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Yes, who disputed discrimination under caste system but how is it related to my comment. I said North India because they were involved in spreading Hinduism being the religion of cunning North Indian Aryans imposed on Dravidians attacking Hinduism and North Indians simultaneously. BTW why are you attacking me.



That's true, British were into Hindu vs Muslim, low caste vs high caste and North India vs South India to keep Indians divided and rule India with an ease. Out of which the first one Hindu vs Muslim bore fruits for British.

Actually, this was always there. While leftist media always portrays eternal peace before 'evil British' came, the tensions were always there. Which is why it all came out when partition was announced. The distrust even among those living in partition-era was there. There are many excellent documentaries on these from the people who were alive at that time.

Honestly, I or those who dwell into this from my region understood your tensions in the first go while many of your left leaning ones are still in denial. All this when we were not even involved in the country's partition.
 
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Actually, this was always there. While leftist media always portrays eternal peace before 'evil British' came, the tensions were always there. Which is why it all came out when partition was announced. The distrust even among those living in partition-era was there. There are many excellent documentaries on these from the people who were alive at that time.

Honestly, I or those who dwell into this from my region understood your tensions in the first go while many of your left leaning ones are still in denial. All this when we were not even involved in the country's partition.

It was there but British made a full use of it for themselves, like the Hindi-Urdu divide in 1837 by trying to impose Urdu on Hindus and later the partition of Bengal in 1905.
 
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You should mind one thing madam... I liked Christianity so I choose it.. I can promise you one thing there are plenty pastors who come to church drunk.. Some of them visit houses in the name of prayers but they visit for money... You can't blame Christianity and other missionaries just because of some idiots ... Likewise Muslims... Christians don't pray to idols... Different religions different believes.. Nothing wrong to choose different religion...

You choose a religion according to your capacity to understand and appreciate it. Christianity endorses alcohol so that is why the church does not see anything wrong in drinking and most priests, fathers, and pastor smoke and drink. So it is disingenuous to say their behavior has nothing to do with Christianity.

Yup this is why govt should relinquish control of temples and all attached properties (and more importantly the revenues that come from it), even though there are some orgs that do work outside of it, the major share of cash comes from temple offerings.
This way temples can decide where they spend their income and create scholarships etc. Otherwise the environment is very unfair, other religions get minority status, and also massive funding from outside.

LOL. The govt diverts the money from the temple for its own purposes as well as funds churches and mosques and then you have Sickulars like @Ravi Nair talking about how the Hindus are so mean.
 
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You choose a religion according to your capacity to understand and appreciate it. Christianity endorses alcohol so that is why the church does not see anything wrong in drinking and most priests, fathers, and pastor smoke and drink. So it is disingenuous to say their behavior has nothing to do with Christianity.
Not really... Not alcohol but red wine(Grapes).
 
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You choose a religion according to your capacity to understand and appreciate it. Christianity endorses alcohol so that is why the church does not see anything wrong in drinking and most priests, fathers, and pastor smoke and drink. So it is disingenuous to say their behavior has nothing to do with Christianity.



LOL. The govt diverts the money from the temple for its own purposes as well as funds churches and mosques and then you have Sickulars like @Ravi Nair talking about how the Hindus are so mean.
Not sure about outside Kerala..but government is not giving any funds to the churches of Kerala..Kerala Christians are the most forward among Indian Christians and also the most richest section..
 
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LOL. The govt diverts the money from the temple for its own purposes as well as funds churches and mosques and then you have Sickulars like @Ravi Nair talking about how the Hindus are so mean.
To make matters worse, some govts even sell these properties/jewellery etc off for throwaway prices. or their party members encroach on temple lands, or use them and pay rent that is way below the market rate. As per Swami, there are some 50,000 odd temples in TN alone, just daily offerings alone will be quite good, if you include that with revenue from other assets, it's huge. These politicians make a killing from temples.

Not sure about outside Kerala..but government is not giving any funds to the churches of Kerala..Kerala Christians are the most forward among Indian Christians and also the most richest section..
I think there was something about AP and YSR...atleast what I read in defence forums, that he was using Thirumala funds.
 
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Not sure about outside Kerala..but government is not giving any funds to the churches of Kerala..Kerala Christians are the most forward among Indian Christians and also the most richest section..

Pseudo Secularism: How revenue of Temples in India misused by governments
July 26, 2013 at 7:59pm
Pseudo Secularism: How revenue of Temples in India misused by governments
Foreign writer opens our eyes.

The Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowment Act of 1951 allow State Governments and politicians to take over thousands of Hindu Temples and maintain complete control over them and their properties. It is claimed that they can sell the temple assets and properties and use the money in any way they choose.
A charge has been made not by any Temple authority, but by a foreign writer, Stephen Knapp in a book (Crimes against India and the Need to Protect Ancient Vedic Tradition) published in the United States that makes shocking reading.
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/crimes_against_india.htm
Hundreds of temples in centuries past have been built in India by devout rulers and the donations given to them by devotees have been used for the benefit of the (other) people. If, presently, money collected has ever been misused (and that word needs to be defined), it is for the devotees to protest and not for any government to interfere. This letter is what has been happening currently under an intrusive law.
It would seem, for instance, that under a Temple Empowerment Act, about 43,000 temples in Andhra Pradesh have come under government control and only 18 per cent of the revenue of these temples have been returned for temple purposes, the remaining 82 per cent being used for purposes unstated.
Apparently even the world famous Tirumala Tirupati Temple has not been spared. According to Knapp, the temple collects over Rs 3,100 Crores every year and the State Government has not denied the charge that as much as 85 per cent of this is transferred to the State Exchequer, much of which goes to causes that are not connected with the Hindu community. Was it for that reason that devotees make their offering to the temples? Another charge that has been made is that the Andhra Government has also allowed the demolition of at least ten temples for the construction of a golf course. Imagine the outcry writes Knapp, if ten mosques had been demolished.
It would seem that in Karanataka, Rs. 79 Crores were collected from about two lakh temples and from that, temples received Rs seven Crores for their maintenance, Muslim madrassas and Haj subsidy were given Rs. 59 Crore and churches about Rs 13 Crore. Very generous of the government.

