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The irony is she is probably the finest analyst of Pakistani affairs on the planet, every single thing she is saying is backed by quantitate and qualitative data she has collected over the years. She speaks Urdu, has lived in Pakistan has been there done that.

Ignorant is the last thing she is, those who call her expletives are the ignorant ones....

I agree, Her research is based on Pak sources, military journals. She is not pulling things out of her hat. She speaks perfect Urdu, she swears, she drinks and you can't keep her down.

calling her names isn't going to make anyone think less of her but does make people think less of the name caller.

As for being jilted by a Pakistani boyfriend, that is getting a little old, Pakistanis say that about everyone who is critical of Pakistan, as though that is the only reason that anyone would not be resoundingly appreciative of all the shenanigans that go on....btw she is critical of India too...and she reserves her best swear words for the right wingers and bigots in her own country , the US of A.

She has done some serious work, try and listen to what she has to say or refute it using facts , real as opposed to imaginary wishful thinking, instead of calling her names.
 
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Didnt this biatch say that Pakistanis are 'bhola' and 'sedha' in one of her blogs ? then suddenly she had her claws out , something must have happened at a personal level , that is for sure
 
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The irony is she is probably the finest analyst of Pakistani affairs on the planet, every single thing she is saying is backed by quantitate and qualitative data she has collected over the years. She speaks Urdu, has lived in Pakistan has been there done that.

Ignorant is the last thing she is, those who call her expletives are the ignorant ones....


So please tell us what quantitative and qualitative data she relied on when she mused that Imran Khan is being propped up by Pakistani military and the massive crowds that turn up at his rallies are all paid to come out by agencies related to the military. These are the same charges that Nawaz Shareef's government leveled against Imran Khan and his party - that his 126 dharna was a way for the military to unseat PML(N) government; however that did not happen resulting in that conspiracy theory being put to rest - yet she's still ranting about Imran Khan and some secret agenda of Pakistani military behind him. That's purely polemical and ludicrous.

She lived in Pakistan for barely a few months FIVE years ago. If I went to India during BJP's last tenure and started bashing Narendra Modi today based on what I saw during Vajpayee's regime, you'd be jumping up and down here with more expletives.

So next time, before you want to run your mouth, bring some evidence to back up what you say. Christine Fair is an 'ok' analyst of geo-politics in South Asia; not such a good analyst of domestic politics of individual countries. Enough said.

I agree, Her research is based on Pak sources, military journals. She is not pulling things out of her hat. She speaks perfect Urdu, she swears, she drinks and you can't keep her down.

calling her names isn't going to make anyone think less of her but does make people think less of the name caller.

As for being jilted by a Pakistani boyfriend, that is getting a little old, Pakistanis say that about everyone who is critical of Pakistan, as though that is the only reason that anyone would not be resoundingly appreciative of all the shenanigans that go on....btw she is critical of India too...and she reserves her best swear words for the right wingers and bigots in her own country , the US of A.

She has done some serious work, try and listen to what she has to say or refute it using facts , real as opposed to imaginary wishful thinking, instead of calling her names.


Thanks for the lecture, now eat your words since I have yet to see you or her provide evidence for claims that Imran Khan and his political party are a front for the Pakistani military. That conspiracy theory has already been laid to rest, yet she's still hung up on it. In that case, neither she, nor you should expect to be taken seriously by any Pakistani.

She gets most of her information from intelligence data sets that make the rounds on intelligence portals where she has membership. You don't the know the first thing about what kind of ludicrous information circulates in such data sets. It comes down to a person's own intellectual prowess to sift through the b.s and focus on actual serious stuff. But unfortunately when she says something like Imran Khan is a stooge of Pakistani military, she makes a joke out of herself.
 
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She is just a bitter old fart , her claim to being an academic goes down the toilet when she resorts to mimicking questions put to her by some Pakistani on Kashmir

she parrots the lines of our enemies.....like i said - she has bills to pay
 
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This is another piece by CF in Foreign Affairs magazine:

First, unlike in the 1990s, the army no longer has legal methods for interfering in politics. In those years, the army could bring down administrations through a constitutional provision that Pakistan’s third military dictator, Zia ul-Haq, had introduced in 1985. In effect, the amendment turned Pakistan’s parliamentary democratic system, which featured a strong prime minister and a titular president, on its head. The amendment, known as 58(2)(b), granted the president (Zia at the time) sweeping powers, including the ability to dissolve the national and provincial assemblies, which he did.

