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COAS warns foreign states, agencies against involvement in Balochistan


Because what you are trying to suggest is a fool's dream, near to impossible to achieve no matter how your media may make it sound easy. That is why I don't want an intelligent person living in fool's paradise.


It is ok for Pakistanis to call for breakaway of an Indian state, but not vice versa?

First we don't have states in Pakistan, its provinces; second Kashmir is a disputed territory between two countries. Balochistan is a very weak meager insurgency with which we have not dealt with full force yet.

If I try to say we will break away Punjab from India, then you have all the right to feel aggrieved but Kashmir no.
 
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dude check your calender its 2015, its not 1971, its not 1962...the only thing you need to know about Pakistanis is they are suicidal
they are pretty damn good at it .. being suicidal!
 
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These are not our fault lines your post just showed you have no idea about the issues in Pakistan first go and learn about issues than talk

This is the core issue Zarvan.

You are a nation that was formed by splicing three separate natiral nation states and fusing two completely different people from two independent ancient civilizations and then expecting the whole construct to work on the premise that you all were Muslims.

It did not work with Bangladsh. Its not going to work with Balochistan. Nor is it working with NWFP and FATA.

You know it. I know it. We all know it. Keep chanting Kashmir Kashmir. We are seeing the reality.
 
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Because what you are trying to suggest is a fool's dream, near to impossible to achieve no matter how your media may make it sound easy. That is why I don't want an intelligent person living in fool's paradise.

Anything is possible. Given the right conditions and enough time, water can break rock.

First we don't have states in Pakistan, its provinces; second Kashmir is a disputed territory between two countries. Balochistan is a very weak meager insurgency with which we have not dealt with full force yet.

If I try to say we will break away Punjab from India, then you have all the right to feel aggrieved but Kashmir no.

Kashmir is disputed only in your mind.

Jammu and Kashmir (including Ladakh) is a state of India and an integral part of India.

The "weak meager insurgency" has fought 5 wars of Indpendence with the State of Pakistan since 1947. Wars in which your regular forces were deployed. Fighter jets. Artillery shelling. Gunships.

If that is insurgency, then what is war?
 
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What the F are you talking about ?Shall I post the previous retard posts of your own members that target our own RAW?Do you really need that spoon feed to read those posts.?

Pakistan is a liability to entire SAARC .That is why we connecting with trade and business with entire SAARC without Pakistan.
Whereever you goes you will create problems in there.Your Arab masters are now threatining you because of the back stabbing .And those is your best friends .They are talking like this .Then God knows the condition of NZ if you are in their neighbour hood
We dont need Pakistan ,we can move forward without Pakistan and infact we already proved that.
But Pakistan has a reputation of buying our products from Dubai throught middlemen with exaorbitant price.They have illegal DTH connection of our companies .Even our bollywood is dominating Pakistan .But we didnt see any thing like that from acrossthe border.And we dont need to.

Believe it or not.
New gen dont have any colonial sympathy.Now for majority of Indians you arejust an alien.




Very Good .At least you have that industry apart from those one and only non state actors factory .
But I didnt expect these generoisity where you export it to other nations by sacrficing the needs of your own citizens :sarcastic:

exactily for the victims and people living in asam manipur punjab kashmir and many many more whos voices cant be heard in your media.. and on top of people like you come to cry for nothing and taunting like a Typical ignorant dehati women.
oh yeah i forgot its yoru nation pride.. you had it from our Beloved PM!
enjoy the title.
 
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This is the core issue Zarvan.

You are a nation that was formed by splicing three separate natiral nation states and fusing two completely different people from two independent ancient civilizations and then expecting the whole construct to work on the premise that you all were Muslims.

It did not work with Bangladsh. Its not going to work with Balochistan. Nor is it working with NWFP and FATA.

You know it. I know it. We all know it. Keep chanting Kashmir Kashmir. We are seeing the reality.
Your post again showed you have no idea at all go and learn about the issue
 
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Your post again showed you have no idea at all go and learn about the issue

Well, it is my opinion. And I have been following events in your country that add weight to my theory. You are free to disagree. The reality will play out sooner or later.
 
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A speck in the beard of a thief
Chor ki dhaari mai tinka

If Indians are not involved in terrorism, why are they concerned about this statement?
Just go chill out. Have Gen. Raheel mention India or RAW in his statement?
 
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Anything is possible. Given the right conditions and enough time, water can break rock.

Yeah for the time being people are waving Pakistani flag in Indian Occupied Kashmir. You had the time since 2002 but could not make full use of it. So forget about any other right conditions and time.



Kashmir is disputed only in your mind.

