Christianizing Bharatanatyam

[Manvantaratruti]

Most people do not seem to realize with the real problem is.

If these christians were to pay homage to the Hindu traditions, culture, heritage and practices before performing the dance for christ no one would have a problem.

The real problem is when this dance form is used to spread hatred by denigrating and demolishing its hindu roots. It then sows seeds for further hatred and disconnect.

Bowing to Ganesa or Natraj does not make one any less christian if their objective is to follow the path of christ and love all humans. But clearly that is not their objective as christian dancers, is it ?

 

[Hermione]

Its really desperation rather than swallowing , Indian culture and its art forms has been spreading in India and the world for some time now .. Actually we are seeing a revival of Hinduism rather than a slow death which we were seeing during the 80s and 90s were access to information could be easily controlled .. In fact one could say Christianity is being " Hinduised " .. I went to a church 1 week back and and they really made their prayers sound like Hindu morning prayers .. Yoga and Breathing exercise has been viewed by most Christians as "Acts of the Devil "

There is a problem with that. It is called U-turn. This is the same that happened with a lot of students of Hinduism in West. They come, learn, sing praises, practice for a few years, and then claim all of these are part of Christianity anyways and go back to it.

Christianity has absolutely nothing of its own. Christmas, Easter, and the rest of the Christian festivals are all of pagan origin. No credit given.


INCULTURATION EFFECT ON ARTISTS

"To understand the syndrome we are dealing with, it is important to first understand the strategy known as inculturation and its colonizing influences upon a growing number of Indian dancers. What this dancer feels is precisely the result of inculturation - namely, to de-Hinduize the tradition in such a manner that it is welcomed by the practitioners who begin to see this shift as a kind of modernization and globalization program.The first stage is to diminish the dharmic metaphysical context by emptying the symbols of their deeper meanings, and this gets gradually secularized and eventually Christianized" - Rajiv Malhotra, author of BREAKING INDIA and BEING DIFFERENT​

 

[INDIC]

@Hermione if our culture spreading beyond the boundary, then it should be taken as positive thing. Indian music, dances, yoga, medicine, food are already making impact, we should promote such trends.

 

[Ayush]

i blame @seiko

 

[INDIC]

Wrong choice of words. That sounded like Hindus first usurped the Bharatnatyam from someone else. Sorry about that.

Do you have Gharana(school) of Carnatic music and South Indian dances. Each gharana have their own style.

 

[Chola warrior]

Whatever....
They can't separate tamils and Hinduism. We are one of indigenous ethnicity which helped hinduism grow throughput Asia and still retaining most of true aspects of hinduism.

The only reason for these scaled conversion are due to varna system which Brahmins introduced for their own sake by fabricating core meaning of hinduism.

 

[Manvantaratruti]

@Hermione if our culture spreading beyond the boundary, then it should be taken as positive thing. Indian music, dances, yoga, medicine, food are already making impact, we should promote such trends.

Dance form is not our culture, respect for others is.

And that is NOT spreading.

Our Dance, music, yoga, food, medicine makes that same statement....... respect for others. All life forms, all humans, all religion and all practices and all societies. Do you see that spreading ?

What you see spreading is bastardization of our real value system to be replaced by something that looks similar but works in the opposite direction.

 

[Hermione]

@Hermione if our culture spreading beyond the boundary, then it should be taken as positive thing. Indian music, dances, yoga, medicine, food are already making impact, we should promote such trends.

It should spread INDIC. The argument is not that it is spreading, but that it is being shorn of its Hindu origins. It is being claimed that it is not Hindu/Indian in origin. That it is all their Christian/Western creation.

I have seen this even in Hare Krishna Temple of Utah where they have the biggest Holi festival. I used to love what that temple was doing. It is still doing good. But then they started claiming that their Holi is better and bigger than even in India. This streak of competition and trying to outdo or belittle the origins does not ever let go even in Western Hindus. Now imagine what the Christian groups do with that.

 

[Indischer]

Do you have Gharana(school) of Carnatic music and South Indian dances. Each gharana have their own style.

No. No such groupings exist either in Carnatic music or in Bharatnatyam.....A few modern exponents have taken artistic liberties with both arts, but they're not seen as part of mainstream expression or tutelage, as is the case with Gharanas.

 

[Hermione]

No. No such groupings exist either in Carnatic music or in Bharatnatyam.....A few modern exponents have taken artistic liberties with both arts, but they're not seen as part of mainstream expression or tutelage, as is the case with Gharanas.

Have you seen Rukmini Vijayakurmar perform. She is awesome. Goddess herself.

 

[manlion]

No. No such groupings exist either in Carnatic music or in Bharatnatyam.....A few modern exponents have taken artistic liberties with both arts, but they're not seen as part of mainstream expression or tutelage, as is the case with Gharanas.

are you sure ???

 

[Indischer]

are you sure ???

In some measure, yes. Carnatic music defintely does not have any clan/guru-based traditions, which the Gharanas are.

 

[manlion]

In some measure, yes. Carnatic music defintely does not have any clan/guru-based traditions, which the Gharanas are.

but not that's not the case with Bharata natyam .. .......

Bharata Natyam - Melatur style (just an e.g )

Muslim Bharata Natyam arangetram

 

[Indischer]

but not that's not the case with Bharata natyam .. .......

Bharata Natyam - Melatur style (just an e.g )

As I told earlier, a few modern exponents have taken artistic liberties and developed little variations in the dance-form. But it isn't like the Gharana system. For example, to learn the Melattur style, one might probably have to go to a particular dance school, whereas most Hindustani singers belong to a particular gharana by default.

 

[A Town]

Christians are dying in the Western World. This is just desperation from their part.