Democracy returned in 1988, but with 58(2)(b) still on the books the army was able to prevail upon the president three times to dismiss elected governments. The only exception was during Sharif’s second term. Sharif was able to repeal 58(2)(b) in 1997. But the respite was brief: the military staged an outright coup in 1999. The new leader, Musharraf, reinstated the amendment, and it remained in place until 2010, when President Asif Ali Zardari, who was elected in 2008 when Musharraf decided to permit elections, signed the Eighteenth Amendment and returned Pakistan to a more traditional parliamentary democracy. Lacking its old legal lever, the army has had to develop new ways of bringing democracy to heel.

Second, data suggest that Pakistanis still prefer inept politicians to direct military rule. In 2012, my colleagues Jacob N. Shapiro and Neil Malhotra fielded a nationally representative survey of 16,279 Pakistanis. It found that 80 percent thought that it was extremely or very important to live in a county with elected representatives. Most important, even now, no groups are calling for the army to intervene.

In other words, to have a hand in politics, the military would need an electable civilian front man. And that is its third problem. It hasn’t had an alternative to Sharif -- at least not so far. Although Khan may have been an army hopeful when he launched his “tsunami” election campaign in 2010, he has proved to be erratic, truculent, irresponsible, and anything but statesmanlike.

Without the legal methods of the 1990s and suitable replacement, the army had to develop new tools to curb democracy. Soon after Musharraf’s departure, the military tried to fill that gap by simply allying with Pakistan’s Supreme Court. Its chief justice at the time, Iftikar Chaudhury, harbored deep antipathy for Zardari. The roots of that enmity go back to 2008, when Zardari opposed Chaudhury’s reinstatement after Musharraf ousted him in March 2007. Zardari feared that the chief justice would overturn an agreement that Musharraf had inked with Zardari’s late wife, Benazir Bhutto, in 2007. That agreement, called the National Reconciliation Ordinance (NRO), suspended all charges of corruption against politicians in Bhutto’s party, the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP), allowing them to contest elections. Bhutto would have become prime minister and Musharraf would have stayed on as president. The NRO did not extend amnesty to the PPP’s main rival, Sharif’s party, the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N). This scheme fell apart when Bhutto was killed in a suicide attack in December 2007, and many believed Musharraf or his government to be responsible. However, the NRO did pave the way for the PPP, then run by Bhutto’s widower, Zardari, to win the 2008 elections.

Chaudhury was reinstated only after the PML-N launched massive protests against the PPP. Eventually, the months-long impasse was resolved when the army chief at the time, General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, persuaded Zardari to reinstate the chief justice. And once reinstated, Chaudhury did, indeed, void the NRO and ordered the government to reinstate all pending cases against Zardari and other PPP politicians. These reinstated cases helped undermine the PPP government; the court pushed out Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani in 2012 and threatened to do the same with his successor, Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf.

To this day, the courts remain tools with which the generals can clip democracy’s wings. Yet the current supreme court justice, Nasir-ul-Mulk, has shown no appetite (at least yet) for the activism of Chaudhury. Enter the recent round of protests. We may never know decisively whether Qadri or Khan has had direct contact with the military. To manipulate domestic affairs, the military operates through its intelligence service, the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI). The ISI uses proxies, money, threats, and murder to secure the army’s preferred policies. Whether the ISI and its proxies paved the way for the escalating confrontation or whether the protestors-cum-rebels did so of their own volition, the outcome is the same: violent and deadly clashes between the unlawful protesters and the security forces.

In June, police opened fire on Qadri’s supporters in Lahore’s posh neighborhood of Model Town. Even though such brutality is the responsibility of the police officers in question, Qadri and Khan insist upon holding Sharif, his brother (Shahbaz Sharif, the province’s chief minister), and other federal ministers accountable. Ironically, the police have even filed charges against the Sharif brothers as well as 21 others who it alleges were involved in the Model Town incident. These and future looming legal challenges will hamstring this government just as legal challenges crippled the previous one. No doubt as the confrontation between the government and the rabble-rousers continue, such charges will continue to mount. Even if the evidence to convict anyone is scant or nonexistent, given the lethargy of Pakistan’s justice system, it will take years and even decades for these charges to be cleared.

