Civil Nuclear Technology is our fundamental right | Pakistan.

[Truth Finder]

Like Right to Live on Grass.

 

[karan.1970]

Mian Saheb does not know the definition of Fundamental rights

 

[Bilal.]

@niaz, sir I know the complexities of acquiring civil nuclear technology that you mentioned. I was just answering the allegation that Pakistan has or will use spent fuel from civil reactors to reprocess plutonium, which is untrue. As for the other debate, we just need to build enough pressure to get NSG nod, we don't need US or European NPPs or reactors. China has already started manufacturing and installing multiple types of gen3 and gen3+ reactors(cap-1400/1700, ACPR-1000, etc) with full IP and export rights.

 

[OrionHunter]

You do know what IAEA safeguards are? Our civil reactors(chashnupp and kanupp) are under IAEA safeguard and not a single concern has been shown on them by the international community. Any new NPPs will also be under IAEA safeguards.

If that's correct, then I'll take my words back!

 

[Bilal.]

If that's correct, then I'll take my words back!

It is correct, all of Pakistans NPPs are under IAEA safeguard. Mind you, I said NPPs, Khushab is not a power plant. So any NPP built in the future will also be under IAEA safeguards just like all plants built in India under the civil nuclear deal will be safeguarded too.

 

[SBD-3]

I think we don't need co-operations like these. Rather PM should try to let KRL and PAEC to do JV with Netherland, France, Russia and China on Thorium based reactors that are 100% safe and are good environmentally as they eat up Nuclear Material even the diplatted Uranium too during the proccess.

And as if these countries (except may be China) will easily go ahead without US explicit or implicit consent? Nuclear cooperation with China is ongoing. However, Thorium based nuclear reactors are still mostly under research.

 

[SBD-3]

Mian Saheb does not know the definition of Fundamental rights

Indeed he doesn't. Because according to Indian English dictionary fundamental(ist)=Mudi ram Mudi

 

[karan.1970]

Indeed he doesn't. Because according to Indian English dictionary fundamental(ist)=Mudi ram Mudi

Indian English dictionary ?

what an irony though.. A Pakistani dude commenting on Fundamentalism

 

[SBD-3]

Indian English dictionary ?

what an irony though.. A Pakistani dude commenting on Fundamentalism

Yes because we are no way closer to fundamentalism as you guys are. For example, who'z using the avatar of a fundamentalism here?

 

[niaz]

@niaz, sir I know the complexities of acquiring civil nuclear technology that you mentioned. I was just answering the allegation that Pakistan has or will use spent fuel from civil reactors to reprocess plutonium, which is untrue. As for the other debate, we just need to build enough pressure to get NSG nod, we don't need US or European NPPs or reactors. China has already started manufacturing and installing multiple types of gen3 and gen3+ reactors(cap-1400/1700, ACPR-1000, etc) with full IP and export rights.

AAA: Pakistan had simultaneously adopted 2 routes for making the atomic bomb. One was the AQ Khan way that is running Uranium hexafluoride through dozens of centrifuges until the weapon grade enrichment is achieved.

Other being the fuel reprocessing route. I read in the international literature quite a while back that New Labs at PINSTECH is a fuel reprocessing plant where weapon grade Plutonium is produced. There were rumours that a second fuel reprocessing plant was being set up at Chashma.

Once you have a nuclear reprocessing facility, it is easy to use part of fuel from civil power reactors to extract Plutonium. This is the reason why some European countries expressed reservations about the US-India nuclear deal.

BBB: US leads in the so called advanced 3rd generation power reactors. These are small in size and cheap to construct.

One is an advanced boiling water reactor (ABWR) derived from a General Electric design which is already in service.

The other type, System 80+, is an advanced pressurised water reactor (PWR),though not yet adopted by any power company.

A more innovative US advanced reactor is the Westinghouse AP600 (AP = Advanced Passive) and the 1100 MW-class Westinghouse AP1000 designated as Generation 3+.

This design represents the culmination of a 1300 man-year and $440 million design and testing program and is capable of running on a full MOX (Mixed Oxide) core. A recent improved version version of AP1000 design has lowered the capital cost of nuclear power down to $1.2- million per MW (almost at par with the thermal plants) but with a 60 year life and enhanced safety features.

China is progressing fast but still a long way behind US & Europe. Actually Westinghouse is supposed to be the contractor for some of the Chinese latest nuclear power plants.

That is why Nawaz Sharif is lobbying for civil nuclear technology in the US.

 

[Bilal.]

@niaz, sir again you are right about the second route of plutonium based weapons that Pakistan has taken. But using spent fuel from civil reactor is not a concern anymore, since, from the 90s Pakistan started building dedicated unsafe guarded plutonium production reactors in Khushab.

Now we have 4 of them enough to provide fissile material for all mandated nuclear warhead requirement. The civil reactors on the other hand are under IAEA safeguard with complete fuel inventory accounted for and without a single incident of any international agency accusing us otherwise.

