Christian community stages anti-Nato demo

[notsuperstitious]

what an absurd logic you have; the reason of the protest was to voice anger over the incident and to show solidarity with the armed forces

has nothing even to do with "Islamic bomb" and in fact -- i dont know what you are trying to insinuate by bringing up the kafir/non-kafir aspect of this subject in the first place.... your post was basically sensationalist (at best - useless)

You guys were begging for a comment, hence I commented.

Actually my logic is absolutely correct, as you were complaining that western/indians will not comment on this. Your logic was completely wrong, western Indian papers do not say its the hindus and christians that are anti Pakistan do they? I'm sure pakistani hindus and christians are patriots.

The stories that get highlighted are cases where these patriots are ill treated. Now your claim that these patriots holding a demonstration in support of pakistan (as they should) negates the other stories that these patriots are ill treated sometimes by your state / people does not make sense.

See, its you who are illogical, not me.

I remember some pakistanis hindus holding demonstration in support of an islamist pakistani terrorist organisation jamat ud dawa after the mumbai attacks too. I admit my logic has limitations and I do not pretend to understand everything that happens (or made to happen) in pakistan.

 

[53fd]

You guys were begging for a comment, hence I commented.

Actually my logic is absolutely correct, as you were complaining that western/indians will not comment on this. Your logic was completely wrong, western Indian papers do not say its the hindus and christians that are anti Pakistan do they? I'm sure pakistani hindus and christians are patriots.

The stories that get highlighted are cases where these patriots are ill treated. Now your claim that these patriots holding a demonstration in support of pakistan (as they should) negates the other stories that these patriots are ill treated sometimes by your state / people does not make sense.

See, its you who are illogical, not me.

I remember some pakistanis hindus holding demonstration in support of an islamist pakistani terrorist organisation jamat ud dawa after the mumbai attacks too. I admit my logic has limitations and I do not pretend to understand everything that happens (or made to happen) in pakistan.

I don't know what you're trying to get at, or what it has to do with the topic of the thread. All Pakistanis regardless of religion or ethnicity love Pakistan, are patriotic citizens, & we have no doubt about that. Yes, we all have faced injustices on some levels, & we have our grievances against the state, but we are patriotic Pakistanis, & we defend our nation against all adversaries. Period.

 

[notsuperstitious]

I don't know what you're trying to get at, or what it has to do with the topic of the thread. All Pakistanis regardless of religion or ethnicity love Pakistan, are patriotic citizens, & we have no doubt about that. Yes, we all have faced injustices on some levels, & we have our grievances against the state, but we are patriotic Pakistanis, & we defend our nation against all adversaries. Period.

Very well said. Since developreo and some other posters were complaining that western / indians will not comment on this, you should tell them this too. They are giving the impression that Indians and westerners think pakistani minorities are not patriotic. NOBODY ever says that, but they seem confused. Maybe they have some doubts.

Thank you for clearing their confusion.

 

[53fd]

Very well said. Since developreo and some other posters were complaining that western / indians will not comment on this, you should tell them this too. They are giving the impression that Indians and westerners think pakistani minorities are not patriotic. NOBODY ever says that, but they seem confused.

Thank you for clearing their confusion.

I think you're the one that's confused. No one insinuated Pakistani Christians or Hindus aren't patriotic. They are extremely patriotic, & we recognize that, & we are proud to have them as our fellow citizens. We don't see them as any different despite our different religions, they are our equals in every way.

 

[somebozo]

Well, the western press will now look the other way...for them..the only minorities "good" news coming from Pakistan is that of killing, plunder, desecration etc etc

 

[notsuperstitious]

I think you're the one that's confused. No one insinuated Pakistani Christians or Hindus aren't patriotic. They are extremely patriotic, & we recognize that, & we are proud to have them as our fellow citizens. We don't see them as any different despite our religions, they are our equals in every way.

Now even you are confused and do not see the obvious disconnect here.

You think they are patriotic, we think they are patriotic. This is a news about their patriotic display. Agreed?

Then why are these posters saying indians will not comment on this news. Are they not insinuating we think otherwise (that these minorities are not patriotic?)

Get it? Read slowly.

We think pakistani minorities are EXTREMELY patriotic. I hope that settles it and they will stop complaining now.

Pakistani Hindus rally to support Jamaat ud Dawa - YouTube

 

[53fd]

Now even you are confused and do not see the obvious disconnect here.

You think they are patriotic, we think they are patriotic. This is a news about their patriotic display. Agreed?

Then why are these posters saying indians will not comment on this news. Are they not insinuating we think otherwise (that these minorities are not patriotic?)

No, it's because Indians generally like to show every little suffering the minorities of Pakistan have to face in Pakistan, & hardly ever want to show the good side.

 

[notsuperstitious]

No, it's because Indians generally like to show the sufferings of the minorities in Pakistan, & hardly ever want to show the good side.

