Chinese Y-20, could help modernize Pakistan's transport capabilities.

[SQ8]

Looks like another rip-off by China- looks almost identical to C-17. How does a transport plnae change the military balance in the region? India has always maintained a conventional superiority over Pakistan does this purchase really change anything?

Does the fact that its a "rip-off" have anything to do with the aircraft's capabilities?
Please, elaborate.. as to how the ability for improving airlift capacity not effect force deployment and supply which in essence increase conventional forces effectiveness?

 

[Bilal.]

I disagree. There is little need for, or room in the coffer for the Y-20. Pakistan's tactical airlift needs are all met by the C-130; and as such it is the perfect aircraft for our airlift needs. If anything, the other aircraft that seems suited to replacing the C-130B in service is the C-130J. At worst, if the C-130 is not available the next viable option would be A-400(if funds permit) or the An-70. At any rate, the PAF has little need for strategic lifters due to its limited operational intent. Further Il-76's are another option but as such its moot.

A-400 is an extremely expensive aircraft, almost the same category as a C-17 price wise, Y-20 is probably going to cost less, Y-19 even more so.

 

[SQ8]

A-400 is an extremely expensive aircraft, almost the same category as a C-17 price wise, Y-20 is probably going to cost less, Y-19 even more so.

Perhaps, and it is quite likely out of the question. But the Y-20 does not seem to fit into the criteria of a tactical airlifter and the variants of the Y-9 have lesser volume as compared to the C-130. Moreover, it is not known if the Y-20 is even capable of shortfield takeoffs or not.

 

[Bilal.]

Perhaps, and it is quite likely out of the question. But the Y-20 does not seem to fit into the criteria of a tactical airlifter and the variants of the Y-9 have lesser volume as compared to the C-130. Moreover, it is not known if the Y-20 is even capable of shortfield takeoffs or not.

I was refering to the elusive Y-19 not Y-9. They are supposed to be a brand new development at par or even exceeding C-130J-30.

 

[SQ8]

I was refering to the elusive Y-19 not Y-9. They are supposed to be a brand new development at par or even exceeding C-130J-30.

Quite elusive then, must be on the Chinese boards. But in that case, it probably is still in the mockup stage and by the time it flies and is available for purchase; something else may be bought.

 

[HariPrasad]

As we know recent purchase of 10 Transport planes worth 4.3 billion by India is changing balance of military in region Pakistan should also look into investing in to Chinese plane that will hit the Airs in 2012 !!!

Y20 Extremely capable plane

Currently 603 Institute, XAC and SAC are developing an advanced 4-engine large transport (Y-20?) which is smaller than American C-17 and based upon some IL-76MD technology. As the result assistance was sought from Antonov Design Bureau in 2008. Its max payload was expected to be around 50t and max TO weight >200t. Fitted with high-lift devices along the wing leading and trailing edges, the aircraft is capable of taking off from relatively short and unpaved runways, making many temporary airfields behind the battlefield accessible. Currently it is unclear whether the aircraft will have an IFR probe installed or not. The prototypes and the initial batch may be powered by Russian D-30KP-2/WS-18 turbofans, later by the modified WS-10 (WS-118?). A full-scale metal mock-up (head section) of Y-20 was constructed by 2008 and the first flight is projected in 2012. On August 20, 2009 SAC started to build the rear fuselage of the first prototype. It was reported (April 2010) that the full-scale mock-up was completed in early 2010. It was also rumored that the aircraft might serve as the testbed for the Chinese airborne laser weapon prototype similar to American YAL-1 which is thought to be under development. In addition the next generation of medium transport aircraft was believed to be under development at XAC/603 Institute as well, powered by four modified WS-10 turbofans. Its max payload is around 25t.

Pakistani Airforce could use 10 of these babies in Pakistani colors - a remarkable plane by China , in such a short time

Like Chinese Loco Improve Pakistani railways???

