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Cold Start? Mutually Assured Destruction by Lt. Gen (R) Tariq Khan

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General Bipin Rawat, the Indian Chief of the Army, wants to restart the Cold Start doctrine. I never knew it was off the table. I thought they had developed the doctrine of Pro-active Strategy or maybe it was changing the label; old wine-new bottle. Whatever the case, he is looking for war. He wants to attack Pakistan.

Pakistan is blamed for being India Centric, but I have never heard a single political leader use India for political mileage here in Pakistan, whereas in India, if Pakistan is not factored into the argument – any argument – one loses a few brownie points. Never mind that Pakistan has stated clearly and unequivocally that it will not initiate war but then intentions are fickle things and can change at the drop of a hat; it’s the capability one needs be cautious off.

Off and on, India voices its intent and even goes the extra mile by offensive concentration and cross border firing. Fortunately, Pakistan recognizes intent as opposed to capability and is not impressed by the rhetoric.

So what governs Indo-Pak relations? Is it Indian belligerence that contains an aggressive Pakistan or is it Pakistani deterrence that keeps India at bay? We shall never really know but one thing is certain, it is strongly influenced by the spontaneity of a sudden event. This event has some defining signatures: first, it would have to be something that happened in India to create an impact. An event in Pakistan has no apparent effect on an Indo-Pak relationship; probably because the political and military will have been severely compromised due to an image deficit. Second, it could be manufactured to create a cause-belief justifying military action against Pakistan. Third, it could be non-state actor operating independently whose agenda is to destabilize the region. Fourth, it could be Pakistan sponsored so as to force India’s hand when they are not ready for it.

Is an Indo-Pak relationship merely a military conflict, lying in wait for a trigger to set it off? If this is the case, we must address the root of the animosity to facilitate conflict resolution? I would say we need to focus on the event-oriented environment. First and foremost, I would say that Pakistan’s credibility and image would always be hostage to proscribed extremist groups and as such till such groups are not effectively dismantled and disabled, they will remain a part of any argument. Till such groups are not taken out of the equation, Pakistan has no real response in conflict resolution other than denial in any role that caused the event. The denial of course, whether correct or not, would never be accepted.

On the other hand, India’s Prime Minister was elected only due to his extremist views, a dubious character whose name was on a list of people banned to get a visa for United States. He remains the pride of a radicalized society in India and is a reflection of the people who voted for him. A society that is structured on an intolerant caste system, which amply illustrated its practical manifestation in destroying of Babri Mosque, the Gujrat massacres, burning of the Samjohta Express and many other such atrocities. There is no narrative describing what a democratic, secular India really stands for and represents, therefore, India neither has any image problem nor an issue with its reputation carefully crafted through artificial marketing. Thus, India remains confident amongst the comity of nations, pretending to be the largest democracy in the world with a tolerant and benign view of its worrisome neighbors. India is seen as a role model displaying unprecedented patience in the face of unreasonable terrorist activity sponsored and facilitated by Pakistan. The international community exempts India for its omissions and commissions in causing regional instability, arguing that India is beleaguered and is only defending itself. Therefore, with matters as they are, India has no solution to conflict resolution as its own importance, purpose and relevance originate from this very instability.

When I see the rhetoric, the threat of the Cold Start, with the world ready to look the other way, what stops India? Is it all just a bluff? I am compelled to conclude that whereas India has the intent and desire, it lacks the capability to overwhelm Pakistan by a military initiative. Pakistan, on the other hand, may not have the intent but possesses the capacity to contain any Indian military misadventure. One would ordinarily sense that such a situation would in fact balance out the environment and establish a functional peace but it does not. It lends itself to a situation where war is waged by other means. It manifests itself in so many varying styles, sometimes sectarian, at other times national movements, self-determination or human rights.

Where does this leave us then, what answers do we have to a sustainable regional stability and conflict management? Are we as communities, societies and nations condemned to suffer the consequences of no war-no peace? Will our lives always be governed by the consequences of hostilities and conflict? Is this the best that we can offer our generations to come?

Rather in a roundabout way, I am obliged to agree with the Indian Chief of the Army. The answer may lie in a full-blown military conflict. It’s not a question of Cold Start, Hot Pursuit or Pro-active for these are only the means to an end; it’s the end that we need to understand. Is he saying that Pakistan must not exist and that it’s either that or nothing? Yet, alternatively has he discovered a point where Pakistan may acquiesce and capitulate, thus limiting war only till Pakistan only has to surrender? Is that a reasonable assumption for the Indian Chief to make with the effort and resource invested in him, his experience and education that he has been exposed to; is the best that he can hypothesize?

