Civil war in Ukraine: News & discussion

[Hindustani78]

According to the Minsk agreements
lol

Published on Apr 14, 2015

Russian journalist Andrei Lunev was severely injured when he stepped onto a trip-wire activated booby trap in Shyrokyne on Tuesday. The incident happened during a visit of the OSCE mission to the village, believed to be at the centre of Sunday's reported shelling.

The OSCE had time to post this snippet about something else of very little importance, but they did not find the time to post anything about Andrei Lunevs condition and how he got that way.

OSCE Special Monitoring Mission’s Deputy Chief Monitor to visit southeast Ukraine | OSCE

KYIV, 14 April 2015 – The Deputy Chief Monitor of the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) to Ukraine Alexander Hug will travel to southeast Ukraine today to encourage parties to further disengage in Shyrokyne and to work towards normalization and demilitarization in the town and surrounding areas.

He will also assess the humanitarian situation and conduct meetings with Joint Centre for Control and Coordination and other relevant interlocutors.

Hug will hold press conference today, 14 April 2015, at 18:00 (Kyiv time) at the conference room of the Reikartz Hotel in Mariupol.

OSCE is trying to keep things calm but its coming under attack

Apr. 8, 2015
OSCE observers have come under fire in east Ukraine near the city of Mariupol, from militants belonging to the so-called Donetsk People Republic. According to the rights organization's press office, the incident occurred on Tuesday north of the village of Shyrokyne, current controlled by insurgent forces.

In a report, the OSCE said: "As the SMM (Special Monitoring Mission) approached the checkpoint on foot, a patrol member immediately encountered warning shots of heavy machine gun fire to his right, and semi-automatic rifle fire to his left."

The observers were granted permission to travel east in the direction of Novoazovsk and a section of the Ukrainian-Russian border, after long negotiations with the militants.

The OSCE mission has been unable to confirm that there has been a complete withdrawal of heavy weapons from the demarcation line in the Donbas conflict zone.

The Ukrainian authorities regularly claim that the militants have attacked government-controlled positions on the front line with heavy weapons, which were supposed to have been pulled back under the Minsk peace accords which were signed in Februrary.

 

[munchkin]

People cant fight regular army nor they can drive tanks and use anti aircraft guns etc.

By the way April 8 2015 Article.

The Russian-backed militants in the Donbas now have almost 700 tanks and 1,100 armored combat vehicles, according to the report of deputy commander of the ATO Valentyn Fedichev from the information center of the Donetsk regional military and civil administration in Kramatorsk, Espreso.TV reports.

"[According to the Minsk agreements,] the 9,000 servicemen of the Russian regular armed forces must leave the occupied territories of Donetsk and Luhansk region, and all military equipment that has been illegally transferred by Russia to the territory of a sovereign state, and this is almost 700 tanks, more than 1,100 armored combat vehicles, nearly 600 artillery systems, more than 380 MLRS and 110 air defense systems, must be withdrawn," Fedichev said.

According to him, on April 7, 40 items of military equipment, including 10 tanks, arrived in Luhansk. On April 6, two companies of Russian troops arrived in the area of Debaltseve in Donetsk region.

Okay fine they are Russian soldiers. Russian soldiers invaded Ukraine. Russian soldiers kill Ukrainian civilians so they can have more land.

This is not a war, so there are no war crimes even if Russian soldiers do genocide on the people of Ukraine. This conflict would be a war if Ukraine declares it a war instead of an anti terror operation.

 

[Hindustani78]

Okay fine they are Russian soldiers. Russian soldiers invaded Ukraine. Russian soldiers kill Ukrainian civilians so they can have more land.

This is not a war, so there are no war crimes even if Russian soldiers do genocide on the people of Ukraine. This conflict would be a war if Ukraine declares it a war instead of an anti terror operation.

Ukraine 25 years ago was more powerful as it was having Nukes and that time Russian Federation would not even think about occupying an inche of Ukraine.

Russian Federation has used the Slavic card as well as the Orthodox card and this has drown the Ukrainians.

 

[munchkin]

Ukraine 25 years ago was more powerful as it was having Nukes and that time Russian Federation would not even think about occupying an inche of Ukraine.