 

[Destro]

Perhaps, and it is quite likely out of the question. But the Y-20 does not seem to fit into the criteria of a tactical airlifter and the variants of the Y-9 have lesser volume as compared to the C-130. Moreover, it is not known if the Y-20 is even capable of shortfield takeoffs or not.

The Y-9 surpasses the capabilities of the C-130J.

Of course you wouldn't have the slightest clue about aviation.

 

[SQ8]

The Y-9 surpasses the capabilities of the C-130J.

Of course you wouldn't have the slightest clue about aviation.

Really. Please, explain in your mighty knowledge of aviation how that is?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Does the fact that its a "rip-off" have anything to do with the aircraft's capabilities?
Please, elaborate.. as to how the ability for improving airlift capacity not effect force deployment and supply which in essence increase conventional forces effectiveness?

Of course the fact it is a "rip-off" make no difference to the machine's actual effectiveness and capabilites. And what I really meant to say was the status quo will be all but maintained. India is getting C-17s, if the PAF gets these Y-20s then what is happening other than playing catch up?

 

[SQ8]

Of course the fact it is a "rip-off" make no difference to the machine's actual effectiveness and capabilites. And what I really meant to say was the status quo will be all but maintained. India is getting C-17s, if the PAF gets these Y-20s then what is happening other than playing catch up?

And what is wrong with that? It is an arms race being perpetrated by India is it not? What else does one expect in a race?

 

[Abingdonboy]

And what is wrong with that? It is an arms race being perpetrated by India is it not? What else does one expect in a race?

Hey, I didn't make any such value judgments. There is nothing "wrong" in it per se. It's interesting to hear you call it an "arms race" sir, it really is. Where would you say Pakistan draws the line then? If it really is a race, how can Pakistan hope to keep in the fight?


And is it really a race if the other competitor simply refuses to acknowledge there is one going on and that they are in fact focusing on more menacing opponents (see China).

 

[Donatello]

Hey, I didn't make any such value judgments. There is nothing "wrong" in it per se. It's interesting to hear you call it an "arms race" sir, it really is. Where would you say Pakistan draws the line then? If it really is a race, how can Pakistan hope to keep in the fight?


And is it really a race if the other competitor simply refuses to acknowledge there is one going on and that they are in fact focusing on more menacing opponents (see China).

Pakistan needs to maintain a minimum posture, as in such that if there is a war say with India, it can tell India that while we can take a thrashing, we can punch you in the face as well, so that Indian planners keep that in mind.

Pakistan cannot match India literally as India is 4 times bigger and 6 times more population. If you look at the Combat Aircraft per Capita and number of arms per capita (as in tanks, artillery, submarines) for both Pakistan and India, Pakistan still comes up ahead.

Which means, as Pakistan does not have a threat to deal with on the western side, it can put all it has against India.

Now Y-20 and C-17 is not really an arms race. As long as Pakistan's needs for air lifting are met, it is fine. However, since the recent natural disasters in Pakistan, it is always the PAF or Navy committing their assets to use. Which means it might make sense for Pakistan to Purchase more airlift capability.

 

[Donatello]

Does the fact that its a "rip-off" have anything to do with the aircraft's capabilities?
Please, elaborate.. as to how the ability for improving airlift capacity not effect force deployment and supply which in essence increase conventional forces effectiveness?

One direction Indians don't understand this.....

To the dead, does it matter if death was by a 'rip-off' bullet or an original one?

 

[Abingdonboy]

One direction Indians don't understand this.....

To the dead, does it matter if death was by a 'rip-off' bullet or an original one?

No actually this is something Pakistanis/Chinese constantly throw back in INDIA'S face. The title of the world's biggest arms importer is used to bash India constantly. But your very fair point isn't understood then, apparently it is shameful to import weapons? As if this somehow reduces military effectiveness.


As long as it does the job, who cares right?

 

[SQ8]

And is it really a race if the other competitor simply refuses to acknowledge there is one going on and that they are in fact focusing on more menacing opponents (see China).

I am sure they are focusing on China. And refusal to acknowledge by focusing on someone else does not imply that they are truthfully stating their intentions.