SHARIF, STRONGARMED

Unfortunately for Sharif specifically, and democracy more generally, the army has already won.

The prime minister has had no choice but to use police to push back what he rightfully calls a rebellion. (If the protesters were as peaceful as Khan and Qadri argue, after all, they would not be storming government buildings by the thousands, armed with batons and clubs with their faces covered.) Yet even if Sharif is right to use force -- and even though any excesses should be blamed on the police, not him -- the cases will cripple his government.

There is very little that Sharif could do now to contain the injuries that the army and its two marionettes -- Qadri and Khan -- have already inflicted. He could resign and appoint another PML-N office holder to the prime minister position, as Zardari did when Gilani was forced to resign. Such a move would weaken the office of the prime minister -- a dangerous prospect given Pakistan’s already weak institutions -- but preserve a PML-N government. Or Sharif could dissolve the government and secure another mandate from the people through a snap election. But that would be the ultimate concession to army-backed street thuggery, and it would be expensive. And unless Khan wins more seats than he did in 2013, he may again call foul.

Most likely, Sharif will survive this blow, but only if he stands down in his confrontation with the army. He will have to give up on peace with India and Afghanistan. He will have to acquiesce to the army’s preferences in handling the veritable zoo of militants it has created, harbored, and deployed. He will have to find some way of letting Musharraf escape the treason conviction that the former army chief so rightly deserves.

There is evidence that Sharif is ready to acquiesce. On August 27, reports suggested that Sharif was close to sealing a deal with the army. Then, on August 28, the army announced that it would intervene to resolve the impasse. Although the Sharif government claimed that it had requested the army’s assistance, others suspect that the army is acting on its own bysummoning Khan and Qadri and by having the temerity to tell its political boss how best to manage the escalating confrontation without violence. Either way, the intervention indicated that Sharif has either tacitly or actively accepted the military’s interference in politics.

Still, if Sharif has learned anything over his decades of political maneuvering, it is how to live to fight another day. Pakistan’s elected officials understand this and have supported him, even if they are disappointed that he may have invited the army to play the role of umpire it so enjoys. However, Sharif likely understands that if his government can limp its way to the 2018 elections, the army will have won its battle by weakening the civilian government. But it will not have won its endless war on Pakistan’s anemic democracy.

In the end, though, it will be up to Pakistanis to come to terms with the fact that supporting the civilian government need not imply support for Sharif nor acceptance of his administration’s numerous shortcomings. Democracy and the leaders it produces improve through practice. Rallying behind the army-backed street antics of a sore loser, whose party won only 30 seats in parliament in the last election, and a non-electable Canadian will not improve the quality of governance in Pakistan. For some of Pakistan’s impatient youth, this may be a pill too bitter to swallow.
 
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i wouldnt take anything this witch of a woman says too seriously - she's a certified Pakistan-hater, kind of like her accolade Hussein TRAITOR Haqqani



ive spoken to one person (journalist) who know her well.....the woman was dumped by her former boyfriend (a Pakistani), she's an alcoholic and she's currently going through a divorce. I would question her mental stability.

Rand corp. thinktank expelled her. Now she's just an "assistant professor" at Georgetown Univ.

I guess she makes more money giving these third-rate speeches. Nobody in US govt. is receiving her guidance or advising (even Bruce Reidel is given some attention). She's just a nobody - except she does have bills to pay laugh:
I think this comment of yours is about all "feel good" commentary. Christine Fair is by far, in the west the most recognized person who talks about Pakistan. Almost all foreign think tanks studying Pakistan are hostile against Pakistan and pessimistic about its prospects in the future. There are also publications like the longwarjournal banned here for saying how Americans actually feel about us. Also Christine Fair has studied Pakistan, albeit from an American angle and understands the Pakistani language too.