Let’s examine the possibilities in a conflict scenario.

First, Pakistan may repel the Indian military onslaught and with great losses to both sides, Pakistan remains intact and the Indian offensive fails. Contrary to my Indian friends’ beliefs, and much to their dislike, I would accord priority to this possibility. This would be the worst-case scenario for India.

The other possibility is that India prevails, but Pakistan, being the unreasonable country that it is, does not do the reasonable thing and surrenders. Now what? The endgame looks very much like a ‘mutually assured destruction’ scenario, where an insignificant Pakistan may not survive and in light of its image, neither be missed but a decimated India, would be a terrible blow to the international community. What with the largest democracy cleaned out, the biggest market to international outsourcing lost and the last frontier to a Chinese expansion annihilated, India would be fondly remembered for decades to come. However, I accord a very low priority to such a scenario because of my belief that it will not come to this.

At any rate, where does this leave ‘The Cold Start’ doctrine?


Lt. General (R) Tariq Khan
Lieutenant General (R) Tariq Khan, an erudite general from Pakistan's Armored Corps and a decorated War Veteran, recently spoke on critical issues related to Terrorism & Insurgencies. Gen Tariq Khan during the Battle of Bajaur, transformed and re-shaped Frontier Corps into a relentless fighting force and raised FC's own special forces popularly known as SOG. Commanded and led major operations in FATA from the frontline, his model on counter-insurgency is still applied to this day.

https://www.commandeleven.com/analysis/cold-start-mutually-assured-destruction/
 
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SO now how the hindian liars on PDF deny the existence of the Cold Start Doctrine? They have been as usual in the denial mode but now their army chief is claiming.
They bring the cold start or hot start we will finish them off with our full might inshaALLAH...Ghazwa-e-Hind Zindabad.
 
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Cold start option could have worked in 90s when Pakistan army was not in any war mode from long time

Now Pakistan army is on top of everything they are battle ready force and hugely successful army in conducting operations at its own will and time

Back in 90s even col level officials have never seen any real wars

But now even a soldier has seen it and well trained

There is always a gap b/w training and real wars

Pakistan army have gone through both in last decade

On the other hand Indian army might be trained but never seen real thing may be few elements here n there but not as a whole

General public of Pakistan has also willingly or not gone through it
Indian general public have seen it in movies only


It's not a perfect time for India
But really perfect for Pakistan as china interests are very high now

India is lucky as Pakistan does not have leaders like modi or general like Indians
They know the real costs of war and only will act on defensive measures

Indian generals think 1000s time before any miss adventure
 
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General Bipin Rawat, the Indian Chief of the Army, wants to restart the Cold Start doctrine. I never knew it was off the table. I thought they had developed the doctrine of Pro-active Strategy or maybe it was changing the label; old wine-new bottle. Whatever the case, he is looking for war. He wants to attack Pakistan.

Pakistan is blamed for being India Centric, but I have never heard a single political leader use India for political mileage here in Pakistan, whereas in India, if Pakistan is not factored into the argument – any argument – one loses a few brownie points. Never mind that Pakistan has stated clearly and unequivocally that it will not initiate war but then intentions are fickle things and can change at the drop of a hat; it’s the capability one needs be cautious off.

Off and on, India voices its intent and even goes the extra mile by offensive concentration and cross border firing. Fortunately, Pakistan recognizes intent as opposed to capability and is not impressed by the rhetoric.

So what governs Indo-Pak relations? Is it Indian belligerence that contains an aggressive Pakistan or is it Pakistani deterrence that keeps India at bay? We shall never really know but one thing is certain, it is strongly influenced by the spontaneity of a sudden event. This event has some defining signatures: first, it would have to be something that happened in India to create an impact. An event in Pakistan has no apparent effect on an Indo-Pak relationship; probably because the political and military will have been severely compromised due to an image deficit. Second, it could be manufactured to create a cause-belief justifying military action against Pakistan. Third, it could be non-state actor operating independently whose agenda is to destabilize the region. Fourth, it could be Pakistan sponsored so as to force India’s hand when they are not ready for it.

Is an Indo-Pak relationship merely a military conflict, lying in wait for a trigger to set it off? If this is the case, we must address the root of the animosity to facilitate conflict resolution? I would say we need to focus on the event-oriented environment. First and foremost, I would say that Pakistan’s credibility and image would always be hostage to proscribed extremist groups and as such till such groups are not effectively dismantled and disabled, they will remain a part of any argument. Till such groups are not taken out of the equation, Pakistan has no real response in conflict resolution other than denial in any role that caused the event. The denial of course, whether correct or not, would never be accepted.

