CM-400AKG: Pakistan's supersonic carrier killer

[Hyperion]

Lala, "non nuclear" tactical EMP's that can be transported "feasibly" are a pipe-dream just like "green-energy" or battery operated super-cars. Trust me. It's not technically possible @ the moment. Yes, there are hundreds of plans on the drawing board, just like there are plans for colonies on mars..

@Aeronaut...

 

[That Guy]

I use a typewriter and own pidgeons. So.... I don't worry: my critical infrastructure is EMP proof. Does EMP impair brain function?

I know you're being funny, but considering that the brain depends on tiny electrical discharges to function, I actually wouldn't be surprised if an EMP pulse would affect brain functionality. So your sarcastic question actually has a legitimate point.

Anyone know the answer to that?

 

[Penguin]

I know you're being funny, but considering that the brain depends on tiny electrical discharges to function, I actually wouldn't be surprised if an EMP pulse would affect brain functionality. So your sarcastic question actually has a legitimate point.

Anyone know the answer to that?

Some initial answers

- BASICALLY, EMPs cause electronics to short circuit and not function, but the brain cannot short circuit due to being entriely organic.
-Technically, an EMP strong enough CAN stop brain function, but the EMP's used in warfare and such and CoD or whatever are not so powerful.

EMP can stop the human brain? - Yahoo! Answers

See also
Why do elecromagnetic pulses affect appliances but not humans?
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/www/effects/eonw_11.pdf

.. I'm totally serious all the time, obviously.

 

[Armstrong]

So @Penguin can this CM-400AKG carry enough momentum to punch a sizeable whole in one of the larger Warships to put it out for the duration of the war if not sink it ?

 

[Penguin]

So @Penguin can this CM-400AKG carry enough momentum to punch a sizeable whole in one of the larger Warships to put it out for the duration of the war if not sink it ?

can this CM-400AKG carry enough momentum to punch a sizeable whole in one of the larger Warships > yes, why not?

put it out for the duration of the war if not sink it > very much doubt any single missile can do that to a large (10k ton and up) surface warship

 

[khanasifm]

can this CM-400AKG carry enough momentum to punch a sizeable whole in one of the larger Warships > yes, why not?

put it out for the duration of the war if not sink it > very much doubt any single missile can do that to a large (10k ton and up) surface warship

900kg total mass with 400kg warhead compared to other ASM (Harpoon, C803, AM39 < 200kg) that a big warhead if true plus hypersonic if true

 

[Penguin]

900kg total mass with 400kg warhead compared to other ASM (Harpoon, C803, AM39 < 200kg) that a big warhead if true plus hypersonic if true

That's a rather limited selection for comparison...

Kh-59
Weight 930 kg
Warhead weight 320 kg (705 lb)
3M-54E1 (Club)
weight 1780 kg
warhead 400 kg,

Yakhont
Weight 3,000 kg (6,614 lb)
Warhead 300 kg (661.4 lb)

Brahmos
Weight 3,000 kg / 2,500 kg (air-launched)
Warhead 200-300 kg conventional semi-armour-piercing

Moskit
Weight kg 4,500 kg (9,900 lb)
Warhead 320 kg (710 lb) explosive

AND...

LRASM-A : 450 kg (1,000 lb) blast-fragmentation penetrator
based on the AGM-158B JASSM-ER, which weighs 1021 kg (2250 lbs)

MBDA has developed a longer-range sea-launched variant of Scalp/Storm Shadow for the French Navy, called Missile de Croisière Naval (MdCN standing for Naval Cruise Missile).
Weight 1,230 kilograms (2,711.7 lb)
Warhead 450 kg BROACH (Bomb Royal Ordnance Augmented Charge)
(not too difficult to cross-mate with MM40 Exocet Block III guidance and make a french LRASM-A)

 

[Penguin]

Interesting page: List of sunken aircraft carriers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Note the very strong involvement of torpedoes - submarine or torpedo bomber launched - in actually sinking carriers (with bombs often 'only' cripling the carrier). I think that has to do with where the carrier is hit rather than with warhead weight. After all, 500kg and 1000kg bombs were and are not uncommon (think the Mk 84/BLU-117 most typically used by the United States Navy and used as the warhead for a variety of precision-guided precision-guided munitions, including the GBU-10/GBU-24/GBU-27 Paveway laser-guided bombs, GBU-15 electro-optical bomb, GBU-31 JDAM and Quickstrike sea mines

 

[Armstrong]

can this CM-400AKG carry enough momentum to punch a sizeable whole in one of the larger Warships > yes, why not?

put it out for the duration of the war if not sink it > very much doubt any single missile can do that to a large (10k ton and up) surface warship

So does that mean that the very term 'carrier killer' is a gross exaggeration at best or a completely fictitious misnomer at the very worst !

That the CM-400AKG is nothing more or less than a high-speed equivalent of a contemporary anti-ship missile & that its a far cry from the game changer or a great force multiplier that its been made out to be by many of us ?