We should take this pretty seriously and understand that it is the official American viewpoint not the viewpoint of a no body... she has thousands of followers... Also what about Don Rohrabacher, Panetta? All blame Pakistan. How many slights and defamation will we tolerate? They are even slowly cutting down on aid. I think we seriously need to pull away from this dirty alliance and find new allies. Eliminate with terrorists and fanatics, that will remain even if USA falls tommorow because the wahabi mindset spawns such evil terrorism and these people have been taught shadowy murky history that is filled with praise for musalman's and hatred for hindus.

Also kets go into history. The US demanded we join the Afghan Soviet war just so that they could defeat the Soviets. But what happened when the war was over? We got sanctions and the Presler Amendment. Instead at that time we needed help economically while we were hosting how many 3 million or more Afghan refugees...

The United States is going to dump us just like they did in the past. I just hope we are ready for it because when we lose our biggest export market (which is the USA) we will need other options.
 
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I think this comment of yours is about all "feel good" commentary. Christine Fair is by far, in the west the most recognized person who talks about Pakistan. Almost all foreign think tanks studying Pakistan are hostile against Pakistan and pessimistic about its prospects in the future. There are also publications like the longwarjournal banned here for saying how Americans actually feel about us. Also Christine Fair has studied Pakistan, albeit from an American angle and understands the Pakistani language too.

so just because she can speak some Anglo-ized Urdu and knows some Punjabi cuss words and she's lived a few years in Pakistan hanging out with some aristocratic people that suddenly she's an expert?

im sorry - im not convinced



We should take this pretty seriously and understand that it is the official American viewpoint not the viewpoint of a no body... she has thousands of followers... Also what about Don Rohrabacher, Panetta?

It's a lot more complicated than that since major decisions are taken behind closed doors and more often than not have little to do with "mainstream viewpoints"

Rohrabacher is a flip flopper....staunchly right wing but when convenient he will say that marxist rebels should receive armed backing in Balochistan. Panetta - he has his own reasons to have a grudge, just like Ms. UN-Fair does. Like i said - she may have some followers on twitter or facebook but who cares? Daesh has plenty of followers too.


All blame Pakistan. How many slights and defamation will we tolerate? They are even slowly cutting down on aid

so what...let them

Also kets go into history. The US demanded we join the Afghan Soviet war just so that they could defeat the Soviets. But what happened when the war was over? We got sanctions and the Presler Amendment. Instead at that time we needed help economically while we were hosting how many 3 million or more Afghan refugees...

there's one thing Fair says which i do agree on....Pakistan wasnt FORCED to join the anti soviet mission. We very much did it on our own accord and since we found an area of common interest with the US, we joined the covert war.

And regarding Pressler Amendment and sanctions - Pakistan knew what we were getting ourselves into. We had plenty of warnings from the West but we continued to enrich weapons grade uranium. The timing of the Afghan war & our enrichment program was in our favour. AFTER the war - we reaped the consequences of our decisions. Correct decisions if i may say - since india started the arms race and we were forced to respond.


The United States is going to dump us just like they did in the past. I just hope we are ready for it because when we lose our biggest export market (which is the USA) we will need other options.

What they do vis a vis their foreign policy is their own business. I dont think there will be any changes in trade unless they decide to cut-off relations with Pakistan - which I highly doubt they would since that would go against America's own interests.
 
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This is another piece by CF in Foreign Affairs magazine:

In June, police opened fire on Qadri’s supporters in Lahore’s posh neighborhood of Model Town. Even though such brutality is the responsibility of the police officers in question, Qadri and Khan insist upon holding Sharif, his brother (Shahbaz Sharif, the province’s chief minister), and other federal ministers accountable. Ironically, the police have even filed charges against the Sharif brothers as well as 21 others who it alleges were involved in the Model Town incident. These and future looming legal challenges will hamstring this government just as legal challenges crippled the previous one. No doubt as the confrontation between the government and the rabble-rousers continue, such charges will continue to mount. Even if the evidence to convict anyone is scant or nonexistent, given the lethargy of Pakistan’s justice system, it will take years and even decades for these charges to be cleared.