On the other hand, India’s Prime Minister was elected only due to his extremist views, a dubious character whose name was on a list of people banned to get a visa for United States. He remains the pride of a radicalized society in India and is a reflection of the people who voted for him. A society that is structured on an intolerant caste system, which amply illustrated its practical manifestation in destroying of Babri Mosque, the Gujrat massacres, burning of the Samjohta Express and many other such atrocities. There is no narrative describing what a democratic, secular India really stands for and represents, therefore, India neither has any image problem nor an issue with its reputation carefully crafted through artificial marketing. Thus, India remains confident amongst the comity of nations, pretending to be the largest democracy in the world with a tolerant and benign view of its worrisome neighbors. India is seen as a role model displaying unprecedented patience in the face of unreasonable terrorist activity sponsored and facilitated by Pakistan. The international community exempts India for its omissions and commissions in causing regional instability, arguing that India is beleaguered and is only defending itself. Therefore, with matters as they are, India has no solution to conflict resolution as its own importance, purpose and relevance originate from this very instability.

When I see the rhetoric, the threat of the Cold Start, with the world ready to look the other way, what stops India? Is it all just a bluff? I am compelled to conclude that whereas India has the intent and desire, it lacks the capability to overwhelm Pakistan by a military initiative. Pakistan, on the other hand, may not have the intent but possesses the capacity to contain any Indian military misadventure. One would ordinarily sense that such a situation would in fact balance out the environment and establish a functional peace but it does not. It lends itself to a situation where war is waged by other means. It manifests itself in so many varying styles, sometimes sectarian, at other times national movements, self-determination or human rights.

Where does this leave us then, what answers do we have to a sustainable regional stability and conflict management? Are we as communities, societies and nations condemned to suffer the consequences of no war-no peace? Will our lives always be governed by the consequences of hostilities and conflict? Is this the best that we can offer our generations to come?

Rather in a roundabout way, I am obliged to agree with the Indian Chief of the Army. The answer may lie in a full-blown military conflict. It’s not a question of Cold Start, Hot Pursuit or Pro-active for these are only the means to an end; it’s the end that we need to understand. Is he saying that Pakistan must not exist and that it’s either that or nothing? Yet, alternatively has he discovered a point where Pakistan may acquiesce and capitulate, thus limiting war only till Pakistan only has to surrender? Is that a reasonable assumption for the Indian Chief to make with the effort and resource invested in him, his experience and education that he has been exposed to; is the best that he can hypothesize?

Let’s examine the possibilities in a conflict scenario.

First, Pakistan may repel the Indian military onslaught and with great losses to both sides, Pakistan remains intact and the Indian offensive fails. Contrary to my Indian friends’ beliefs, and much to their dislike, I would accord priority to this possibility. This would be the worst-case scenario for India.

The other possibility is that India prevails, but Pakistan, being the unreasonable country that it is, does not do the reasonable thing and surrenders. Now what? The endgame looks very much like a ‘mutually assured destruction’ scenario, where an insignificant Pakistan may not survive and in light of its image, neither be missed but a decimated India, would be a terrible blow to the international community. What with the largest democracy cleaned out, the biggest market to international outsourcing lost and the last frontier to a Chinese expansion annihilated, India would be fondly remembered for decades to come. However, I accord a very low priority to such a scenario because of my belief that it will not come to this.

At any rate, where does this leave ‘The Cold Start’ doctrine?


Lt. General (R) Tariq Khan
Lieutenant General (R) Tariq Khan, an erudite general from Pakistan's Armored Corps and a decorated War Veteran, recently spoke on critical issues related to Terrorism & Insurgencies. Gen Tariq Khan during the Battle of Bajaur, transformed and re-shaped Frontier Corps into a relentless fighting force and raised FC's own special forces popularly known as SOG. Commanded and led major operations in FATA from the frontline, his model on counter-insurgency is still applied to this day
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Where is the weblink of this writeup?

Thanks.
 
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The Indian public want a war with Pakistan and want it yesterday. The politicians and the generals are just trying to give the public what they want.
 
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pakistan doesn't have enough nukes nor do they have strong enough ones to ensure MAD. It will take most of their nukes to destroy Delhi. Indian government is structured in such a way any remaining Metro can take over as the seat of Central government. If all of those are destroy (impossible because of the aforementioned problems), the Triservices branch in the Andamens can be used by the military government.
 
