Church head nullifies move to remove Kottayam bishop

[Joe Shearer]

More often than not, yes, I agree.

Please be extremely careful. You will be as dismayed as I to find that we are in agreement.

 

[Nair saab]

Limited Space ??? When Churches is the biggest Holder of Agricultural land in India ... Your argument is flawed from the start... The Churches keep the burial ground short to systematically blackmail its followers in this case Death is used to blackmail its followers...


U cant defend the indefensible the Churches of India function as a Co-operate house which controls the life of each christian ... blackmail them into whom should they marry should u divorce whom should they vote for practice morality that church think is right...

And we have severe cases like supporting Child molesters, Supporting anti-National activities like Kundamkulam Anti-Nuke agitation, Going against fellow Indian christian in Italian marine case, Politically backing Planters destroying Forest Land... fooling tribals into conversion ... and biggest and worst of all using life saving medical profession and education institution as tool of conversion and blackmailing ... Just a few to start with

How much this venomous tentacles of Churches are deep rooted in the country... Church keeps a Christian slave for his life ... This is their way of soul reaping. ..

MR. @Joe Shearer Your negative rating wont deter me from saying the truth ... Truth is that Christian Churches wants their followers to be Zombies who are programmed by the church ...u cant see it cause u are no different from them full of religious extremism inside which is hidden by a mask of Atheism ...

Your deep knowledge of everything related to Anti-Hindu may earn respect from many here...BUT your ideology of Left Extremism is Dying or already dead... Hindus has awakened, neither you nor churches or your comrades can stop it... while u can seek comfort in a Pakistani Defence forum as a Professional of god knows what ... But the country has moved on the tolerance of tolerating is over...

Can you cite the figures relating to Church holding and to contrasting Temple holdings and Waqf holdings? On what basis are you making these claims? Unfortunately, like @danger007 himself, the facts you are using are incorrect.



Your outlook is truly primitive. As if birth, marriage and death is not constrained by personal law in every religion.



I think your posts speak for themselves. These are rants, not logical arguments.



At times? If I were to say at all times, would you demur?

Yes offcorse you Anti-Hindu can tolerate a Christian Extremist ... as your no different from him...

I am a Hindu and my life death and marriage are not realted to my temples But my religion ...and not by the temple priest ... unlike the ensalved ones we see here...

You can see no logic in my post cause what even issue which i have said above is a matter of politics for u ... since you hide all your religious prejudice under the mask of Atheism ... while I am not a Temple going zombie ...

 

[T90TankGuy]

These guys dragging me in religious threads.. sometimes even if i see such thread.. I avoid involving such cases... but just dig how many threads opened by these guys.. I remember a case .... one of these opened a thread on Churcg father raping kid.. of course it is pathetic to do being priest ... but the very same day ... there is another article temple priest raping another.. when i pointed that article.. these guys saying am defending .... but in fact my point is there are morons on every side... why being selective... In this thread someone posted Jesus pic.. i pointed on another not to defend that jesus pic but to point .... There are blind followers on both sides... instead of understanding it .. started calling blah blah.. I don't like religious topics.. I told this guy before don't quote again he did...

My question to you is why do you bother? most criticising here do not know much about religion to begin with . its man who is flawed not religion.
you could just ignore them like i do , i do not have time to waste with these bigots . If they ever meet you in real life you can be sure they will not be able to say what they are, to your face , here behind anonymous profiles they try to become warriors.
So from one christian to another let it be . its surprising that 2.3 % of us cause so much heartburn to so many . Learn to IGNORE mate.

 

[Joe Shearer]

MR. @Joe Shearer Your negative rating wont deter me from saying the truth ... Truth is that Christian Churches wants their followers to be Zombies who are programmed by the church ...u cant see it cause u are no different from them full of religious extremism inside which is hidden by a mask of Atheism ...

Yes, that is quite true, especially of the (formerly) established churches. What your pygmy intellect does not grasp is that these same churches are filled with people who are seeking to bring about change in their religious practices and their interaction with society - traits that also belong to other religions, such as Islam and to Hinduism, but traits at which the limited minds of such as you recoil, with horror, at being presented the unfamiliar.

