CITIZENSHIP OF THE TURKIC WORLD

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

It wasn't a 'claim', it's what I see from Central Asian countries, I think many others also see it. It doesn't require huge amount of data to understand that the impact of 70 years of Communism rule in those countries still heavily exists today. So it's nothing that requires a data to say that CA countries are still leaning towards Russia (whether they want it or not) and also China, as it was expected, thanks to geographical proximity.

Here comes the typical inevitable dodge.

Could you(mullahs) once in your life in this section come with data or info before going into a debate with cheap words?

 

[Serpentine]

Here comes the typical inevitable dodge.

Could you(mullahs) once in your life in this section come with data or info before going into a debate with cheap words?

If you don't like it, ignore it, since you can't basically comprehend what's the difference between something that requires 'data' to prove and personal observations of a person.

This article may help you overcome some of your difficulties:

The Next Stage of Russia's Resurgence: Central Asia

 

[xenon54 out]

Well, my mother is Turkish, so I probably don't qualify? Just trash then? Who made up a law of what is a Turk and what isn't? Rmi5 is born in Azerbaijan, the republic. I don't see how he's faking his identity, or why he would fake it. It's quite silly for me to even try to argue, as there are many MHP'ers in here, who'd tell you that there are 400 million Turks in the world. Little do they know that many Central Asian Turkic nations have hostilities amongs themselves, and they are the real deal Turks. And may I ask, what kind of special place do Azeris have? Genuinely curious. Why do they differ from a Kazakh? Is it that the language is more similar?

Do you even know rmi5? He changed his identity at least 3 times in the last 2 years, i dont believe him.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

If you don't like it, ignore it, since you can't basically comprehend what's the difference between something that requires 'data' to prove and personal observations of a person.

This article may help you overcome some of your difficulties:

The Next Stage of Russia's Resurgence: Central Asia

..still dodging with cheap attempt to rationalize... thanks to Google to find a link in seconds to get away from humiliation.

 

[Serpentine]

..still dodging with cheap attempt to rationalize... thanks to Google to find a link in seconds to get away from humiliation.

I like how you always try to pretend you have won an argument purely by acting rude, now mixed with some comprehension problems. You can go pick your prize now.
As I said, there is an ignore feature in this forum, you can always use it. Haven't you noticed why I refuse to quote one single post of yours for months? Exactly for this reason, you act rude and then jump up and down as a winner, which is like attitude of a 4 year old.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

I like how you always try to pretend you have won an argument purely by acting rude, now mixed with some comprehension problems. You can go pick your prize now.
As I said, there is an ignore feature in this forum, you can always use it. Haven't you noticed why I refuse to quote one single post of yours for months? Exactly for this reason, you act rude and then jump up and down as a winner, which is like attitude of a 4 year old.

..spare me for your drama queen words; If you are not what you think to be, then the inevitable result will knock your door again over again in any debate in this section.

I hope the mods will delete your cheap drama queen acts and cheap words along with my time wasting posts to you.

 

[Serpentine]

..spare me for your drama queen words; If you are not what you think to be, then the inevitable result will knock your door again over again in any debate in this section.

I hope the mods will delete your cheap drama queen acts and cheap words along with my time wasting posts to you.

Next time, before embarrassing yourself again, think of what you want to say, and I'm the one who should ask not to waste my time again, since you quoted me.

 

[rmi5]

man compleate bullshit from brevik islam hater..

my iranian friend with arab roots ..Turkey turks lack even in seeing the turkmen of irak as their own.. that is the real history behind that.. if you ask some Turkey Turks then you would get sometimes the answer they are not turkish.. yes they are not turkish but turkic..

You have just thrown insults and accusations about me. The other day, an arab guy told me that I hate arabs, now you tell me that I am an arab. Another day, a member called me an indian, then an indian member came in and said he is a Pakistani. LOL, this forum is hilarious, indeed. But, I suggest you to be a grown up and act grown up.
My point was exactly that you don't consider an Iraqi turkmen as much close to yourself to forget about your interests; Hence you easily sold them out. Your second sentence has almost the same meaning as what I meant. Why is that? I say that it's because of the fact that islamism in your country is too strong to let you decide about your national interests based on everything except islamism and your short term financial interests.

You're an engineer, I just read that in an old post about rebuilding Iraq (stadiums/HVAC). I didn't expect such a comment from you. Quite childish for an engineer that's just about to get married. Guess what, Azeris are two things: they are Turkic, so they don't have a reason to hate Turkey, but they're also Shia. Be it through fear of Sunnis or indoctrination, they view Sunnis sceptically. Erdogan hating on Aleviler and calling for the Ummah etc, doesn't help either. Shias have always been the dogs of the muslim world, always been the poorest and always have been persecuted. So when Sunnni supremacy rears it's ugly head, people get frightened. 'Turkic brethren' stops when it becomes sunni vs shia. No need to be a 'fars' for that.

He is not grown up, just let it go.
About the islamism part though, you are exactly right. Erdogan is living in a bubble dream world. The bubble of his imaginary New-Ottoman empire is burst a long time ago, but he still tries to remain a wannabe sultan.

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

All Hail Lord @rmi5 the Genius has Arrived!