Jammu and Kashmir (including Ladakh) is a state of India and an integral part of India.

:D


The "weak meager insurgency" has fought 5 wars of Indpendence with the State of Pakistan since 1947. Wars in which your regular forces were deployed. Fighter jets. Artillery shelling. Gunships.

If that is insurgency, then what is war?

?????? What are we talking about? BLA and company in Balochistan?
 
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?????? What are we talking about? BLA and company in Balochistan?

This is a piece from 2005 printed in The Outlook ......

The Second Baloch War Of Independence | B. Raman

The Second Baloch War Of Independence
It poses a moral dilemma for India. Realpolitik made us let them down the first time around. But why should we hesitate to draw the attention of the international community to the ruthless massacre of the Baloch nationalists by the Pakistan army?
B. Raman

Apparently in reprisal for what has been projected as firing of rockets by unidentified elements at a helicopter carrying Maj. Gen. Shujaat Zamir Dar, the Inspector-General of the Frontier Corps, and at a public meeting addressed by President Pervez Musharraf at Kohlu during his visit to Balochistan last week, the Pakistan Army has launched since December 18, 2005, a military-cum-para-military operation in the Kohlu area of Balochistan, which is the stronghold of the Marri tribe.

The reprisal attacks have involved the use of at least three Brigades-strength of the Army and the Frontier Corps and about eight helicopters .At a time when the Pakistan Army has been complaining to the UN and the international community about the shortage of helicopters for quake relief in Azad Kashmir (Azad Kashmir) and the North-West Frontier Province (NWFP), it has diverted eight of its own helicopters, which were being used for quake relief in the Azad Kashmir, to Balochistan for being armed and used as helicopter gunships. In addition to the use of helicopters, there have been at least two air strikes on suspected strongholds of the Marri tribe.

While details of the casualties suffered by the Marris are not yet available, reports from reliable sources in Quetta say that at least 60 members of the Marri tribe have been killed.

The members of the Marri, Mengal and Bugti tribes have been in the forefront of the revived indepedence struggle, which has been going on in Balochistan for nearly two years now. The first War of Independence of the Balochs launched immediately after the liberation of Bangladesh in 1971, was ruthlessly crushed by the late Zulfiquar Ali Bhutto, then in power, with the help of the Pakistan Army and the Air Force. The first War of Independence was fought largely by the Marri tribe led by Khair Bux Marri and the Mengal tribe led by Ataullah Khan Mengal. The Bugti tribe, led by Akbar Khan Bugti, did not join the first War of Independence.

Taking advantage of the lack of unity among the various tribes, the Pakistani Army and Air Force managed to crush the post-1971 uprising after killing hundreds of Baloch youth through air strikes. The survivors led by Khair Bux Marri and Ataullah Khan Mengal crossed over into Afghanistan and took shelter there. They returned to Pakistan after the overthrow of President Najibullah and the capture of power by the Afghan Mujahideen in April, 1992. The returnees gave up their uprising and returned to the national mainstream.

The civilian governments headed by Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif made overtures to the Baloch nationalists and managed to persuade them to give up resort to violence, despite continuing differences between Islamabad and the Baloch nationalists over questions such as genuine political autonomy for Balochistan, larger allocation of central tax revenue and development funds for Balochistan and payment of inadequate royalty for the gas found in Balochistan and taken to Punjab to sustain its economy.

The return of the Army to power under the dictatorship of President-General Pervez Musharraf on October 12, 1999, led to a gradual deterioration of the situation in the province. Amongst the reasons for this were: the traditional grievances of the Balochs over the lack of political autonomy, inadequate royalty payment for gas and lack of economic development; the construction of the Gwadar port by the Army with Chinese assistance without the involvement of the Baloch people and their government in Quetta in the decision-making relating to the port; the award of all major contracts relating to the construction of the port to companies based in Karachi and Lahore; and the re-settlement of a large number of ex-servicemen from Punjab and other parts of Pakistan in the Gwadar and the surrounding areas on the Mekran coast in order to assure the security of the new port. The fact that Pakistan's nuclear-testing site was located at Chagai in Balochistan also aggravated the grievances due to fears of long-term environmental and health damage.

This led to an organisation calling itself the Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) launching a second War of Independence. For the last two years, the province has been in a state of increasing ferment due to the revived independence struggle. The BLA has been successfully indulging in tactics such as attacks on gas pipelines, electricity transmission lines, posts of the Pakistan Army and the Frontier Corps etc.

In response to the growing instability in the province, Musharraf decided to create more cantonments in the province. This aggravated the feelings of anger of the Baloch nationalists, who saw this as the prelude to a determined military attempt to suppress them.

