Civil war in Ukraine: News & discussion

[Hindustani78]

Violations? How about the Kiev government violating Minsk by not talking to New Russia. An eye for an eye. A tooth for a tooth. As long as the Kiev government does not talk to New Russia, we will keep targeting its civilians.

Have you read the UN resolution regarding Ukraine territorial intergity ?

 

[munchkin]

Have you read the UN resolution regarding Ukraine territorial intergity ?

There is no such thing as territorial integrity. Every state claims the whole world as its own territory. It is up to every state to fend for itself. After all, an international border is merely an invisible line on the ground. Heck, no one knows where the border between Russia and Ukraine is. This border does not physically exist. It only exists as a black line on political maps.

before Crimea was annexed

 

[Hindustani78]

There is no such thing as territorial integrity. Every state claims the whole world as its own territorial. It is up to every state to fend for itself. After all, an international border is merely an invisible line on the ground.

Eastern Ukraine is part of Ukraine.

Thats why Ukraine wall project stipulates the construction of a 1,920-kilometer-long blind metal fence along the Russian border.

Government portal :: Arseniy Yatsenyuk in Kharkiv region: The Wall project means construction of the first line of defense and a mandatory condition of the visa-free regime with the EU

15.10.2014

 

[munchkin]

Eastern Ukraine is part of Ukraine.

Thats why Ukraine wall project stipulates the construction of a 1,920-kilometer-long blind metal fence along the Russian border.

Government portal :: Arseniy Yatsenyuk in Kharkiv region: The Wall project means construction of the first line of defense and a mandatory condition of the visa-free regime with the EU

They don't even know where the border is to begin with. The border does not physically exist on the ground.

Only where highways cross between Russia and Ukraine are there border checkpoints on both sides, and there are only a few of these.

 

[Hindustani78]

They don't even know where the border is to begin with. The border does not physically exist on the ground.

Only where highways cross between Russia and Ukraine are there border checkpoints on either side, and there are only a few of these.

The wall will stretch along the perimeter of Kharkiv, Chernihiv and Sumy Oblasts, as well as the northern part of Luhansk Oblast. It will also be built along the border with the annexed Crimea peninsula close to Mariupol, Berdiansk and Genichesk cities, according to the plan designed by Ukraine's State Border Service and the National Security and Defense Council.


Russian Federation wants those coal mines in Eastern Ukraine regions and that only is the main reason.

Russia–Ukraine border

 

[munchkin]

The wall will stretch along the perimeter of Kharkiv, Chernihiv and Sumy Oblasts, as well as the northern part of Luhansk Oblast. It will also be built along the border with the annexed Crimea peninsula close to Mariupol, Berdiansk and Genichesk cities, according to the plan designed by Ukraine's State Border Service and the National Security and Defense Council.


Russian Federation wants those coal mines in Eastern Ukraine regions and that only is the main reason.

Where is the border? Where is the border? Do you see the border? The border does not physically exist. No one can see land border because it does not physically exist.

Because they cannot see the border which does not even exist, they cannot build the wall.

The wall will stretch along the perimeter of Kharkiv, Chernihiv and Sumy Oblasts, as well as the northern part of Luhansk Oblast. It will also be built along the border with the annexed Crimea peninsula close to Mariupol, Berdiansk and Genichesk cities, according to the plan designed by Ukraine's State Border Service and the National Security and Defense Council.


Russian Federation wants those coal mines in Eastern Ukraine regions and that only is the main reason.

Russia–Ukraine border

Let me ask you, does a line have width?

 

[Hindustani78]

Where is the border? Where is the border? Do you see the border? The border does not physically exist. No one can see land border because it does not physically exist.

UN resolution and Minsk agreements are for that only.

General Assembly Adopts Resolution Calling upon States Not to Recognize Changes in Status of Crimea Region | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases

Official statements - United Nations in Ukraine

 

[munchkin]

UN resolution and Minsk agreements are for that only.

General Assembly Adopts Resolution Calling upon States Not to Recognize Changes in Status of Crimea Region | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases

In this world, no country cares about another country. It is jungle law. No country cares about Ukraine.

 

[Hindustani78]

In this world, no country cares about another country. It is jungle law. No country cares about Ukraine.

In return for giving up its nukes, Ukraine wanted some security assurances—leading to the 1994 Budapest Memorandum. The memorandum, signed by then-Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma, along with Bill Clinton, Boris Yeltsin, and John Major, required that the signatories “respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine” and “refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine.”
According to Ukraine’s government , Vladimir Putin has now egregiously violated the commitment made by his predecessor to respect Ukraine’s “existing borders.”

"One of the countries that agreed to guarantee (Ukraine's) integrity, Russia, has on the contrary violated it,” French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said, arguing that Ukraine’s fate after voluntarily surrendering its arsenal could encourage other countries to acquire nuclear weapons or refrain from giving them up.



The main thing is this that no countries will now give up Nuclear weapons and again Russian Federation directly helping Israel and not working to make Middle East Nuclear free zone.

 

[munchkin]

In return for giving up its nukes, Ukraine wanted some security assurances—leading to the 1994 Budapest Memorandum. The memorandum, signed by then-Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma, along with Bill Clinton, Boris Yeltsin, and John Major, required that the signatories “respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine” and “refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine.”
According to Ukraine’s government , Vladimir Putin has now egregiously violated the commitment made by his predecessor to respect Ukraine’s “existing borders.”

"One of the countries that agreed to guarantee (Ukraine's) integrity, Russia, has on the contrary violated it,” French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said, arguing that Ukraine’s fate after voluntarily surrendering its arsenal could encourage other countries to acquire nuclear weapons or refrain from giving them up.

Yeah so? There is no border between Russia and Ukraine. Russia and Ukraine are 1 country. Do you see any border on the ground? Do you? Where is the border? Where? This is nothing but an imaginary line on the political map that does not exist in the real world.

 

[Hindustani78]

Yeah so? There is no border between Russia and Ukraine. Russia and Ukraine are 1 country. Do you see any border on the ground? Do you? Where is the border? Where?

Ukraine is a seperate Independent country and its member of United Nations.

 

[munchkin]

Ukraine is a seperate Independent country and its member of United Nations.

Well I say it is not. Who is to argue with me?

 

[Hindustani78]

Well I say it is not. Who is to argue with me?

UN and NATO

 

[munchkin]

UN and NATO

Well I do not recognize their position. I think Ukraine is part of Russia.

 

[Hindustani78]

Well I do not recognize their position. I think Ukraine is part of Russia.

Its a seperate country with seperate consitution, military and this is Flag of Ukraine.