And herein lies Christine Fair's demise. By writing such horseshit and insinuating that individuals of the police force who shot unarmed protesters are the only ones to blame, Christine Fair shows her lack of understanding of the Pakistani political landscape or how things work in Pakistan. Punjab police is NOT an independent police force. It is a politicized force, where recruitment is done on political basis at the behest of Nawaz Sharif's brother Shahbaz Sharif given that he is the Chief Minister of the province. Same is the case with promotions, postings, transfers, etc.

The 'charges' filed by the police against the Chief Minister are ludicrous and a cheap P.R stunt since he controls the police, no one in Punjab police can dare file charges against Shahbaz Sharif in any objective manner. Former police officer Abid Baksar braved death threats to go on air on a tv channel and spilled all the beans about how directly was Shahbaz Sharif and his administration directly involved in the actions of the police force.

Christine Fair, please utilize your urdu and watch this, as well as ignorant Indian runts watch this


This is THE MOST BASIC thing you have to know about Pakistani politics before you can even begin to fathom the more complex issues - that the police force is NOT an independent institution. Imran Khan's party PTI has tried to tackle this very thing in its first term of office in KPK province.

Someone needs to send Christine Fair the 'gullu butt' memo. Guess she totally missed that one in her 'expert' analysis.

Please spare Christine Fair by posting such 'analysis'; you are ruining what little credibility she's clinging on to. In addition, you are making a clown out of yourself.

By kowtowing the stance of PMLN's corrupt government and painting Nawaz Sharif and Shahbaz Sharif as hapless + innocent chaps being cornered by the military (she uses this argument to justify police brutality), she isn't earning any favors from the average Pakistani.
 
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And herein lies Christine Fair's demise. By writing such horseshit and insinuating that individuals of the police force who shot unarmed protesters are the only ones to blame, Christine Fair shows her lack of understanding of the Pakistani political landscape or how things work in Pakistan. Punjab police is NOT an independent police force. It is a politicized force, where recruitment is done on political basis at the behest of Nawaz Sharif's brother Shahbaz Sharif given that he is the Chief Minister of the province. Same is the case with promotions, postings, transfers, etc.

The 'charges' filed by the police against the Chief Minister are ludicrous and a cheap P.R stunt since he controls the police, no one in Punjab police can dare file charges against Shahbaz Sharif in any objective manner. Former police officer Abid Baksar braved death threats to go on air on a tv channel and spilled all the beans about how directly was Shahbaz Sharif and his administration directly involved in the actions of the police force.

Christine Fair, please utilize your urdu and watch this, as well as ignorant Indian runts watch this


This is THE MOST BASIC thing you have to know about Pakistani politics before you can even begin to fathom the more complex issues - that the police force is NOT an independent institution. Imran Khan's party PTI has tried to tackle this very thing in its first term of office in KPK province.

Someone needs to send Christine Fair the 'gullu butt' memo. Guess she totally missed that one in her 'expert' analysis.

Please spare Christine Fair by posting such 'analysis'; you are ruining what little credibility she's clinging on to. In addition, you are making a clown out of yourself.
So what are you trying to say ? That the Pak police cannot be manipulated by anyone other than the Shariff brothers? This is a little difficult to believe.
 
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So what are you trying to say ? That the Pak police cannot be manipulated by anyone other than the Shariff brothers? This is a little difficult to believe.


Bro, go live in Pakistani Punjab and then talk about it. Don't talk about stuff you have NO clue about. You are making a mockery out of yourself the more you keep posting nonsensical posts here. If anyone but the Sharif brothers political administration wants to do anything illegal (hint: ISI or other agencies), they got way more options, resources and assets up their sleeves (ones that do not attract attention) than to 'manipulate Punjab police to shoot unarmed protesters in broad daylight) or to later file charges. Sharif brother's RUN the Punjab police straight up. Like I said, watch that youtube video I posted and then do us all a favor, educate yourself or shut up. Thanks.

WATCH THE VIDEO. 'Khara Sach 19th June 2014' - easily available on youtube.
 
