CIA declassified documents Air War 1971 - PAF v IAF

[Zabidi12]

Performance of Pakistan airforce in 1971? Worst. Around 94k troops surrendered during 1971 and because they didn't trust their own government, there airforce and navy too due to there poor performance in war. Most of the time Pakistan was ruled by army unlike India and the army always tried to make themselves strong so Pakistan also invested in fighter plans and navy too much. They had modern equipment of that time for all the three branches of the army. But the machine didn't fight. It needs man skill and bravery and Pakistan army lacking of that. Despite of all modern aircraft 94k solder surrendered !

The figure of 94000 troops is incorrect. There were around that many POWs, more then half of them were civilians working in different departments and factories. Actual number of combatant troops were only around 34,000. https://www.globalvillagespace.com/93000-pakistani-soldiers-did-not-surrender-in-1971-because/

 

[PradoTLC]

Only 3 F.6 aircraft were lost.
One shot down by AAA which Flt.Lt Shahid KIA.
Another shot down by Su.7 Fitter in a pot shot,the pilot a Flt.LT ejected over home base.
Last one was a fratricide in which Wing Commander Saad Hatmi accidentally shot down his wingman in poor light using a sidewinder,he was KIA.

This info can be cross checked with A/C Kaiser Tufail's book on 1971 air war.
Also 11 sabres of 14 squadron were left behind in Dhaka after damaging their circuits and all.




Don't think it did much in changing the course of war,atleast from the naval perspective. Rather the Indian Osa gunboats changed the course of war.

figures tend to vary .. this just to show
A declassified report of what the Americans taught what happened.


Either way you look at it PAF did well

Performance of Pakistan airforce in 1971? Worst. Around 94k troops surrendered during 1971 and because they didn't trust their own government, there airforce and navy too due to there poor performance in war. Most of the time Pakistan was ruled by army unlike India and the army always tried to make themselves strong so Pakistan also invested in fighter plans and navy too much. They had modern equipment of that time for all the three branches of the army. But the machine didn't fight. It needs man skill and bravery and Pakistan army lacking of that. Despite of all modern aircraft 94k solder surrendered !

What a poorly researched post....

Look away child, this is actually embarrassing that a smaller AF mauled the numerical superior AF. The smaller force was way away from his home. You can enjoy the 5000 sq kM that you got

It was mainly empty desert

 

[Jackdaws]

..........sikhism has been barely around for 500 years there is NO WAY it could have ruled ANYONE for 4000 years...................get your facts right.........



So you admit you have NO EVIDENCE.....................

Lol. I clearly states Hindus and Sikhs.
Of course, evidence has been posted on numerous threads. And even you know it's true. But it's ok. Make a list of what you think you won and console yourself...

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Lol. I clearly states Hindus and Sikhs.
Of course, evidence has been posted on numerous threads. And even you know it's true. But it's ok. Make a list of what you think you won and console yourself...

What evidence and where has it been posted? If what you say is true then remember to post the links here. I ONLY care about the TRUTH, nothing more. I do not care about indian FAKE NEWS and propaganda. indians only claim as true whatever fits their beliefs. indians CANNOT separate fact from fiction.

 

[ali_raza]

biggest loss we did in1971 aftar of course fall of decca was loss of kargil
when that swine bhutto was negotiating prisoners release which btw wasnt much of a issue cos india had to release them sooner or later
he didn’t annoy india to return our 859 sq miles territory of kargil drass
now india could only go upto siachin because of that crucial route we now know NH1
bur we gained something which was chamb village
when the time will come this small area will inshallah cripple the indian army in kashmir god willing

 

[Jackdaws]

What evidence and where has it been posted? If what you say is true then remember to post the links here. I ONLY care about the TRUTH, nothing more. I do not care about indian FAKE NEWS and propaganda. indians only claim as true whatever fits their beliefs. indians CANNOT separate fact from fiction.

No, you don't. You only care about your myths. You dismiss BBC as Jewish. Pak links are Indian agents. American links are Indian allies. So don't waste your time and mine. Google if you care about the truth.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

No, you don't. You only care about your myths. You dismiss BBC as Jewish. Pak links are Indian agents. American links are Indian allies. So don't waste your time and mine. Google if you care about the truth.

The above are just excuses for your inability to provide ANY CREDIBLE and authentic proof OR evidence for ANY of the claims you make.