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pakistan doesn't have enough nukes nor do they have strong enough ones to ensure MAD. It will take most of their nukes to destroy Delhi. Indian government is structured in such a way any remaining Metro can take over as the seat of Central government. If all of those are destroy (impossible because of the aforementioned problems), the Triservices branch in the Andamens can be used by the military government.
Only Delhi ? Why do you sound like baba submarine swamy.

Oh I get it you're NRI , so during war yo won't be affected
 
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pakistan doesn't have enough nukes nor do they have strong enough ones to ensure MAD. It will take most of their nukes to destroy Delhi. Indian government is structured in such a way any remaining Metro can take over as the seat of Central government. If all of those are destroy (impossible because of the aforementioned problems), the Triservices branch in the Andamens can be used by the military government.
And H!ndia hardly does, the truth is your tests were a dud, your nukes are only as powerful as ours, and you have less of those!
 
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Nuclear war will never happen, even if India attacks; it's very unlikely Pakistan will use 'tactical nukes'. Nuclear remarks were made only to keep Indian misadventures at bay as Pakistan was in a vulnerable position because of the bogged down fighting in North West. No matter what, neither side has the capabilities or resources for a proper war. If there is ever a war, it'll be similar to 1965; many casualties but will end up reverting to previous boundaries.
 
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He calls Cold Start rhetoric, but the fact is this entire article is filled with rhetoric.

Pakistan is blamed for being India Centric, but I have never heard a single political leader use India for political mileage here in Pakistan, whereas in India, if Pakistan is not factored into the argument – any argument – one loses a few brownie points.

Lol.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...lawal-Bhutto-Zardari/articleshow/42987127.cms
"I will take back Kashmir, all of it, and I will not leave behind a single inch of it because, like the other provinces, it belongs to Pakistan," said the scion of highly influential Bhutto family.


On the other hand, India’s Prime Minister was elected only due to his extremist views, a dubious character whose name was on a list of people banned to get a visa for United States.

Funnily, he also got the Muslim vote. Who do you think is running Kashmir today?

The other possibility is that India prevails, but Pakistan, being the unreasonable country that it is, does not do the reasonable thing and surrenders. Now what?

It's simple. Balochistan and Sindh will be split and made into new countries. Sindh may even be absorbed into the Indian union. GB will be absorbed into India. All these areas will get their own govt and the fighting will cease. The rest of Pak, particularly Punjab, can remain on the boil forever, it makes no difference. You don't need a formal surrender to make this happen. Saddam and Gaddafi weren't around to sign surrender agreements. In fact, the Pakistani civilians themselves will string up their generals to stop the fighting. Mussolini anyone?

Pakistan isn't Iraq where the Sunnis fought the US forces. Pakistan has far too much internal turmoil. Plus, India isn't the US, we can park a million men in Pak as an occupying force. And Pak no longer has a neighbour that will help initiate an insurgency, like how Iraq had Syria's ISIS strongholds and external support. China ain't coming to Pak's rescue.

But the above is possible only if there's a full scale war. The Cold Start doctrine isn't meant to force Pak to surrender. It is meant to seek major concessions from Pakistan after a ceasefire is declared and peace negotiations start.
 
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Nuclear war will never happen, even if India attacks; it's very unlikely Pakistan will use 'tactical nukes'. Nuclear remarks were made only to keep Indian misadventures at bay as Pakistan was in a vulnerable position because of the bogged down fighting in North West. No matter what, neither side has the capabilities or resources for a proper war. If there is ever a war, it'll be similar to 1965; many casualties but will end up reverting to previous boundaries.

With CPEC and the US isolationist policies, any war, IMHO, looks further improbable. Already the Indian analysts are writing that the Chinese armored forces might find a fertile ground in the plains of Punjab and deserts of Sindh like so many other folks throughout the history. Please note that your arch enemies believe in conjectures which are increasingly running toward Pak's favor...
 
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He is talking sense.

Cold start Doctrine has failed and to cover up that failure, Indian Army and GOI keeps bringing up new statements to keep the spirit of war alive and re-assure themselves that they have found a way to win a war with Pakistan.

Isnt it surprising that cold war doctrine sits in bunkers while the blame game of attacks like Uri etc make headlines in India and to cater that a new doctrine, IMAGINARY Surgical strike has been invented.

Fact is, Indian Army and its armour are not capable of a successful CSD. Pakistan Army can absorb the attacks of different indian Pincers through multitude of options and Im not talking about NASR.
 
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