 

[rmi5]

Well, my mother is Turkish, so I probably don't qualify? Just trash then? Who made up a law of what is a Turk and what isn't? Rmi5 is born in Azerbaijan, the republic. I don't see how he's faking his identity, or why he would fake it. It's quite silly for me to even try to argue, as there are many MHP'ers in here, who'd tell you that there are 400 million Turks in the world. Little do they know that many Central Asian Turkic nations have hostilities amongs themselves, and they are the real deal Turks. And may I ask, what kind of special place do Azeris have? Genuinely curious. Why do they differ from a Kazakh? Is it that the language is more similar?

You know what is it all about? talk is cheap, so they always chant azeris are our brethren, and Turkics are our brethren, but when it comes to doing actions, they sell out Iraqi Turkmens(who are basically Azerbaijani if you notice their language) to Kurds and ISIS arabs. Talk is very cheap, indeed. Action is what matters. Basically my fight with some braindeads in Turkish section started after two incidents, one was about Iraqi turkmen, and then a couple of weeks after that about a news of selling out Azerbaijan republic to Russians by that Russian Turkish gas pipeline which hopefully Russians backed off and the project will most probably be canceled.
PS. I was not born in Azerbaijan neither in Iran, but I have been in both countries for multiple times(specially in Iran for about more than 10 years combined).
Anyway, the discussion goes nowhere. I know Turkish members very well. They already know what the truth is, but some of them get mad when a person directly tells them the truth, and they go to trolling mode. I hope those specific members grow balls and have the courage to openly accept what the truth is.

All Hail Lord @rmi5 the Genius has Arrived!

You are still mad that I made you to get banned from Iranian Chill Thread after I exposed that you are false flagging and you went on trolling mode. Haha ... Don't be such a loser. You trolled me and you fairly got thread banned. No need to drag your troll fight to other threads. This forum does not worth as much as what you think

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Anyway, this thread goes nowhere. It's a nice topic for intellectual discussions, but in reality, the big guys out there in their mansion in Ankara, have other more important priorities.

 

[IR-TR]

Do you even know rmi5? He changed his identity at least 3 times in the last 2 years, i dont believe him.

Can't say I do, I've chatted with him a few times and that's it. I've only been here a month or two.

Anyway, on topic again. I think a Pan-Turkic region, if kept to economical cooperation is a wonderful thing. Why shouldn't countries who have ANY ties with each other want to cooperate? Be it linguistic, historical or racial. As I said, Turkic nations can sell Turkey a lot of gas and oil (which they have in abundance). They can also, if Turkey is managed well economically, send in lots of workers to help Turkey keep growing, and they can adapt into societ quite easily. Heck I even joked about this with friends: why not fill guneydogu with a couple million Uzbeks
But when the conversation turns into "we need to FREE our brethren" etc, meaning you're promoting instability and secessionism, I just feel the urge to get a knife and kill the first Turk I can find. As Turks, we hate secessionism at home, but want to profess it abroad? How is that fair? So that's the only problem I have with pan-turkism. Otherwise, go for it. Whether it's practical or not, I don't think so. I mean why would Turkmenistan or Kazakhstan give us very cheap gas when China or Europe would pay a lot more for it? It's nice that some tribe went to anatolia a million years ago, but we're talking billions of dollars here (<--- That's the logic of leaders of nations that need to grow economies).

 

[Ahiska]

Sadly the Turkic countries are to divided.
Azeris and Turks are comically much different then the Central Asian ones. (Eventough Türkmens are also Oghuz)
And Kyrgiz and others hate Uzbeks while Tatars/Nogais/Bashkirs and Chuvash dont care about many aspects.

Also for some reason many Turkish Turanists are under 15 and classify everyone as Türk............
But the funny quotes are the best thing about them like for example:
"Ottomans ruled the world"
"Zionists and the west destroyed the empire"
"Only muslims can be Turks"

 

[RealNapster]

CITIZENSHIP OF THE TURKIC WORLD PROJECT/TÜRK DÜNYASI VATANDAŞLIĞI PROJESİ | Directory of Open Access Journals

This is an academic study/project initated by Erzurum university of Atatürk in Turkey, so far the last meeting was held in Kırgızistan with the participations of 80 academicians from 8 countries.

The day i get a Green Passport. The first country which i will travel is Turkey..

 

[IR-TR]

Sadly the Turkic countries are to divided.
Azeris and Turks are comically much different then the Central Asian ones. (Eventough Türkmens are also Oghuz)
And Kyrgiz and others hate Uzbeks while Tatars/Nogais/Bashkirs and Chuvash dont care about many aspects.

Also for some reason many Turkish Turanists are under 15 and classify everyone as Türk............
But the funny quotes are the best thing about them like for example:
"Ottomans ruled the world"
"Zionists and the west destroyed the empire"
"Only muslims can be Turks"

You lucky bastard Turkmen. All the gas in the world and only 5 million people to divide it with. Let's just hope you don't become a second Saudi Arabia (all the money in the world, but only spending it on terrorism). Help your less resource-endowed Central Asian neighbours with that money, especially Uzbekistan. I see that country becoming a powder keg for instability in the region sadly.

 

[asena_great]

Turks in Turkey genetically have very little or nothing to do with the OG Turks (Oghuz or original gangster, whichever you like). It's a mix of whites (European and caucasus), middle eastern and kurd/iranian. Anatolia has always been inhabited, it didn't start when the Turkish tribes came over. It was part of many empires during history, the lastest of which was the East Roman empire, before the Ottomans. Genetically you could say it's a mixture of pretty much anything. Racially, mostly white and mediterranean look.

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