As for Chinese Gen3/Gen3+ reactors. They were developed as result of complete technology transfer of the above reactors you mentioned, I.e., Westinghouse ap-1000 which was used to develop cap-1000 and then further develop cap-1400 and cap-1700 for which China holds complete IP and export rights. Similarly, ACPR-1000 was developed as a result of technology received and further developed from Avera.

The reason why Pakistan is lobbying is to get a nod from the NSG because after recently becoming a member it would be difficult for China to provide more reactors to us without NSG exception similar to the one done for India.

 

[deckingraj]

@niaz, sir I know the complexities of acquiring civil nuclear technology that you mentioned. I was just answering the allegation that Pakistan has or will use spent fuel from civil reactors to reprocess plutonium, which is untrue. As for the other debate, we just need to build enough pressure to get NSG nod, we don't need US or European NPPs or reactors. China has already started manufacturing and installing multiple types of gen3 and gen3+ reactors(cap-1400/1700, ACPR-1000, etc) with full IP and export rights.

If you already have that kind of fissile material which will knock off 300-400 countries may i ask why are you still actively and aggressively increasing the stock-piles?? Now don't tell me you want to knock out MARS as well....

secondly you have to earn things as nobody has the fundamental right to beg....You got to put something on the table for which world is going to share things with you....May i know what is that "something" your PM is proposing?? If there is nothing then i am sorry it is all rhetoric...

 

[cloud_9]

@niaz, sir again you are right about the second route of plutonium based weapons that Pakistan has taken. But using spent fuel from civil reactor is not a concern anymore, since, from the 90s Pakistan started building dedicated unsafe guarded plutonium production reactors in Khushab.

Now we have 4 of them enough to provide feasible material for all mandated nuclear warhead requirement. The civil reactors on the other hand are under IAEA safeguard with complete fuel inventory accounted for and without a single incident of any international agency accusing us otherwise.

As for Chinese Gen3/Gen3+ reactors. They were developed as result of complete technology transfer of the above reactors you mentioned, I.e., Westinghouse ap-1000 which was used to develop cap-1000 and then further develop cap-1400 and cap-1700 for which China holds complete IP and export rights. Similarly, ACPR-1000 was developed as a result of technology received and further developed from Avera.

The reason why Pakistan is lobbying is to get a nod from the NSG because after recently becoming a member it would be difficult for China to provide more reactors to us without NSG exception similar to the one done for India.

Pakistan isn't getting the NSG waivers any time soon.Firstly your lobby and PR's office in the west is weak (or non existent). Secondly most of the time Pakistani and western interest tend to clash with each other.Thirdly economy is in dumps and there is nothing to gain from the Pakistani market at the moment.

 

[Bilal.]

@deckingraj, I think there is a bit of a communication gap, let me explain, I did not say we have enough fissile material for all our future needs but we have enough production capacity in the 4 Khushab reactors that we do not need to divert spent fuel from civil reactors, plus, the civil reactors are under IAEA safeguard too.

The rest, let's wait and see, with the backing from China and facilitation of US in withdrawal we might negotiate a nod from NSG.

Mind you, we(Pakistan and China) have an option to cite the nuclear cooperation deal signed prior to China joining NSG as a framework to proceed anyway, in fact, that is exactly what we did to build chashnupp 3 and 4, NSG or no NSG

 

[niaz]

@deckingraj, I think there is a bit of a communication gap, let me explain, I did not say we have enough feasile material for all our future needs but we have enough production capacity in the 4 Khushab reactors that we do not need to divert spent fuel from civil reactors, plus, the civil reactors are under IAEA safeguard too.

The rest, let's wait and see, with the backing from China and facilitation of US in withdrawal we might negotiate a nod from NSG.

Mind you, we(Pakistan and China) have an option to cite the nuclear cooperation deal signed prior to China joining NSG as a framework to proceed anyway, in fact, that is exactly what we did to build chashnupp 3 and 4, NSG or no NSG

Going against the commonly held view in the West that Nuclear Power is dangerous and to be avoided, especially after the Fukushima Nuclear plant disaster in March 2011; I am strong supporter of nuclear power plants.

Everyone must have heard of the recent scheme of setting up about 6,000 MW coal based power plants at Gadani. A typical coal based power plant of say 500MW will release roughly 3-million tons of CO2 per year. Additionally it will release about 6,000 tons of SO2 & about 2,500 tons on Nitrogen Oxides each year. This with all the scrubbers and pollution control devices installed! Only Allah knows how much pollution these coal fired power plants will cause in Pakistan.

Nuclear plants release none of the above gasses into the atmosphere. Instead you have to dig a very deep hole in the ground for burying the radioactive waste.

Gas/ furnace oil fired power plant will cost between $0.8 – 1.0-million per MW with a 40 year life and a state of the art pulverized coal fired power plant costs about $1.5-million - $2-million per MW. Therefore modern Nuclear plant at $1.2-million per MW and 60 year plant life is great.

In my humble opinion; Nuclear Power is the “Greenest” form of energy. Sooner Pakistan can build 3rd generation nuclear power plants, the better.