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

900kg total mass with 400kg warhead compared to other ASM (Harpoon, C803, AM39 < 200kg) that a big warhead if true plus hypersonic if true

400 KG?its warhead is 205 kg as far as i know.

 

[Dillinger]

So does that mean that the very term 'carrier killer' is a gross exaggeration at best or a completely fictitious misnomer at the very worst !

That the CM-400AKG is nothing more or less than a high-speed equivalent of a contemporary anti-ship missile & that its a far cry from the game changer or a great force multiplier that its been made out to be by many of us ?

Its not the punch that matters. The problem is that despite its speed its relatively easy to detect because of its ballistic trajectory unlike say a cruise missile (with a terrain hugging or wave skimming profile). The hyper-sonic dive itself is dangerous and yet we have successfully intercepted re-entering SRBMs with mach 4.5 interceptors at an altitude of about 15000 meters (an excellent targeting system, QR acquisition and vector to target, lateral acceleration of 80g is sufficient for the job, the speed of the interceptor is really not an issue since this not a tail chase- Interceptor missile test fired successfully | NDTV.com - the interceptor used in this case is actually inferior to the AD interceptor on our latest ships). The real issue while taking out a carrier is getting past the BARCAP which is maintained a good distance out, 150-200 nm (far beyond the engagement range of the said missile) from the carrier. Unfortunately the JFT does not have the combat radius to bypass the BARCAP, furthermore the CR of the aerial platforms at your disposal ensures that at the very moment that our CBG may be in range of such an attack it will also be within the ambit of the IN's shore based and ship based (kamov) AEW&C platforms. BUT it will still keep the CBG at a certain distance from the coast and will tighten up the operational opportunities and windows.

 

[neehar]

Ok, get ready

Brahmos is the gretest invention of all time ..... wait for it ......................

Congratulations PAF !

is there anything mentioned about CM-400AKG other than "it has similar capabilities" and then the whole article is about brahmos..i think we have sufficient threads about brahmos..for a this thread is no less hypothetical than that misslie which is compared to the all terrain accurate and precisely successful brahmos
here it goes..brahmos is the successful invention of all time

 

[Penguin]

So does that mean that the very term 'carrier killer' is a gross exaggeration at best or a completely fictitious misnomer at the very worst !

That the CM-400AKG is nothing more or less than a high-speed equivalent of a contemporary anti-ship missile & that its a far cry from the game changer or a great force multiplier that its been made out to be by many of us ?

'Carrier killer' suggests 1 hit = 1 kill. This is very, very unlikely. Now, it is a different thing when dealing with a volley of 20-30 simultaneously, of which e.g. 5 hit near sumultaneously. But even then, while this may disable a carrier or result in operational kill, it may very well not sink or semi-permanently damage the carrier. One reaon CVNs are as big as they are is to be able to absorb damage. They are furthermore equipped with very substantial fire prevention and damage control systems, and have crews that are well trained at this (in USN probably more so than in any other navy)

Back in the day, the soviets used to operate supersonic anti ship missiles with larget than 500kg warheads ... , so this particular CM-400AHG warhead may be relatively large by today´s standard but that is certainly nothing new. And those soviet missiles weren´t dubbed carrier killer... and I don´t recall the USN being very afraid of them.

Surface to surface
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-500_Bazalt (950kg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-700_Granit (750 kg)

Air to surface
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-22 (1,000 kg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KSR-2 (1,000 kg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KSR-5 (1,000 kg)

is there anything mentioned about CM-400AKG other than "it has similar capabilities" and then the whole article is about brahmos..i think we have sufficient threads about brahmos..for a this thread is no less hypothetical than that misslie which is compared to the all terrain accurate and precisely successful brahmos
here it goes..brahmos is the successful invention of all time

You mean Yakhont

 

[Nishan_101]

'Carrier killer' suggests 1 hit = 1 kill. This is very, very unlikely. Now, it is a different thing when dealing with a volley of 20-30 simultaneously, of which e.g. 5 hit near sumultaneously. But even then, while this may disable a carrier or result in operational kill, it may very well not sink or semi-permanently damage the carrier. One reaon CVNs are as big as they are is to be able to absorb damage. They are furthermore equipped with very substantial fire prevention and damage control systems, and have crews that are well trained at this (in USN probably more so than in any other navy)

Back in the day, the soviets used to operate supersonic anti ship missiles with larget than 500kg warheads ... , so this particular CM-400AHG warhead may be relatively large by today´s standard but that is certainly nothing new. And those soviet missiles weren´t dubbed carrier killer... and I don´t recall the USN being very afraid of them.

Surface to surface
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-500_Bazalt (950kg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-700_Granit (750 kg)

Air to surface
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-22 (1,000 kg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KSR-2 (1,000 kg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KSR-5 (1,000 kg)



You mean Yakhont

I am sure that KRL or NESCOM are capable of making one like that but I think they are weak in sensor side like Radar and a bit avionics.

 

[Shadow_Hunter]

Does anyone know the weight of warhead of this missile? with source please