Whereas the first Baloch War of Independence was triggered off largely by political grievances, the second War of Independence has been triggered off by a mix of political, economic and social grievances. Since the construction of the Gwadar port with Chinese assistance has been one of the important causes of the current uprising, part of the Baloch anger is also turned against the Chinese, who are perceived as collaborating with the Pakistan Army in its attempts to subjugate the Balochs.

There were some incidents of violence such as explosions directed against the Chinese engineers and other personnel working in the Gwadar project. While there is reason to believe that these incidents were the work of the Uighur nationalists fighting for the independence of Xinjiang, the Pakistan Army projected them as due to the activities of the BLA. The Army allowed the Chinese intelligence to post its officers in Gwadar to ensure the security of its nationals. It also allowed the Chinese intelligence to open a monitoring station at Gwadar to collect technical intelligence about the movements and activities of the Uighur and Baloch naionalists. The TECHINT thus collected by the Chinese is shared with Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).This has added to the anger of the nationalists against the Chinese, but they have not so far specifically targeted the Chinese.

The political situation in the province has been further complicated by the re-settlement of a large number of Taliban leaders and fighters and the leaders and members of Gulbuddin Heckmatyar's Hizbe Islami in the Pashtun majority areas of Balochistan and in Quetta by the ISI. The Taliban and the Hizbe Islami remnants operating from the Pashtun majority areas of Balochistan have been mainly active against the American and Afghan troops in Afghan territory. They do not pose any threat to the Pakistani Army.

For the last one year, the Pakistan Army has strengthened its military and para-military deployment in the province. In March last, it initially started a military operation in the Bugti area, where the gas production fields, which supply gas to the Punjab, are located. The operation ended in a stalemate resulting in what was described as a gentlemen's agreement between Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti, the leader of the tribe, and the Army to maintain peace and vacate each other's trenches.

Fearing that the launching of a full-scale military operation in Balochistan might result in an East Pakistan-like situation in the province, a group of pro-Musharraf political leaders headed by Chaudhry Shujjaat Hussain of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League (Qaide Azam) set up a parliamentary committee to enter into a dialogue with Bugti and reach a political compromise. This did not lead to any satisfactory compromise. While those negotiating on behalf of this committee were prepared to recommend to Musharraf to increase the royalty payments for the gas and to pay compensation to the Bugti tribe for the damages suffered by it in the military operation; they were not prepared to concede the demands relating to the Gwadar port.

Unlike during the first War of Independence when the lack of tribal unity enabled the Army to prevail, this time it has been confronted by a united front put up by all the three tribes. But the Army feels each tribe has joined the front for its own reasons----the Bugti tribe because of its interest in getting more royalty for the gas and the Marri and the Mengal tribes because of their feelings for independence and their resentment over the Gwadar port. The leaders of the three tribes do not seem to have worked out so far a common programme of action and a consensus on what they desire for Balochistan---greater autonomy or total independence.

In the meanwhile, a group of Baloch youths, who believe that their objective should not be anything short of independence, has constituted the BLA and taken up the fight in its hands. The Pakistan Army has launched a campaign to eradicate these youth fighting for independence. It is calculating that if it does so, the tribal elders would be more amenable to reason and reach a political compromise and give up their demands relating to Gwadar.

If the Baloch elders and youth are not alert to the machinations of Musharraf and fall into the Army trap to prevail over them once again through a policy of divide and rule, they will be repeating their historic blunder of the 1970s. They should draw inspiration from the Bangladesh struggle for independence and unite not only among themselves, but also with the Sindhi nationalists, the Shias of Gilgit and Baltistan and the people of the Azad Kashmir, who had seen how the Pakistan Army treated them as an expendable commodity after the recent quake in order to achieve their common objectives. Their strength will be in their unity. Disunity will be fatal.

The second Baloch War of Independence poses a moral dilemma for India. The Balochs had stood by Mahatma Gandhi and the Congress Party during the independence struggle against the British. They had opposed the partition of India and the creation of Pakistan. If India had to be partitioned, they would have preferred an independent Balochistan. The Balochs were the closest to Gandhi's heart.

Due to reasons of realpolitik, we let them down during their first War of Independence. The same realpolitik would dictate painful inaction by us now too. But that does not mean we should hesitate to draw the attention of the international community to the ruthless massacre of the Baloch nationalists by the Pakistan army. We owe our moral support to them. The struggle for an independent Balochistan is part of the unfinished agenda of the Partition.
B. Raman is Additional Secretary (retd), Cabinet Secretariat, Govt. of India, and, presently, Director, Institute for Topical Studies, Chennai.
 
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