“Just missed him,” said Toumi. “There was a lady with her leg cut open. Blood everywhere.”

An eerie silence soon fell over the crash scene, with passengers helping one another amid the rubble, panic, concrete dust and hanging electrical wires.

“It was quiet and subdued,” said Nancy Solomon, a managing editor at WNYC. “The train was right there. I mean, the train was right on the concourse.”

The flood of 66 patients at the Jersey City Medical Center forced officials to turn the cafeteria into a triage unit, with 13 people treated for trauma, said spokesman Mark Rabson.

NJ Transit immediately suspended service in and out of the station. PATH and light rail service was also suspended Thursday, but the PATH part of the terminal was not damaged. PATH service resumed Thursday afternoon.

The Hoboken Terminal serves an estimated 50,000 commuters each day with NJ Transit, PATH, light rail, buses and ferries.

The investigation into the wreck could be slowed by safety issues in the damaged station, where water was leaking and there was a threat of asbestos contamination. Electrical power to the building was also cut off.

The White House called Christie to offer help and condolences after the wreck, and both presidential candidates sent along their regards to the crash victims.

“My condolences to those involved in today’s horrible accident in NJ and my deepest gratitude to all of the amazing first responders,” tweeted GOPer Donald Trump.

Democrat Hillary Clinton sent her “thoughts and prayers” to the victims and their relatives.

A Mother’s Day 2011 PATH train crash in the Hoboken station injured more than 30 people. The train, in a similar scenario to the Thursday wreck, slammed into bumpers at the end of the tracks on a Sunday morning.

WITH LAURA BULT, DAN RIVOLI, DAN GOOD
Trump said they had third-world railway in US.
I think he is not right....That's worse than third-world railway.
 
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i recall one such event at Churchgate (western railways Mumbai), where, the train driver failed to reduce speed and entered the terminus station at around 80 kph (against 30 kph limit) and by the time he realized, it was too late and train rammed into end dampers. Luckily there were no injuries or casualties (barring Train driver who sustained minor injuries), but it threw schedule of trains at busy station haywire and repairs took a weeks time.
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i recall one such event at Churchgate (western railways Mumbai), where, the train driver failed to reduce speed and entered the terminus station at around 80 kph (against 30 kph limit) and by the time he realized, it was too late and train rammed into end dampers. Luckily there were no injuries or casualties (barring Train driver who sustained minor injuries), but it threw schedule of trains at busy station haywire and repairs took a weeks time.
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Don't you think railway accidents in US are a little bit too frequent? Note that their trains usually have only a few cars as opposed to 8-20 cars in Asia.
 
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Don't you think railway accidents in US are a little bit too frequent?
Alarmingly yes.
Again we talked about reasons why this is happening? I think investment in renovation and passenger safety needs to increase. even the best system in world needs a periodic review and overhaul and perhaps best example of that is China. Since a huge investment is going on, focus automatically shifts to improving reliability and safety which reflects in safety record. China probably has one of the best records to show globally and i can only credit that to constant focus and budget allocations.
 
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Alarmingly yes.
Again we talked about reasons why this is happening? I think investment in renovation and passenger safety needs to increase. even the best system in world needs a periodic review and overhaul and perhaps best example of that is China. Since a huge investment is going on, focus automatically shifts to improving reliability and safety which reflects in safety record. China probably has one of the best records to show globally and i can only credit that to constant focus and budget allocations.
But clearly their focus is not on updating infrastructure unlike in Asia but how to monger the next war. Infrastructure does not make money like weapons.
 
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Infrastructure does not make money like weapons.
Its a case of what comes first Chicken or the Egg?
Had massive investment been made on rail infra in US, more people would've moved to using Rails rather than road, generating more revenue, introduction of new services and modernization. unfortunately that didn't happen and now system is slowly degrading, but i'm not sure if there are funds and more importantly projections that capital investment will increase ridership, hereby assuring good rate of return on investment.
 
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Trump said they had third-world railway in US.
I think he is not right....That's worse than third-world railway.

When such incidents happen US media quickly advises not to reach conclusion before investigation completes. However, if it is in China, the rule does not apply. They first form an opinion, then nobody cares about upcoming truth.

Perhaps we should apply a similar standard.
 
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