Your deep knowledge of everything related to Anti-Hindu may earn respect from many here...

You have, as usual, only half the picture. My deep knowledge extends equally to the Pro-Hindu. And that earns respect too. A respect that you can never aspire to.

BUT your ideology of Left Extremism is Dying or already dead...

As I have pointed out enough times that I am opposed to Marxism and Communism, specifically because they are such blatant advocates of violence, the only reason for your pretending that I am a left extremist can be to curry favour with those fellow-travellers whose quick and ready tempers are available at the service of anybody and everybody who hunts Communists down and accuses them. Kind of a modern-day Gagool, and as ugly and repulsive as that hag.

Hindus has awakened,

No thanks to you. In fact, in spite of you, considering the slavish subjugation to your religious overlords that you exhibited, the guardians of the Hindu that had NOT woken.

neither you nor churches or your comrades can stop it...

I have neither the churches nor the comrades with me, and don't need the support of claques, as you do, so I need to assert nothing false about you to make my points. I depend on logic, unlike you.

while u can seek comfort in a Pakistani Defence forum as a Professional of god knows what ...

I have that comfort. What do you have? You hide like a social misfit from all but social threads and from posts that bring you an opportunity to breathe your poison against minorities, against ethnically different people, against dissent, against everything that threatens your comfortable existence. What do you even have to do with a Defence Forum?

But the country has moved on the tolerance of tolerating is over...

It clearly hasn't. We still have the intellectually challenged, the bigoted, the socially maladjusted in our midst, snarling and mowing at every attempt to bring you back to the human race.

Yes offcorse you Anti-Hindu can tolerate a Christian Extremist ... as your no different from him...

Not only I, but the whole forum can see how you keep crawling inside your carapace of slander and libel, of accusing me of affiliations to which you know I do not belong, merely in order to extricate yourself from a situation where you are boiling with hate, but simply don't know what to say or to do next.

I am a Hindu and my life death and marriage are not realted to my temples... But my religion and not by the temple priest ... unlike the ensalved ones we see here...

How sad that you cannot complete a single analogy without tripping over yourself.

First, you are, even as a Hindu, dependent on your priest and on his explication of your religion; there is nothing secular about Hinduism. So your proposition about what your faith is related to is as false as those whom you criticise.

Second, every Christian is entitled to celebrate birth, marriage and death outside any physical structure, and face to face only with other believers. Your canard about their requiring their physical temple is as stupid as it is ignorant, a combination that you have made uniquely yours.

You can see no logic in my post cause what even issue which i have said above is a matter of politics for u ... since you hide all your religious prejudice under the mask of Atheism ... while I am not a Temple going zombie ...

I wholly agree with you at least on this point, that you are not a temple-going zombie. Temple going has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

MR. @Joe Shearer Your negative rating wont deter me from saying the truth ... Truth is that Christian Churches wants their followers to be Zombies who are programmed by the church ...u cant see it cause u are no different from them full of religious extremism inside which is hidden by a mask of Atheism ...

Your deep knowledge of everything related to Anti-Hindu may earn respect from many here...BUT your ideology of Left Extremism is Dying or already dead... Hindus has awakened, neither you nor churches or your comrades can stop it... while u can seek comfort in a Pakistani Defence forum as a Professional of god knows what ... But the country has moved on the tolerance of tolerating is over...


Yes offcorse you Anti-Hindu can tolerate a Christian Extremist ... as your no different from him...

I am a Hindu and my life death and marriage are not realted to my temples But my religion ...and not by the temple priest ... unlike the ensalved ones we see here...

You can see no logic in my post cause what even issue which i have said above is a matter of politics for u ... since you hide all your religious prejudice under the mask of Atheism ... while I am not a Temple going zombie ...

I asked you for facts, and, it hardly surprises me or anybody else, that you have nothing to offer, only empty words.

What does your ranting have to do with the simple question I asked? Nothing. But you had nothing else to put up, did you?