 

[PradoTLC]

isnt this biased and rigged against india, total fake newj as CIA was on Pakistan's side?

i dont think so. This was a declassifed report of YE 1999 for it;s internal consumption. CIA doesnt self decieve. besides read the report it is very technical i did put link to the entire report. alot of issues of the IAF which we know of is detailed there. Overall very interesting report i am still going through it.



PS: US and Pakistan during 1999 had poor relations.

You dismiss BBC as Jewish.

oh wait.. didt Arnab G. also dismissed BBC?...

 

[Jackdaws]

i dont think so. This was a declassifed report of YE 1999 for it;s internal consumption. CIA doesnt self decieve. besides read the report it is very technical i did put link to the entire report. alot of issues of the IAF which we know of is detailed there. Overall very interesting report i am still going through it.



PS: US and Pakistan during 1999 had poor relations.




oh wait.. didt Arnab G. also dismissed BBC?...

Arnab G is not a journalist. But I am glad Arnab G lovers dismiss the BBC....it suits them...

The above are just excuses for your inability to provide ANY CREDIBLE and authentic proof OR evidence for ANY of the claims you make.

No, just facts.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Arnab G is not a journalist. But I am glad Arnab G lovers dismiss the BBC....it suits them...


No, just facts.

You keep repeating that they are facts. That does not make them true or indeed, "facts" in itself. Yet on every occasion you fail to produce ANY credible, genuine or authentic evidence or proof. Which indicates they are all made up stories and fairy tales.

 

[Path-Finder]

i dont think so. This was a declassifed report of YE 1999 for it;s internal consumption. CIA doesnt self decieve. besides read the report it is very technical i did put link to the entire report. alot of issues of the IAF which we know of is detailed there. Overall very interesting report i am still going through it.



PS: US and Pakistan during 1999 had poor relations.

my post was merely sarcasm.

 

[KAI KAI Baloch]

Performance of Pakistan airforce in 1971? Worst. Around 94k troops surrendered during 1971 and because they didn't trust their own government, there airforce and navy too due to there poor performance in war. Most of the time Pakistan was ruled by army unlike India and the army always tried to make themselves strong so Pakistan also invested in fighter plans and navy too much. They had modern equipment of that time for all the three branches of the army. But the machine didn't fight. It needs man skill and bravery and Pakistan army lacking of that. Despite of all modern aircraft 94k solder surrendered !

well this shows how the facts of war have been twisted in India...
Firstly there was only one corps in East Pakistan.
A corps has 3 divisions (14-9-16) Division, A division has 3 brigades each, and each brigade has 3 units.... you can have 1 or 2 more units depending on the structure...
A unit has 800-1000 soldiers... lets take 800 as a sample size, 27 units were in East Pakistan during equals to 21,600 Soldiers....
Lets say we had support units and make it a round 30,000...
now a question to you buddy how did you come up with 94000 troops???
the problem is that you added all civil forces and families as troops...

now come to airforce, there was only 1 sqd (Tail choppers) that too of f86 sabers... and by the way at that time the US had sanctioned Pakistan?
by which way was PAF tech superior....

Thirdly India cries every day after mujhahedeen attack, and blames on Pakistan, what about india supporting mukti bahini???


There was no indian bravery, IA had unprecedented numerical superiority.... if the bravery was so much then why didnt you capture West Pakistan......

 

[Wrath]

Problem was in 71 we were a divided nation. Two traitors caused a loss of a nation. Bhutto and mujeeb. Both died at the hands of their own troops. Today we are nit a divided nation and things are very different. But even today Pakistans biggest enemy is not indian forces but politicians industrialists and molvis

You are forgetting About Yahya and Bhutto indeed had it's role. But if you think Mujeeb was traitor, you need to read about 71.

 

[Trango Towers]

You are forgetting About Yahya and Bhutto indeed had it's role. But if you think Mujeeb was traitor, you need to read about 71.

No bro...both bhutto and mujeeb were traitors.

 

[ChennaiDude]

The report on which this thread is based.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjACegQIBhAM&usg=AOvVaw0VB0CDvUHaHXqsTvOFVdKh

Its still fake on PDF-(Sarcasm)

You dismiss BBC as Jewish. Pak links are Indian agents. American links are Indian allies. So don't waste your time and mine. Google if you care about the truth.

Great line- I am going to save this so I dont have to waste my time to respond to the guy who only talks about links and wieners- (You dismiss BBC as Jewish. Pak links are Indian agents. American links are Indian allies. So don't waste your time and mine. Google if you care about the truth).