Civil war in Ukraine: News & discussion

[munchkin]

Russia invaded Ukraine and set up New Russia which is eventually to be inhabited by millions of unemployed poor Russian citizens. This gets rid of Russia's poverty problem.

Hundresds of T-72B tanks manned by unemployed poor Russians

 

[Hindustani78]

Russia invaded Ukraine and set up New Russia which is eventually to be inhabited by millions of unemployed poor Russian citizens. This gets rid of Russia's poverty problem.

Hundresds of T-72B tanks manned by unemployed poor Russians

44.5 metric tons tanks with night vision system are being driven by unemployed poor Russians ?

 

[munchkin]

44.5 metric tons tanks with night vision system are being driven by unemployed poor Russians ?

Correct. Unemployed poor people.

 

[munchkin]

Unemployed poor Russian invaders firing 120 mm mortars in February. At 1:19 we can see the mortar rounds were manufactured in 1993, so they were manufactured in Russia, not in Ukraine.

 

[vostok]

You are saying that you are living in Mykolaiv Oblast which is part of Ukraine, how come you will say offcial website of Ukraine as fascist propaganda ?

Are you serious?
Similarly, as in Germany was official Nazi propaganda. So is in Ukraine now.

 

[vostok]

In Novoazovsk reinstated statue of Lenin, which was destroyed by the Nazi occupiers.

 

[Hindustani78]

Are you serious?
Similarly, as in Germany was official Nazi propaganda. So is in Ukraine now.

I have read that Ukrainian name of the city is Микола́їв, for which the transliteration is Mykolaiv, or officially, Mykolayiv. The Russian name is Никола́ев, which transliterates as Nikolaev or Nikolayev.

How it will become German Propaganda ?

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Militants launch 31 attacks at night| Ukrinform

KYIV, April 18 /Ukrinform/. The militants violated the ceasefire 31 times since 17:00 till midnight, April 17. In particular, they used mortars to launch 14 attacks and artillery to launch four attacks.

This has been announced by ATO spokesman Serhiy Danylenko.

"The enemy used mortars, automatic grenade launchers, anti-aircraft mounts and small arms to launch intense attacks on positions of our troops in Luhansk region near Shchastia, Syze, Novotoshkivka, Stanytsia Luhanska, Krymske and Sokolniki," he said.

In Donetsk region, the enemy used mortars to fire on ATO forces near Avdiyivka, Pisky and Mayorske. In addition, Pisky village was shelled with tanks, artillery of 122 mm caliber, automatic grenade launchers and small arms.

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[vostok]

I have read that Ukrainian name of the city is Микола́їв, for which the transliteration is Mykolaiv, or officially, Mykolayiv. The Russian name is Никола́ев, which transliterates as Nikolaev or Nikolayev.

How it will become German Propaganda ?

The Third Reich, I gave as an example of the state, where it was the official propaganda of fascism (Nazism). Just as it is now in Ukraine. Ban communism, rewriting history, cleansing in officials and the military, killing dissenters.
We can only hope that the junta will fall before it build concentration camps and start to burning people in thousands.
Strictly speaking, in Ukraine is not Nazism and not fascism. In Ukraine - oligarchic junta using fascist paramilitary groups as the main force to suppress dissent.

 

[Hindustani78]

The Third Reich, I gave as an example of the state, where it was the official propaganda of fascism (Nazism). Just as it is now in Ukraine. Ban communism, rewriting history, cleansing in officials and the military, killing dissenters.
We can only hope that the junta will fall before it build concentration camps and start to burning people in thousands.
Strictly speaking, in Ukraine is not Nazism and not fascism. In Ukraine - oligarchic junta using fascist paramilitary groups as the main force to suppress dissent.

I just dont understand one thing. When USSR was disintergrated , Why that time Russian Federation agreed on Independent Ukraine state and now why its termed as Nazism or Fascism , if they are defending thier soveriginty ?

 

[vostok]

I just dont understand one thing. When USSR was disintergrated , Why that time Russian Federation agreed on Independent Ukraine state and now why its termed as Nazism or Fascism , if they are defending thier soveriginty ?

If the West does not accept Ukrainian coup, If the Nazis, who came to power just agreed to return the Russian status of state language - no one would have thought to separate from Ukraine.
That is, Russia should recognize the sovereignty of Ukraine, but Ukraine can not recognize the sovereignty of New Russia? This is a strange logic. If people do not want to live in a country where they burned alive for the pro-Russian sentiments (and after Odessa no one is punished) - it is their sacred right.
US separated from Britain, India separated from Britain. Lithuania seceded from the Soviet Union.
Kosovo separated from Serbia.
Novorossia separated from Ukraine - what's the problem?

 

[Hindustani78]

If the West does not accept Ukrainian coup, If the Nazis, who came to power just agreed to return the Russian status of state language - no one would have thought to separate from Ukraine.
That is, Russia should recognize the sovereignty of Ukraine, but Ukraine can not recognize the sovereignty of New Russia? This is a strange logic. If people do not want to live in a country where they burned alive for the pro-Russian sentiments (and after Odessa no one is punished) - it is their sacred right.
US separated from Britain, India separated from Britain. Lithuania seceded from the Soviet Union.
Kosovo separated from Serbia.
Novorossia separated from Ukraine - what's the problem?

During the USSR disintergration in the 90's. SSR Republics were seperated in which Russian Federation played the biggest role and all the SSR Republics agreed on peaceful co existence and respect of the Soveriginty of each other.