 

[Iggy]

Hindutva is a Hindu revival movement giving voice to politically and economically downtrodden Hindus ( Lower Castes and in somecase even High Caste) ... So when ever ur targeting Hindutva ur targeting Hindus...

Admit it ur a Anti-Hindu ... for you everything is in some or the other way fault of the Hindus and Hinduism... If I start posting out Stupid,Extremist and Dangerous things Practiced by Christians in India you would Hide in your Hole for a week or two...


Church owned ???

So even Death of a Christian is owned by a Church ... So the church and its administration would decide who would go to heaven and who would go to hell ... who is a Sinner... The entire life of a Christian revolves around the Church and his way to lead his life is dictated by the Church then you talk about freedom of religion in India and call Hindus extremist...

Actually the funeral is done on church owned lands.. And about entire life of Christians revolves around church is a ridiculous comment.. bible says not to drinking, eating pork and whoring..we do all that

Every Christian/Muslim is anti Hindu by default its in your faith to hate infidels and idolaters ,the success is how long you can hide that hatred under the Secularism ,In your case posts in various threads exposed your hatred towards Hinduism .I will not blame you for being Anti Hindu ,and you have every freedom to attack Hindu faith ,Hindu saints like Yogi Adithyanath or you can hurt Hindu sentiments in Beef issue ...

You are like a girl friend who wants to break up with her boyfriend but wanted to make sure that every body blames boyfriend for that

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Hindus has awakened, neither you nor churches or your comrades can stop

Unfortunately not true. There is a growing consciousness among the youth. People are reading about their faith, questioning practices, some are fighting the injustice done to them. Hindus of Karnataka are beginning to feel for the Hindus of Kashmir.

But still the majority are docile and ignorant. Not the vast majority anymore though. The justified pride is coming back and the colonial side effect of victimhood must slowly disappear.

But there is a long way to go. In UP the entire Hindu population was evicted of a village and the local BJP leadership could not prevent it. How many Hindu organizations have been successful either? Other than big sloganeering we have not seen much preventive action. It has improved from before. Now at least the awareness is there. Hopefully we will be awakened soon...

Thing are looking positive but the challenges remain and awareness needs to percolate to each and everyone. The sense of brotherhood needs to increase to such levels so that even political differences are forgotten. Congress supporting Hindus in Assam for example may be out of their minds but still are Hindus. As are Indian Muslims.

Arise, awake and stop not till the goal is reached.

 

[Iggy]

are you calling fellow Christians for help ? then Iggy is a wrong person He will not defend you on this ,as an Orthodox church member he will be more happy to side with us on this issue

Dude!! .. What is the real problem here? All the churches including mine have the ridiculous law.. Most of the laws of religious organisations are narrow minded.. Heck just google thumpamon funeral issue.. They didnt allow to bury a guy bcoz even after he was an orthodox but belongs to another church.. I mentioned this earlier too.. I am a fan of my religion but not the ones who represent it..

 

[Nair saab]

Yes, that is quite true, especially of the (formerly) established churches. What your pygmy intellect does not grasp is that these same churches are filled with people who are seeking to bring about change in their religious practices and their interaction with society - traits that also belong to other religions, such as Islam and to Hinduism, but traits at which the limited minds of such as you recoil, with horror, at being presented the unfamiliar.



You have, as usual, only half the picture. My deep knowledge extends equally to the Pro-Hindu. And that earns respect too. A respect that you can never aspire to.



As I have pointed out enough times that I am opposed to Marxism and Communism, specifically because they are such blatant advocates of violence, the only reason for your pretending that I am a left extremist can be to curry favour with those fellow-travellers whose quick and ready tempers are available at the service of anybody and everybody who hunts Communists down and accuses them. Kind of a modern-day Gagool, and as ugly and repulsive as that hag.



No thanks to you. In fact, in spite of you, considering the slavish subjugation to your religious overlords that you exhibited, the guardians of the Hindu that had NOT woken.



I have neither the churches nor the comrades with me, and don't need the support of claques, as you do, so I need to assert nothing false about you to make my points. I depend on logic, unlike you.