Suffering of minorities is a comment on the state of pakistan, NOT minorities.

Patriotism of minorities is a comment on the minorities, NOT the state of pakistan.

We comment on the state of Pakistan, not minorities. Its very consistent. We assume and expect minorities to be patriotic, hence we do not comment on it. We also expect state of pakistan to treat minorities with equality (like jinnah promised).

You are too confused now, I can not teach you comprehension. You obviously do not see how this is a non news for outsiders. For some reason minorities being patriotic seems to be big news for you.

 

[53fd]

Suffering of minorities is a comment on the state of pakistan, NOT minorities.

Yes, but you want to show how minorities fare better in 'secular' India than Islamist Pakistan.

Patriotism of minorities is a comment on the minorities, NOT the state of pakistan.

Agreed. You don't care about the patriotism of minorities in Pakistan.

We comment on the state of Pakistan, not minorities. Its very consistent.

Developero's point wasn't that you don't acknowledge the patriotism of Pakistani minorities, but that you don't show anything good happening to the minorities of Pakistan, or for the state of Pakistan under which these minorities live.

Am I clear enough for you now?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

exactly, you dont...so it's best for you to keep your beak shut when you have no idea what you're ranting about --especially in these cases, shut-beak and ears/eyes more open is most warranted.

the issues exist in our country, the same way they do in yours. . . injustices exist everywhere and they are not limited to just the occasional (and most unfortunate) attacks or persecutions against minorities. It takes political will and strong civilian law enforcement to ensure that hate-mongerers or hate groups who utter ***** and ignorance are clamped down and cease to exist. Seems to be the best alternative.

no need to bring up "Islamic bomb" or irrelevant things to discussion; just because this content was posted doesn't mean there even NEEDS to be a "negation" towards the aforementioned injustices. Who here even suggested negations other than you? I certainly don't see negations or even obstructions towards getting the news of such things. Our news media is FIRST to report on such things in Pakistan ---others follow, and then they add a juicy 'twist' to it (e.g. BBC, ToIlet, etc.)


I always say that to be a Pakistani is not an "ethnicity"....there is nothing called an ethnic Pakistani. To be a Pakistani is a blessing simply because it represents a LOT to a lot of different people. Collectively, we make one; and our greatest strength lies in our diversity and richness of culture, ideas, language.

 

[Developereo]

Very well said. Since developreo and some other posters were complaining that western / indians will not comment on this, you should tell them this too. They are giving the impression that Indians and westerners think pakistani minorities are not patriotic. NOBODY ever says that, but they seem confused. Maybe they have some doubts.

Thank you for clearing their confusion.

Nonsense.

The Western/Indian media propaganda is that Pakistani society is fragmented along sectarian lines. Hindus and Sikhs are leaving Pakistan in droves and heading for India. Christians are running off to the West.

In contrast, Pakistanis have always maintained that our minorities are patriotic and fully integrated citizens. We have never denied the existence of extremist elements; they exist in all societies. In Pakistan, they may be more emboldened, but that's only because of general breakdown of law and order for everybody -- Muslim and non-Muslim.

This gives the lie to the Indian fantasy and proves that Pakistanis of all stripes are united against the aggressors.

 

[53fd]

Nonsense.

The Western/Indian media propaganda is that Pakistani society is fragmented along sectarian lines. Hindus and Sikhs are leaving Pakistan in droves and heading for India. Christians are running off to the West.

In contrast, Pakistanis have always maintained that our minorities are patriotic and fully integrated citizens.

This gives the lie to the Indian fantasy and proves that Pakistanis of all stripes are united against the aggressors.

I must say, I am losing patience with Indian trolling on this forum, & their twisted logic for s*its & giggles.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

we all are, but what can we do......best to maintain patience, report stupid/useless posts (they come aplenty) and hopefully mods would remove them

 

[regular]

This clearly shows that this has nothing to do with Religion and Pakistan's fears that NATO is after them because of their ''Islamic Bomb'' are completely wrong.

Its time for Pakistan to stop viewing everything through the prism of religion and start cooperating with kafirs. Thank you pakistani christians and hindus for making that point.

Hey we all people will gonna get suffered no matter Hindu, Christian or Sikhs alongwith the Muslims here....cuz we share the same environment...but this US/NATO don't even care about the minorities either , they wanna send everybody to the stone age....

 

[notsuperstitious]

You guys are funny as hell, you beg for our comment, and now when I commented you are complaining like little girls that I did not say what you want to hear.

Ok, here goes, this display of patriotism of pakistani minorities clearly shows that no hindu / sikhs have crossed over to India, no christians have sought assylum in the west, the pakistani minorities do not feel threatened and thriving with their numbers growing daily, no ahmadis are suspsected of being MI5 agents and no prejudice exists in any law.

This news has unequivocally negated / answered / rebutted / proved false / exposed all other minority related news that ever came out of pakistan. Thank you.