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Closer Ties Predicted between Russia and Pakistan.

title of the thread seems to be exaggerated ...we are no where near an asian tiger ....may be people are too impressed by the lions and tigers symbols our political parties have.... its safe to say that we are an asian duck :enjoy:
 
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India need to stop posting that slogan indo-rusia bhai bhai lol
I see many Indians posting this in youtube & many other forums. Time is changing :)
Is pakistan part of BRICS??

I dont see time changing.
 
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lets not rush for things , we have fight with Russians , so it will take time to melt this ice of hate ...but Russians are no kids here , they know that Pakistan is key player in South asia and Middle east .. probably with the help of Russia relationship between Pak-india will stable , if not get good , but wont get worse as well ... time has changed a lot , and Russians are now far from this indian wish lists and concerns not sell this or that to pakistan ... if they want re gain their power , they need allies .. just as USA do .... the only change would be , if Russians treat their Allies well , and dont betray them like USA did, they will get so much benefits ..... Pakistan is growing economy , Russian will find lots of business here , in public and army sector .. but everything comes with a price .. Russians will ask for something more than money to rebuild this trust ... but everything takes time .... lets wait and watch
 
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Whenever PML-N comes into Power, Pakistan turns from "Islamic republic of Pakistan" to "Asian tiger". Indians can cry us a river if they want.

Back to the topic, Russia is more or less a super power again. USA partied a lot for the past 20 years, now it's arch rival is back. Cold war 2.0 has already started. And Pakistan should ask Russia for forgiveness for the 80s, as it was under dictator rule.
 
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Is pakistan part of BRICS??

I don't see time changing.
No they don't but they dream about it :lol:
Plus Russia only care about it's profit & business. If they see their profit in pakistan then will do whatever they want. Russia trying to strengthen it's relationship with those countries who hates USA most. And i know this closer ties only is dikhawa like russia say closer ties with india & refused to help in kargil war. Never believe in baharwali only trust in andarwali ( your own peoples ) :lol:
 
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Whenever PML-N comes into Power, Pakistan turns from "Islamic republic of Pakistan" to "Asian tiger". Indians can cry us a river if they want.

Back to the topic, Russia is more or less a super power again. USA partied a lot for the past 20 years, now it's arch rival is back. Cold war 2.0 has already started. And Pakistan should ask Russia for forgiveness for the 80s, as it was under dictator rule.

Forgiveness? Never lol
 
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Whenever PML-N comes into Power, Pakistan turns from "Islamic republic of Pakistan" to "Asian tiger". Indians can cry us a river if they want.

Back to the topic, Russia is more or less a super power again. USA partied a lot for the past 20 years, now it's arch rival is back. Cold war 2.0 has already started. And Pakistan should ask Russia for forgiveness for the 80s, as it was under dictator rule.

Putin is not Stalin, Russia will never regain the lost glory of the USSR. That is because the world has changed significantly since the WW2 which created the super-power USSR, particularly after 90s. Events like the rise of China, US' self-reliance on fuel have changed the geopolitical equations.

Russia can have Pakistan as it's ally because similar alliance between say Russia and India is no longer practical/possible. Large countries like India will no longer seek close relation with select few. Relations between various regional and global powers will be broad-based.
 
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First we were termed an Asian tiger back in the 1950's and 1960's. We are in 2014 now, and I would think that house cat is more appropriate.

Pakistan doesn't need "huge strategic" partnerships, that in many cases have bought us untold misery, and needs to better itself. There is no evidence to suggest this is happening, and Russia is still wary of China, and you know how close ties are there.

Russia should be kept as a trade partner and that is it.
 
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First we were termed an Asian tiger back in the 1950's and 1960's. We are in 2014 now, and I would think that house cat is more appropriate.

Pakistan doesn't need "huge strategic" partnerships, that in many cases have bought us untold misery, and needs to better itself. Russia should be kept as a trade partner and that is it.

don't know much about Pakistan diplomatic relations, But I think a lot less emphasis is placed on having relations with say large economies in South America, or even hell Africa.

Then you have Indonesia. I feel like the economic and diplomatic relations should be multi-dimensional. Relations with Developed countries for Science, Heavy industry etc. Relations with fast growing developing economies to study how they deal with externalities of fast paced growth and cultural linkages as well.

India could learn a lot by interacting with Latin America countries on how to deal with a large income gap, Infrastructure gaps and poverty.