I have that comfort. What do you have? You hide like a social misfit from all but social threads and from posts that bring you an opportunity to breathe your poison against minorities, against ethnically different people, against dissent, against everything that threatens your comfortable existence. What do you even have to do with a Defence Forum?



It clearly hasn't. We still have the intellectually challenged, the bigoted, the socially maladjusted in our midst, snarling and mowing at every attempt to bring you back to the human race.



Not only I, but the whole forum can see how you keep crawling inside your carapace of slander and libel, of accusing me of affiliations to which you know I do not belong, merely in order to extricate yourself from a situation where you are boiling with hate, but simply don't know what to say or to do next.



How sad that you cannot complete a single analogy without tripping over yourself.

First, you are, even as a Hindu, dependent on your priest and on his explication of your religion; there is nothing secular about Hinduism. So your proposition about what your faith is related to is as false as those whom you criticise.

Second, every Christian is entitled to celebrate birth, marriage and death outside any physical structure, and face to face only with other believers. Your canard about their requiring their physical temple is as stupid as it is ignorant, a combination that you have made uniquely yours.



I wholly agree with you at least on this point, that you are not a temple-going zombie. Temple going has nothing whatsoever to do with it.



I asked you for facts, and, it hardly surprises me or anybody else, that you have nothing to offer, only empty words.

What does your ranting have to do with the simple question I asked? Nothing. But you had nothing else to put up, did you?

Your glorified words may comfort others... But its not a reply to any of the facts which I have stated ... What happened to Sister Abahaya Case... why is Churches of Kerala protecting the Plantation owners who continue deforestation ... what business does the Church has with the North east Christian extremist movement ... Do or not Churches use educational and Health institution as tool of religious conversion... Has the Churches not used Marriage and death as weapon of revenge against the members who dont agree with the church ... has the church not spread pamphlets criticizing Hindu gods ... What is the churches doing in tribal regions of India ...


Is there no Christian Extremism in the world... The PDF certificate wont own me a JOB nor a Shiny new luxury car... You can have all the glory of been a PDF professional which sums up 0 value even online... There are more poster in this very forum who trash your credibility then the ones who respect you...well but I wont dig deep to get the facts on your tablet ... Your Anti-Hindu Stands are legendary here, theres no need of proof to prove it otherwise...

Unfortunately not true. There is a growing consciousness among the youth. People are reading about their faith, questioning practices, some are fighting the injustice done to them. Hindus of Karnataka are beginning to feel for the Hindus of Kashmir.

But still the majority are docile and ignorant. Not the vast majority anymore though. The justified pride is coming back and the colonial side effect of victomhood must slowly disappear.

But there is a long way to go. In UP the entire Hindu population was evicted of a village and the local BJP leadership could not prevent it. How many Hindu organizations have been successful either? Other than big sloganeering we have not seen much preventive action. It has improved from before. Now at least the awareness is there. Hopefully we will be awakened soon...

Thing are looking positive but the challenges remain and awareness needs to percolate to each and everyone. The sender of brotherhood needs to increase to such levels so that even political differences are forgotten. Congress supporting Hindus in Assam for example may be out of their minds but still are Hindus. As are Indian Muslims.

Arise, awake and stop not till the goal is reached.

Atleast we have reached a level where everyone is agreeing Hindu Pandits where removed from Kashmir... We have reached with this level with in a Span of Half a Decade...

all the signs are positive ...A Drop of blood shed by a Kashmiri Hindu would send down Blood boiling in Kerala, Bengal, UP, Manipur and Tamil nadu from Dalit to Bhoomihar from Jatt to Brahmin ... We have tasted the strength of Unity ... we will pass on this addiction to the ones around us... Hindu pride is on a rise brother not united by Temple or priest but by the need of survival ...

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Hindu pride is on a rise brother not united by Temple or priest but by the need of survival ...

True. In fact it is despite the priests. Many established priests have actually been against this Hindu of general Indian consolidation. It obviously reduced their power. Good riddance.