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Bro, go live in Pakistani Punjab and then talk about it. Don't talk about stuff you have NO clue about. You are making a mockery out of yourself the more you keep posting nonsensical posts here. Sharif brother's RUN the Punjab police straight up. Like I said, watch that youtube video I posted and then do us all a favor, educate yourself or shut up. Thanks.
OK Buddy, so this is Pakistani style debate is it ? Basically, "I am right, you are wrong, better agree with me or else SHUT the f*** up"

I kinda see why Pak has so much trouble getting along with its neighbors ;)
 
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OK Buddy, so this is Pakistani style debate is it ? Basically, "I am right, you are wrong, better agree with me or else SHUT the f*** up"

I kinda see why Pak has so much trouble getting along with its neighbors ;)


Its called my facts vs your polemic. Grow up and learn to accept when you are plain wrong rather than engage in word play. That would demonstrate your intellectual honesty as opposed to the willful dishonesty you are currently engaged in not having lived in Pakistani Punjab, nor knowing how its police force functions.

I, as someone from Pakistan, am not going to sit and tell you that I know more about Delhi police than someone who has lived his entire life in Delhi. So yeah, try and practice some intellectual honesty and be able to utter the words 'yes I am not informed on this topic and I am willing to learn', instead of defending Christine Fair's ludicrous analysis just for the sake of argument or to engage in schoolyard d*ck measuring contest.
 
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Fair, from 09.35 onwards " What they have been able to do is use money, which is probably coming from our pockets frankly, through the ISI, to basically whip up massive crowds".

Quite the revelation there Christine, any idea what the going rates for extras were? :)

I hope she carries on her work. You would usually have to pay a fair bit for a nice work fiction, but with our esteemed scholar here, you get it for free.

Anyone remember when she called ‘Zarb e Azb’; ‘Zarb e Bakwaas’? With such crass words being used to describe a conflict in which dozens of servicemen have died, the volley of abuse directed towards her on here is quite tame, compared to what critics from other countries have received in the past when insulting war dead.
 
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The bbc seems to think they were paid, here's something for you :

Protesters in Pakistan have told the BBC they were paid to join rallies for "three or four days" but are now being denied permission to return home.

Thousands, led by former cricketer Imran Khan and cleric Tahirul Qadri, occupied parts of Islamabad, in an effort to topple the government.

Much of Mr Khan's support thinned out as the weeks wore on.

But some of Mr Qadri's supporters, who wished to leave, have told the BBC Urdu they were threatened by party leaders.

Mr Qadri's Pakistan Awami Tehrik (PAT) party's deputy information secretary, Omar Riaz Abbasi, denied the party had paid or threatened protesters.

"All the people in the 'revolution' march have come here of their own free will. No one forced them, or paid them money," he said.

Mr Qadri's supporters have appeared more resilient, with many setting up tent villages occupying central roads in Pakistan's capital.

But the BBC heard from students who said they had been paid to attend but also prevented from leaving, in an effort to recruit demonstrators and maintain the momentum of the protest.

"A local leader of Mr Qadri's party told my parents he was taking me away for Mr Qadri's 'revolution' march, and that I would come back in about three days' time," Naveed, 16, a 10th grade student from Bahawalpur region of Punjab, told the BBC.
 
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The irony is she is probably the finest analyst of Pakistani affairs on the planet, every single thing she is saying is backed by quantitate and qualitative data she has collected over the years. She speaks Urdu, has lived in Pakistan has been there done that.

Ignorant is the last thing she is, those who call her expletives are the ignorant ones....

Sorry could not stop laughing after reading that, she has been debunked not once but multiple times for using false data and logic. Most of her hypothesis is based on her assumptions and is not backed up by any logic or facts what so ever. She has been ranting for a long time, nobody in the US and by that i mean the State Dept and the Pentagon pays her any attention.

OK Buddy, so this is Pakistani style debate is it ? Basically, "I am right, you are wrong, better agree with me or else SHUT the f*** up"

In this case he is right, you are just to stupid to accept it. Punjab Police is a pet servant of the Sharif Brothers, they both were involved in the Model Town Massacre. Why else would they promote the Officers that were responsible for this and the people who were arrested were basic constables. As i said before, Basic Logic that is lacking in her assertions.

I kinda see why Pak has so much trouble getting along with its neighbors ;)

Pakistan has no problems with its neighbours, in fact the relations are improving.
 
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