That's my opinion though :-)

Russia will never be the same power again. This is a Multi-polar world with many emerging powers.
 
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So many trolls hating all at once some things I guess just never change will take your hate with you to the grave when its your time , I suggest trying living life in a peaceful manner and find other hobbies and spend your time wisely life is way too short.
 
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Russia’s Strategic Pakistan Play

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Russia’s decision to go ahead with the sale of Mi-35 attack helicopters to Pakistan, even in the face of official Indian concerns, is being seen by some quarters as evidence of a “major” regional re-alignment in the wake of the American drawdown in Afghanistan.

In fact, the Russia-Pakistan dialogue for regional integration has been underway for some time now and beyond security cooperation, it is more fundamentally driven by Moscow’s push towards ‘southern” markets and Pakistan’s need for a capable yet politically “manageable” strategic sector trade and investment partner. The Mi-35 sale (if it does materialize) reflects the fact that the geo-economic stakes for both sides are now high enough for them to make a concerted push towards a long term compartmentalized working relationship in a manner not dissimilar to the way in which their more traditional partners – India for Russia and America for Pakistan – deal with each other. Indeed, in a world characterized by both competition and cooperation the heady rhetoric of “strategic partnership” means little and it is the transactional content that weighs on any relationship. Far more than cooperation in counter-terrorism, Russia and Pakistan will have to move forward quickly on Putin’s commitment to invest in the latter’s energy and metallurgy sectors for their relationship to be meaningful.

It could be argued that it was actually America’s entry into the region a decade ago that ultimately accentuated the circumstances that impel Russia and Pakistan closer to each other. Pakistan’s counter-terrorism cooperation with America salved with military aid has been toxic for domestic stability, as the situation in FATA and Waziristan reveal. As the tempo of internal stability operations has increased, Pakistan is keen to diversify away from America for certain classes of weaponry to a source that can supply cheaper and more rugged alternatives with a much smaller political price on the domestic front. The Mi-35 fits that bill and is likely to prove useful for Pakistani operations against the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) in mountainous areas, given its pedigree from the Afghan theater. At the moment Pakistan is using AH-1 Cobra Gunships that were originally obtained from America for use against Indian armoured formations in the plains and are proving expensive to use in operations against the TTP. Pakistan may not wish to be saddled with too much expensive American equipment that it can”t afford without generous aid.

Russia until recently was “reluctant” to transfer equipment that could be labelled as offensive in nature such as the Mi-35, and was holding back probably with an eye on a number of Indian military procurement tenders such as the multi-billion dollar medium multirole combat aircraft (MMRCA) competition. In 2010, Russia’s UAC, which was participating in the tender, even made noises about blocking the re-export of 150 KlimovRD-93 turbofans from China for Pakistan Air force’s future mainstay, the JF-17, on the grounds that it would compete with the Russian Mig-29 in international markets. By 2013, however, with Russia having lost out on the MMRCA tender and other Indian competitions, the Russians reiterated their commitment to continue supplies of the RD-93 and the JF-17 Block II commenced production in late 2013. So while much is being made of the Mi-35 sale, the fact is the Pakistanis seem set to rely on Russian engines for a majority of their fleet in the coming decades. When seen along with the fact that Russia supplied IL-78 MP refuelling tankers to Pakistan between 2009 and 2012, it is clear that comfort levels on both sides have been growing for quite a while now.

However, Russia is now willing to supply tactical equipment to Pakistan, especially in categories such as attack helicopters, where India either has domestic projects or may buy American. In many of these categories, though Pakistani spending ability given relatively cheaper Russian equipment is not insignificant, the pull for the Russians also comes from securing greater Pakistani willingness to help the Russians maintain security over energy infrastructure transiting areas like Eastern Afghanistan.

Once again, the American push to set up energy transit corridors from Central Asia to India such as the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI) gas pipeline has created a situation of Russia-Pakistan commonality. Russia has for some time expressed an interest in joining the TAPI project and is now pushing decisively for it even while proposing new oil pipelines next to it. Russia is also eager to partner in the Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline project, opposed by the Americans, but with clear potential if Pakistan agrees to guarantee delivery of gas to the India border. Of course, besides military supplies, Russia can also offer Pakistan a lot of useful intelligence in the latter’s fight against the TTP given that group’s link with various Central Asian terrorist organizations.