Because of this, Knapp writes, 25 per cent of the two lakh temples or about 50,000 temples in Karnataka will be closed down for lack of resources, and he adds: The only way the government can continue to do this is because people have not stood up enough to stop it.
Knapp then refers to Kerala where, he says, funds from the Guruvayur Temple are diverted to other government projects denying improvement to 45 Hindu temples. Land belonging to the Ayyappa Temple, apparently has been grabbed and Church encroaches are occupying huge areas of forest land, running into thousands of acres, near Sabarimala.
A charge is made that the Communist state government of Kerala wants to pass an Ordinance to disband the Travancore & Cochin Autonomous Devaswom Boards (TCDBs) and take over their limited independent authority of 1,800 Hindu temples.
If what the author says is true, even the Maharashtra Government wants to take over some 450,000 temples in the state which would supply a huge amount of revenue to correct the states bankrupt condition.
And to top it all, Knapp says that in Orissa, the state government intends to sell over 70,000 acres of endowment lands from the Jagannath Temple, the proceeds of which would solve a huge financial crunch brought about by its own mismanagement of temple assets.

Says Knapp: Why such occurrences are so often not known is that the Indian media, especially the English television and press, are often anti-Hindu in their approach, and thus not inclined to give much coverage, and certainly no sympathy, for anything that may affect the Hindu community. Therefore, such government action that plays against the Hindu community goes on without much or any attention attracted to them.

Knapp obviously is on record. If the facts produced by him are incorrect, it is up to the government to say so. It is quite possible that some individuals might have set up temples to deal with lucrative earnings. But that, surely, is none of the governments business? Instead of taking over all earnings, the government surely can appoint local committees to look into temple affairs so that the amount discovered is fairly used for the public good?
Says Knapp: Nowhere in the free, democratic world are the religious institutions managed, maligned and controlled by the government, thus denying the religious freedom of the people of the country. But it is happening in India. Government officials have taken control of Hindu temples because they smell money in them, they recognise the indifference of Hindus, they are aware of the unlimited patience and tolerance of Hindus, they also know that it is not in the blood of Hindus to go to the streets to demonstrate, destroy property, threaten, loot, harm and kill.

Many Hindus are sitting and watching the demise of their culture. They need to express their views loud and clear Knapp obviously does not know that should they do so, they would be damned as communalists. But it is time someone asked the Government to lay down all the facts on the table so that the public would know what is happening behind its back. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is not secularism. And temples are not for looting, under any name. One thought that Mohammad of Ghazni has long been dead.
Please forward this to ALL Hindus all over the world.
It’s time we realize our culture is being wiped away!!!

HARD REALITIES.........
Hinduism remains the most attacked and under siege of all the major world religions. This is in spite of the fact that Hinduism is the most tolerant and pluralistic of the world’s major religions.

To make matters worse, some govts even sell these properties/jewellery etc off for throwaway prices. or their party members encroach on temple lands, or use them and pay rent that is way below the market rate. As per Swami, there are some 50,000 odd temples in TN alone, just daily offerings alone will be quite good, if you include that with revenue from other assets, it's huge. These politicians make a killing from temples.

They even made a rule in the big temples in TN to worship god with only 2 bananas for prayers. So monthly temple expense was some 100 rupees or so.
 
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Hinduism remains the most attacked and under siege of all the major world religions. This is in spite of the fact that Hinduism is the most tolerant and pluralistic of the world’s major religions.

what does all that mean, indrani??
 
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Intoxicant. The variety of alcohol available at that time. Hence encouragement to all Christians to drink.

Plain wrong.. Some churches uses red wine for masses.. They made it in churches using grapes.. But some churches uses only grape juice for holy masses. Christinanity never encourages drinking.. It is considered one of the sins..
 
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Knapp then refers to Kerala where, he says, funds from the Guruvayur Temple are diverted to other government projects denying improvement to 45 Hindu temples. Land belonging to the Ayyappa Temple, apparently has been grabbed and Church encroaches are occupying huge areas of forest land, running into thousands of acres, near Sabarimala.
A charge is made that the Communist state government of Kerala wants to pass an Ordinance to disband the Travancore & Cochin Autonomous Devaswom Boards (TCDBs) and take over their limited independent authority of 1,800 Hindu temples.

*yawn* usual propaganda..
 
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Plain wrong.. Some churches uses red wine for masses.. They made it in churches using grapes.. But some churches uses only grape juice for holy masses. Christinanity never encourages drinking.. It is considered one of the sins..

What nonsense. What is wine if not alcohol. Is it an intoxicant or not? Jesus himself was drinking wine. Wine is not drunk for taste but its intoxicating properties.

Non sense

Truth as verified by the highest consumption of alcohol by all countries with Christian majority.

*yawn* usual propaganda..
Truth as there were no settlements of Christians in those forest lands before.
 
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