Communist China Threatens Not Just Hong Kong, But All Free Nations—20-Yr-Old Activist Joey Siu

[KungFuLee]

Who said China has more influence than US? You said China is not a big player in international affairs, China is just an ATM machine for other countries, but you fail to know money eventually talks, US has today's influence is also due to its wealth, if China is not a big player to start with, tell me what countries are, would you?

Wrong again, US have its influence because it is able to forge a bond with country, even those they went to war with. That is what we called Politics. US become powerful first, then rich.

Again, China have almost no say in international, do tell me one thing China have successfully altered in the course of international politics due to its influence in the past 40 years? Even small country like Switzerland have some say in international politics . If China is a big player in the international politic, then who isn't?

National wealth has every thing to do with places in international politics, start a poll here and find what people think.

Again, then do tell me why rich country like Japan and Germany don't have much power in international politics?

lol start a poll here? As if people who regular in this forum is any sort of expert.

 

[beijingwalker]

Again, China have almost no say in international, do tell me one thing China have successfully altered in the course of international politics due to its influence in the past 40 years? Even small country like Switzerland have some say in international politics .

Some basic education, China is a permanent member of UN security council , basically no UN resolutions can be passed without China's nod. Every year China alters the course of some international politics due to its influence and veto power in UNSC.

. If China is a big player in the international politic, then who isn't?

Singapore, Afghanistan, Mongolia... basically all countries beside 5 veto power wielding powers in UNSC.

Again, then do tell me why rich country like Japan and Germany don't have much power in international politics?

Japan and Germany do have a lot of power in international politics, they are not super powers of course, Germany plays an important role in EU because of its money.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Reading the posts of that Honky guy and listening to that Honky gal makes you think they are indeed stupid and ignorant.

 

[Paul2]

What I like about you rightists is that you rightists hate each other so much. Put 2 of you in one bottle, and one will eat another.

South Africa went into squabble with USA over a nuke, and it brought SA state down. Israeli elites hate USA, and even made a bomb just to make US to **** off and tell them that they are not their client state. Europe hates USA with passion, Germans twice over that. All and every loonie rightist regime USA installed in Latin America and Middle East hate one another intensely, and go to war with each other every time USA shuts down the cash register. Colombia and Iraq were an apexes of their moral bankruptcy: both basically live off blackmail "give us cash or we will wreck our own countries, and take you down along with us"

HK kids raise hell in their own city, then run to old reactionaries in Taiwan, and get middle finger shown to them. Then run to daddy Trump, daddy Trump then spits them in the face and his secret service escorts them out of the country.

Only now they found out that they are all alone in the world in their foolish endeavour.

 

[FedererExpress]

Trump has been very weak on China. He’s more interested in a ridiculous trade deal with the Communists rather than completely cutting off China from the US capital markets, US banking system, US dollar access, US consumer market, US technology access, US travel visas. Ban all CCP companies from doing business in the US.

The free world desperately need a China hawk as US President. CCP is an enemy of freedom.

 

[Paul2]

Trump has been very weak on China. He’s more interested in a ridiculous trade deal with the Communists rather than completely cutting off China from the US capital markets, US banking system, US dollar access, US consumer market, US technology access, US travel visas. Ban all CCP companies from doing business in the US.

The free world desperately need a China hawk as US President. CCP is an enemy of freedom.

Trump and Xi should like each other. Both like rightists.

Heed me, Trump will be a one shot president, and your own elites will bring us a trade deal on a golden platter.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

The only country that's been going around the world bombing other nations and causing civil wars as many as possible this century is the United States and its gang of chihuahuas, not China.

 

[beijingwalker]

Trump has been very weak on China. He’s more interested in a ridiculous trade deal with the Communists rather than completely cutting off China from the US capital markets, US banking system, US dollar access, US consumer market, US technology access, US travel visas. Ban all CCP companies from doing business in the US.

The free world desperately need a China hawk as US President. CCP is an enemy of freedom.

How about Australian government? you can't always depend on US, why don't you do what you ask US to do first?

 

[kankan326]

Trump has been very weak on China. He’s more interested in a ridiculous trade deal with the Communists rather than completely cutting off China from the US capital markets, US banking system, US dollar access, US consumer market, US technology access, US travel visas. Ban all CCP companies from doing business in the US.

The free world desperately need a China hawk as US President. CCP is an enemy of freedom.