For Pakistan, the opening of Russia as a source for weapons greatly increases Pakistan’s leg room vis-à-vis American pressure at the strategic level. Moreover while Pakistan is certainly eager to get involved in trilateral military projects with Russia and China like the JF-17 (which may now even be exported to Myanmar), direct Russian weapon sales are also coveted since the Pakistani military does not want to field only Chinese weapons either.

In fact, as terrorist activities in Xingjiang increase and Pakistan’s internal security situation worsens, the Chinese have been rather selective in their Pakistani investments. For instance, Pakistan’s decrepit railways have actually had to turn to India for help and are looking to lease up to 50 diesel engines as rolling stock. While Indian industry has been making overtures to Nawaz Sharif’s government to open up to cross border investment, the Pakistani military is still looking to a politically less sensitive prospect to shore up the flagging core sectors of the Pakistani economy clearly in need of reliable foreign capital.

Of course, if former Pakistani Army Chief General Kayani’s views are anything to go by, the military understands that there can be no Pakistan without a viable economy. While in uniform, it was Kayani who made a couple of visits to Russia and today the Russians are being wooed as a source for investment in Pakistan’s flagship Thar Coal Project as well as a strategic partner for upgrading the South Asian country’s moribund steel industry. Chechnya it seems is more distant than Kashmir or even Xingjiang and Russia could yet prove a politically acceptable partner for meeting an energy crisis ridden Pakistan’s requirements in quite a few sectors.

For Russia the benefits of succeeding in Pakistan are worth the risk, since it could leverage influence over Af-Pak to reach Indian shores. Indeed, even Pakistan’s Gwadar port, much touted as a Chinese “pearl” could actually host a LNG liquefaction facility that could send cheaper gas supplies than Qatar to import terminals in South India. However, both Russia and Pakistan will have to work quicker to remove long-standing trade disputes for a more conducive environment.

India will of course watch closely to see whether the Russians are indeed able to use the dependencies they are creating in Pakistan for closer regional energy integration. That the Russians are increasing strategic options for their neighbor when even the Saudis are handing over Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorists will obviously be of concern to New Delhi. That is especially so since the Pakistanis themselves are masters at selective counterterrorism at a time when many jihadists in Syria and Afghanistan may soon be looking for a re-direct.

Russia’s Strategic Pakistan Play | The Diplomat
 
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I was asking about TIGER........

& you gave me complete documentary on SNOW LEOPARD? :rolleyes:



Asian SNOW leopard :D


Two hundred years ago there were eight subspecies (or races) of tigers -- all with large and genetically healthy populations - ranging West to East from Turkey to Siberia and covering most of Southeast Asia and the Indian subcontinent.

The Caspian Tiger, Panthera tigris virgata, represented the western-most distribution of the tiger - occupying several coastal and lake-centered regions from the Caspian Sea in the West to Lake Balkhash in the East, and including parts of what are now Afghanistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, China, Iran (Persia), Kyrgyzstan, Mongolia, Tajikistan, Turkey, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. The Caspian race was isolated from other tigers by the Himalayan Mountains, dependent on a thin stock of forest dwelling deer, and ultimately found itself in competition with humans for territory. The Caspian tiger has been extinct since the 1970s.

Moving East, in 1800, we would next encounter the Royal Bengal Tiger, Panthera tigris tigris. There were probably at least 100,000 Bengal tigers as recently as the late 19th century with a range that covered almost the entire Indian subcontinent, and included regions of what are now Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Myanmar (Burma), Nepal and even eastern Pakistan. During the course of the twentieth century the population of Bengal tigers decreased by more than 95%, dropping to a low of perhaps two thousand in the 1970s. Thanks to aggressive protection efforts by the Indian government, the tiger made a comeback in the 1980s, peaking at a high of almost five thousand in the early nineties. However the very success of the Indian Tiger Project led to bureaucratic complacency and attracted poachers who had run out of tigers in China and Indonesia. Today there are no more than three thousand tigers left in India, plus perhaps a few hundred combined in small preserves in Bangladesh, Bhutan, Burma and Nepal. The Bengal Tiger is extinct in Pakistan.

Forever Tigers - Vanishing Range of the Tiger

On topic:
Anything that Pakistan needs and is affordable to it, has some quality to it and a value plus, should be aquired from Russia. The helicopter deal is a good example.
 
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