Russian Federation first left Eastern Germany which let the fall of Berlin wall in 1989 and then only other SSR Republics went for Independence. Republic of Lithuania was said to be the first to go for seperation from USSR but how come anyone can forget that first it was German SSR.

Case of Republic of India cant be taken in here because British never controlled the whole India.

 

[vostok]

During the USSR disintergration in the 90's. SSR Republics were seperated in which Russian Federation played the biggest role and all the SSR Republics agreed on peaceful co existence and respect of the Soveriginty of each other.

Russian Federation first left Eastern Germany which let the fall of Berlin wall in 1989 and then only other SSR Republics went for Independence. Republic of Lithuania was said to be the first to go for seperation from USSR but how come anyone can forget that first it was German SSR.

Case of Republic of India cant be taken in here because British never controlled the whole India.

At one time in the USSR existed Karelian-Finnish Soviet Republic. Then it became an autonomous republic. That is, if its status has not changed - it also would be now an independent state.
New Russia - the territory, which was incorporated into the Ukrainian Soviet Republic without the consent of its inhabitants in 1922 (instead of staying separated Odessa Soviet Republic and the Donetsk Soviet Republic). In 1953, also without the consent of local residents to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was annexed Crimea. Why? Because in the USSR there were no borders.
Now the population of New Russia wants to secede from Ukraine, because we do not want to be part of Europe or NATO - this is betrayal of our ancestry. If this is our will - no one has the right to challenge our right to self-determination.

 

[Hindustani78]

At one time in the USSR existed Karelian-Finnish Soviet Republic. Then it became an autonomous republic. That is, if its status has not changed - it also would be now an independent state.
New Russia - the territory, which was incorporated into the Ukrainian Soviet Republic without the consent of its inhabitants in 1922 (instead of staying separated Odessa Soviet Republic and the Donetsk Soviet Republic). In 1953, also without the consent of local residents to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was annexed Crimea. Why? Because in the USSR there were no borders.
Now the population of New Russia wants to secede from Ukraine, because we do not want to be part of Europe or NATO - this is betrayal of our ancestry. If this is our will - no one has the right to challenge our right to self-determination.

SSR Republics were having thier internal borders and i have read that even there were restriction on internal immigration placed. SSR Citizens from Far East were not allowed to come to the Western SSR etc but there were systematic transfer of Ethnic Russian in all the SSR Republics and thats why we see significant numbers of Russian Speakers in all the port cities or industrial hubs in all the Ex SSR Republics.

In reality it was Russian Federation which started the disintergration of USSR and hold talks with all the other SSR and made Ukraine SSR to give up Nuclear weapons in the name of Nuclear reduction treaty and by 1996 Independent Ukraine gave up its Nuclear warheads.

Ukraine was the most powerful of all the SSR Republics after Russian Federation and now even i am sad to see by which problems the Ukranian people are going through.

 

[vostok]

SSR Republics were having thier internal borders and i have read that even there were restriction on internal immigration placed. SSR Citizens from Far East were not allowed to come to the Western SSR etc but there were systematic transfer of Ethnic Russian in all the SSR Republics and thats why we see significant numbers of Russian Speakers in all the port cities or industrial hubs in all the Ex SSR Republics.

In reality it was Russian Federation which started the disintergration of USSR and hold talks with all the other SSR and made Ukraine SSR to give up Nuclear weapons in the name of Nuclear reduction treaty and by 1996 Independent Ukraine gave up its Nuclear warheads.

Ukraine was the most powerful of all the SSR Republics after Russian Federation and now even i am sad to see by which problems the Ukranian people are going through.

The USSR was the de-jure federation, de-facto - unitary state. There were no restrictions, people lived there, where they wanted to, because the standard of living differed slightly, salaries differed only by climatic zones (in south paid less in the Arctic - more, but prices were different too), rather than administrative boundaries.
If in 1922 won the unitarian project of Stalin, all Soviet republics would be autonomose territories within the RSFSR. But the Lenin's federation project won - that planted a bomb under the base of the state.
History has yet to assess the traitors - Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Yeltsin, Kravchuk and others.
In fact, Russia wanted to keep nuclear weapons in the former republics. This would exceed the limits of treaties and have additional arsenals, as the US has in France and Britain.

 

[Hindustani78]

The USSR was the de-jure federation, de-facto - unitary state. There were no restrictions, people lived there, where they wanted to, because the standard of living differed slightly, salaries differed only by climatic zones (in south paid less in the Arctic - more, but prices were different too), rather than administrative boundaries.
If in 1922 won the unitarian project of Stalin, all Soviet republics would be autonomose territories within the RSFSR. But the Lenin's federation project won - that planted a bomb under the base of the state.
History has yet to assess the traitors - Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Yeltsin, Kravchuk and others.
In fact, Russia wanted to keep nuclear weapons in the former republics. This would exceed the limits of treaties and have additional arsenals, as the US has in France and Britain.

Wasnt there restrictions placed on internal immigration and systemically citizens of other SSR mainly the Russian Speakers were settlements in all the SSR Republics mainly around the port cities, military industries, natural resources reserves etc?

Each Ex SSR use to have its own language and on this basis only different ethinicity were there but the main thing is this that When Ethinic Russian were settled in other Ex SSR Republics , they were not interested in learning the language of those EX SSR Republics but when those citizens of Ex SSR goes to Russian SSR, they need to give up thier language and adopt Russian language and still be called not Russian ?