Because Trump is not stupid as you are. China is world biggest market and exporter. Cutting business with China only benefits Europe and Japan. Cuting Us dollar from China bank system is equal to dollar suicide.

we did not ask to be a part of Britain when they rule us, and we did not ask China to be a part of China

All UK former colonies were not part of UK, not just HK. You were second class people and not qualified to be part of UK. China has full right to completely reclaim HK's sovereignty because in history HK was robbed by UK illegally

 

[KungFuLee]

All UK former colonies were not part of UK, not just HK. You were second class people and not qualified to be part of UK. China has full right to completely reclaim HK's sovereignty because in history HK was robbed by UK illegally

I don't think you know what is the status of UK current and former Colony.

UK in general will hold referendum on all UK colony and let them choose to become independent (Like Singapore, Malta, India or Australia) or become part of Britain (Like Falkland Island or Gibraltar, which is smaller and less productive than Hong Kong).

Actually, Hong Kong is the only colony that goes neither, UK had offered Hong Kong a chance of referendum post WW2 nearly the same time Singapore goes independence, nobody care about that back then, in fact, Hong Kong resident are treated the same as UK commonwealth citizens prior to 1983 and they share the same right as any commonwealth citizens, which basically allowed to live and work and enjoy citizenship right in the UK. Even today, if you are a British National Overseas citizenship holder, you have the right to vote in the UK, you also have the right to enter the UK and right to register as UK citizens if you also have indefinite leave to remain.

You are very obviously ignorant about the history of Hong Kong or UK colony .

 

[kankan326]

I don't think you know what is the status of UK current and former Colony.

UK in general will hold referendum on all UK colony and let them choose to become independent (Like Singapore, Malta, India or Australia) or become part of Britain (Like Falkland Island or Gibraltar, which is smaller and less productive than Hong Kong).

Actually, Hong Kong is the only colony that goes neither, UK had offered Hong Kong a chance of referendum post WW2 nearly the same time Singapore goes independence, nobody care about that back then, in fact, Hong Kong resident are treated the same as UK commonwealth citizens prior to 1983 and they share the same right as any commonwealth citizens, which basically allowed to live and work and enjoy citizenship right in the UK. Even today, if you are a British National Overseas citizenship holder, you have the right to vote in the UK, you also have the right to enter the UK and right to register as UK citizens if you also have indefinite leave to remain.

You are very obviously ignorant about the history of Hong Kong or UK colony .

I was not talking about how UK treated the colonies when colonialism came to the end. I was talking about how UK treated them before the world war 2.
HK was special because UK was not the only power that could decide HK's fate. After 1949, CCP could reclaim HK at any time. UK knew that. Mao said that making HK as a window is best choice for China. So basically to said HK's status was decided by China, not by UK even from 1949.

 

[KungFuLee]

I was not talking about how UK treated the colonies when colonialism came to the end. I was talking about how UK treated them before the world war 2.
HK was special because UK was not the only power that could decide HK's fate. After 1949, CCP could reclaim HK at any time. UK knew that. Mao said that making HK as a window is best choice for China. So basically to said HK's status was decided by China, not by UK even from 1949.

That's where you are wrong.

After WW2, there are no different at all between Hong Kong and UK citizens, Hong Kong resident are UK citizens, and can be freely move to UK if they want. In fact, the British government encourage Hong Kong Resident along with all other Colonial subject to move to the UK to rebuild UK after WW2, that is what so called "Windrush Generation" started, although that usually related to African and West Indie people live in UK during the migration rush, That status was held until the decolonization period of 1960 when majority of UK Colony either become part of UK or goes independence.

Between 1961- 1983. Hong Kong resident enjoy the same right as any Commonwealth Citizens (not UK citizens prior to 1961) vis-à-vis in relation to the UK when the UK gave Hong Kong resident CUKC from 1961-1983 (Citizens of United Kingdoms Commonwealth), which is right to freely live an work in UK or any commonwealth country, essentially, it is the same status as any UK Citizens, Canadian Citizens, Australian Citizens with regarding the right to UK.

After 1983, a special status of British Overseas Territories Citizens was conferred to Hong Kong and take the right out of line with regards to other British Commonwealth Entity, the British Government did that to pave the way for the Sino-UK joint Declaration which basically lay the road ahead of handing Hong Kong back to China. However, even today, Hong Kong resident with British National (Overseas) status (or BNO) enjoy some degree of privilege in the UK, like a BNO holder can hold government office in UK, serve in the British Armed Forces, right to vote, right to be elected as government official and visa free travel. Essentially, a BNO holder is a British Citizens without the right of adobe.

The UK could not care less about China AT ALL between 1949 to 1983, in fact, as I said before, after WW2 and before Singapore independence, UK actually try to either absorb Hong Kong as part of UK or let it go independence. A notion no one in Hong Kong basically take seriously.

Again, I don't think you know anything about Hong Kong history or British Colonial History.