 

[danger007]

My question to you is why do you bother? most criticising here do not know much about religion to begin with . its man who is flawed not religion.
you could just ignore them like i do , i do not have time to waste with these bigots . If they ever meet you in real life you can be sure they will not be able to say what they are, to your face , here behind anonymous profiles they try to become warriors.
So from one christian to another let it be . its surprising that 2.3 % of us cause so much heartburn to so many . Learn to IGNORE mate.

these cult are dragging me needlessly to spew venom .. even though i told them not to drag me in such threads.. previously many members tagged me in threads related to Pak vs Ind.. now a days these very few dragging me in religious .. very well organised, same members tagging other bhakts, but whenever i tag someone ..they are saying am seeking help.. nice logic..

 

[T90TankGuy]

these cult are dragging me needlessly to spew venom .. even though i told them not to drag me in such threads.. previously many members tagged me in threads related to Pak vs Ind.. now a days these very few dragging me in religious .. very well organised, same members tagging other bhakts, but whenever i tag someone ..they are saying am seeking help.. nice logic..

I get tagged too i just ignore . Never , never get your self in a debate with those who have neither the intellectual capability nor an open mind .

 

[danger007]

I get tagged too i just ignore . Never , never get your self in a debate with those who have neither the intellectual capability nor an open mind .

agreed with you.. pathetic logic and full of hatred..

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

There is a basic, fundamental difference. Try to look it up, or ask a knowledgeable Christian, preferably a priest. It is not the same as a Muslim burial or a Hindu burial ground.

Yea. Maybe the land was a common land owned by the government. That was also what I mentioned. And churches have advantages in one particular case. They are educated, legally know what to do. And they own the cemetry and has laws and regulations on who to bury and whom not to? Villagers have carried that practise for centuries, and suddenly if someone from government tells, that its a public land, and even legally they cant do anything. Personally its a good thing as caste evilness can be fought.
This is the difference you are talking off? Or from a religious angle?

 

[Iggy]

Yea. Maybe the land was a common land owned by the government. That was also what I mentioned. And churches have advantages in one particular case. They are educated, legally know what to do. And they own the cemetry and has laws and regulations on who to bury and whom not to? Villagers have carried that practise for centuries, and suddenly if someone from government tells, that its a public land, and even legally they cant do anything. Personally its a good thing as caste evilness can be fought.
This is the difference you are talking off? Or from a religious angle?

Mate, usually the land for churches were donated by a single entity and church will be made with the donations of people and some land near to the church will be allocated for cemetery.

The law of the church is different in different communion.

As for churches like Orthodox or Jacobite, we will be expelled by from churches if we marry a girl outside our religion or penticoste christians and will not be able to bury our family in churches. As for communities like Knanaya Christians, they are not allowed to marry anyone other than Knanaya Christians. Otherwise they will be expelled from their churches also. The funny part about my community is we will become acceptable once the person we marry convert to Christianity. Even a person who is from another community like Marthoma or Catholic, the bride has to baptise to Orthodox for marrying a Orthodox guy.. Hope it clears some doubts. Or I think I make you more confused

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Mate, usually the land for churches were donated by a single entity and church will be made with the donations of people and some land near to the church will be allocated for cemetery.

The law of the church is different in different communion.

As for churches like Orthodox or Jacobite, we will be expelled by from churches if we marry a girl outside our religion or penticoste christians and will not be able to bury our family in churches. As for communities like Knanaya Christians, they are not allowed to marry anyone other than Knanaya Christians. Otherwise they will be expelled from their churches also. The funny part about my community is we will become acceptable once the person we marry convert to Christianity. Even a person who is from another community like Marthoma or Catholic, the bride has to baptise to Orthodox for marrying a Orthodox guy.. Hope it clears some doubts. Or I think I make you more confused

Kinda more confuse Cos I do have a Syrian Christian friend and he shared his thoughts with me, when he loved a girl belonging to a Saurastra community with nativity from Madurai And I even know the ugly truth's the Syrian churches go to the extent to ex-communicate the whole family from the Church, denied into another Syrian churches. Only the high influence families can save themselves.

Joe quoted my post telling that there is one fundamental difference in the example I was quoting. And I replied if that was the difference you are trying to convey