Russian Federation has used the Slavic card as well as the Orthodox card and this has drown the Ukrainians.

Ukraine made a bad choice giving up its nukes. Now Russia invades Ukraine by the millions, slaughter Ukraine's people, taking Ukraine's land.

 

[Hindustani78]

Ukraine made a bad choice giving up its nukes. Now Russia invades Ukraine by the millions, slaughter Ukraine's people, taking Ukraine's land.

Ukraine and Baltic states thought that for them being Independent would be enough. Ukraine become target because of its space and military industry as it was like competitor to Russian arms industry.

Poland has adopted a good policy and even the geography helped Poland.

 

[munchkin]

Ukraine and Baltic states thought that for them being Independent would be enough. Ukraine become target because of its space and military industry as it was like competitor to Russian arms industry.

Poland has adopted a good policy and even the geography helped Poland.

It is likely Russians would slaughter every Ukrainian person and take all of Ukraine's land.

 

[Hindustani78]

It is likely Russians would slaughter every Ukrainian person and take all of Ukraine's land.

Russian Federation has already took Crimea and its influence is seen in Eastern Ukraine. Civilian casualities should be keep in mind.

 

[munchkin]

Russian Federation has already took Crimea and its influence is seen in Eastern Ukraine. Civilian casualities should be keep in mind.

The saying goes. When you have an opportunity, don't lose it. Russia will never let go of Ukraine now. It is possible every Ukrainian will be killed and Ukraine become settled by Russian people.

 

[Hindustani78]

The saying goes. When you have an opportunity, don't lose it. Russia will never let go of Ukraine now. It is possible every Ukrainian will be killed and Ukraine become settled by Russian people.

Ukraine is already moving towards NATO and i dont think that Russian Federation is in any position to wage full scale war and if it does then again it will be destruction of Europe similar like Second world war. Is President Putin willing to be like Stalin ? Ukrainians will fight for thier land.

 

[munchkin]

Ukraine is already moving towards NATO and i dont think that Russian Federation is in any position to wage full scale war and if it does then again it will be destruction of Europe similar like Second world war. Is President Putin willing to be like Stalin ? Ukrainians will fight for thier land.

NATO will never take Ukraine. Ukraine has disputed territory and NATO cannot take a country that has disputed territory. It is possible Russians will slaughter all Ukrainians and take their land. Ukraine has no weapons. Russia has high tech weapons like PAK-FA fighter jets, T-14 Armata tanks.

 

[Hindustani78]

NATO will never take Ukraine. Ukraine has disputed territory and NATO cannot take a country that has disputed territory. It is possible Russians will slaughter all Ukrainians and take their land. Ukraine has no weapons. Russia has high tech weapons like PAK-FA fighter jets, T-14 Armata tanks.

Ukraine is already moving towards and modernizing its military on par of NATO standards and even placing the fence.

Russians cant wage all out war because it can lose territories in Arctic and Far east .

 

[munchkin]

Ukraine is already moving towards and modernizing its military on par of NATO standards and even placing the fence.

Russians cant wage all out war because it can lose territories in Arctic and Far east .

Russia has nukes. No one dares to invade Russia. NATO cannot help Ukraine because NATO does not dare to fight Russia.

 

[Hindustani78]

Russia has nukes. No one dares to invade Russia. NATO cannot help Ukraine because NATO does not dare to fight Russia.

Russian Federation will not use nukes because the radition levels will effect Russians only. Nukes will be the last resort which will be used by any Nuclear power state.

 

[munchkin]

Russian Federation will not use nukes because the radition levels will effect Russians only. Nukes will be the last resort which will be used by any Nuclear power state.

Russia has nukes so no one would invade Russia. Russia invades Ukraine because Ukraine does not have nukes.

 

[Hindustani78]

Russia has nukes so no one would invade Russia. Russia invades Ukraine because Ukraine does not have nukes.

All wars will be conventional because using nukes means destruction. I do agree if Ukraine would have nukes , Russian Federation would have not annexed Crimea or directly involve in Eastern Ukraine.