 

[KungFuLee]

Some basic education, China is a permanent member of UN security council , basically no UN resolutions can be passed without China's nod. Every year China alters the course of some international politics due to its influence and veto power in UNSC.


Singapore, Afghanistan, Mongolia... basically all countries beside 5 veto power wielding powers in UNSC.


Japan and Germany do have a lot of power in international politics, they are not super powers of course, Germany plays an important role in EU because of its money.

Well, if you believe in UNSC have any actual power, or UN have any actual power in that sense, again, I can do nothing but laugh...….LOL

Anyone who know law and politics knows UNSC is nothing but a Farce, which is basically the same as League of Nation. Why? Because not just China have veto power, but all 5 seats have. And the all 5 seats represent 3 different political blog (East, West and China) and unless an issue is that trivial and small enough not to damage any one party, no resolution would pass if they are seen as an disadvantage to any one of the bloc. Thus making UNSC an arena for smaller international issue (If such things do exist). Bigger issue like Palestinian Problem, Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan and the US invasion of Iraq, both were some what illegal in any International Standpoint, yet UNSC did nothing to stop it, not that UNSC did not do anything, but UNSC cannot do anything, as it would have been vetoed by Soviet Union and US respectively if any sanction go thru the UNSC with regard to both war.

Today, NATO is more powerful than UN. If UNSC have a rotational veto power, where only one nation can veto at a given time, than that would be a whole lot different.

Also, I never say country like Japan and Germany did not have power in International Politics. I said they are not a BIG PLAYER in international politics, along with China. To be a big player, you need to have foreign interest for your country, what kind of foreign interest China have in the world? And if you don't have foreign interest in respect to what the US have and what the Russia have or to some extend UK and France, you won't be a big player in international politics. And no, foreign interest is not foreign investment, but rather National Security interest in foreign soil.

That come back to the same question, when and what is the last time did China (PRC) have a say to alter the cause of a foreign country via its foreign policy? You can't even ask Pakistan to drop US as an allies, and Pakistan is your blood brother, so what did China achieve in the world politic stage?

 

[beijingwalker]

Well, if you believe in UNSC have any actual power, or UN have any actual power in that sense, again, I can do nothing but laugh...….LOL

Anyone who know law and politics knows UNSC is nothing but a Farce, which is basically the same as League of Nation. Why? Because not just China have veto power, but all 5 seats have. And the all 5 seats represent 3 different political blog (East, West and China) and unless an issue is that trivial and small enough not to damage any one party, no resolution would pass if they are seen as an disadvantage to any one of the bloc. Thus making UNSC an arena for smaller international issue (If such things do exist). Bigger issue like Palestinian Problem, Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan and the US invasion of Iraq, both were some what illegal in any International Standpoint, yet UNSC did nothing to stop it, not that UNSC did not do anything, but UNSC cannot do anything, as it would have been vetoed by Soviet Union and US respectively if any sanction go thru the UNSC with regard to both war.

Today, NATO is more powerful than UN. If UNSC have a rotational veto power, where only one nation can veto at a given time, than that would be a whole lot different.

Also, I never say country like Japan and Germany did not have power in International Politics. I said they are not a BIG PLAYER in international politics, along with China. To be a big player, you need to have foreign interest for your country, what kind of foreign interest China have in the world? And if you don't have foreign interest in respect to what the US have and what the Russia have or to some extend UK and France, you won't be a big player in international politics. And no, foreign interest is not foreign investment, but rather National Security interest in foreign soil.

That come back to the same question, when and what is the last time did China (PRC) have a say to alter the cause of a foreign country via its foreign policy? You can't even ask Pakistan to drop US as an allies, and Pakistan is your blood brother, so what did China achieve in the world politic stage?

You don't have to write this much to prove your statement that China is nothing in the world stage, if you believe so, it's ok, China is nothing, we have no influence in this world, but we at least can do what we think is right to do in Hong kong, and no one has any power to stop us if we really do. You can dream to believe that US will send troops to Hong kong and fight for you, no one can stop dreamers dreaming.

 

[KungFuLee]

You don't have to write this much to prove your statement that China is nothing in the world stage, if you believe so, it's ok, China is nothing, we have no influence in this world, but we at least can do what we think is right to do in Hong kong, and no one has any power to stop us if we really do. You can dream to believe that US will send troops to Hong kong and fight for you, no one can stop dreamers dreaming.

Why would US send troop to Hong Kong? Hong Kong was a former UK colony, if we want anyone to send troop, would that be UK instead of US?

Also, I did not say you are not to do what you think it's right to do for China, the thing is, if you think what you say you should do would win you the situation. LOL. As I said before, it's lucky the leadership of Chinese government is not as stupid as you think they are. And if they really do what you said previously, that mean China would become the world laughing stock.