Chinese version of Russian jet endangers bilateral relations

[Peregrine]

Hi,
Very nice pictures BATMAN, but your are encountered with hypocrites here, they only feel at ease if you only talk about Chinese copying, if you will mention Russians and others copying they either will not reply or even if they will they tend to be blind folded to the facts you will give them

 

[DesiGuy]

No chinese technology is copy, the west has copied chinese mathmatical forumals do develop 100% of their technologies you don't see China complaining about it

The reality is ppl are scared to see progress made by Chinese engineers and companies







Now you bring ancient history here!

 

[prototype]

also, how can our stealth frigates and stealth destroyers be based on russian designs when russia itself does not have a stealth air defense destroyer comparable to the 052C?


omg this man is completely giving me goosebumps,he now says russia dont have any stealth frigates and destroyers

 

[WAQAS119]

preferring something, being allowed to do that, and doing it are three different things.

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your sentence should be rephrased like that 'preferring is some other thing and ability to reeng. is some other'

 

[Avatar]

Chinese copy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The term Chinese copy is used to describe a reverse-engineered or otherwise recreated copy of something which bears sufficiently close resemblance to the original item to discount the possibility of it being accidental or the result of similar but unconnected work. Such copies, if produced without the involvement or consent of the original designer, would constitute an infringement of a patent or copyright if these measures are in place. China's long history of disregard of intellectual property law has led to the promulgation of the notion that most of these copies are produced in the People's Republic of China.

A key distinction between a "Chinese copy" and a "carbon copy" is that a carbon copy is identical to the original in every respect, while a Chinese copy is often characterised by being of similar appearance but at the same time significantly inferior quality.

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[Jun]

let's wait for 20 more years and see who is copying who

 

[Luftwaffe]

So let me define the limits of Chinese marvels be haunted Chinese are already working on indigenous SU-30 aka J-11 variant. talk about su-27 copy? genius are coming up with su-30s by next 3-4 years engine problems will be resolved. Now can you endians do anything about it? who gives fk about copies if you can make something and be in possession of something valuable potent sanction free that outclasses outsmarts your enemy and satisfies you needs than go for it! rightly Chinese are doing it!..Case closed.
j-11b

presumed J-11c as it says more or less like su-33/su-35

 

[Avatar]

So let me define the limits of Chinese marvels be haunted Chinese are already working on indigenous SU-30 aka J-11 variant. talk about su-27 copy? genius are coming up with su-30s by next 3-4 years engine problems will be resolved. Now can you endians do anything about it? who gives fk about copies if you can make something and be in possession of something valuable potent sanction free that outclasses outsmarts your enemy and satisfies you needs than go for it! rightly Chinese are doing it!..Case closed.

First you call it indigenous and then you call it a copy. Do you mean "Indigenously Copied" ?

Pictures are only half the picture. The real deal is what's inside, and I hope we find that out some day.

Oh and what is an "endian" ?

 

[below_freezing]

also, how can our stealth frigates and stealth destroyers be based on russian designs when russia itself does not have a stealth air defense destroyer comparable to the 052C?


omg this man is completely giving me goosebumps,he now says russia dont have any stealth frigates and destroyers

can you tell me the longest range of a Russian navy air defense missile? think it's the 9M330 on the Udaloy class.

"Weighing in at 167 kg (368 lb), the 9M330 missile is 3.5 m (11.5 ft) long, carries a 15 kg (33 lb) warhead and has a peak speed of around Mach 2.8. Utilizing command guidance and radar controlled proximity fuzes, the missiles can maneuver at up to 30Gs and engage targets flying at up to Mach 2. Each missile is a sealed round, stored in two groups of four. Engagement range is up to 12 km (1-7.5 miles) with minimum range varying between 100-2000 m (328-5,621 feet), depending upon version and an effective altitude of 10-6000 m (33-20,000 ft).[10]"

Tor missile system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or what about the 9М38 on the Sovermeny with a pitiful 30 km range?

compared to our air defense destroyers with 200 km range coverage thanks to the HHQ-9?

Compare stealth:

Photo of Russian Udaloy Class: File:AdmiralVinogradov2009.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As you can see, there is significant surface architecture and curves, making a large RCS almost impossible to avoid.

Photo of the 052C:
File:Fleet Hangchow Bay Bridge-1-.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Almost no architecture on the surfaces, which are completely smooth and clean, making RCS much smaller.

Do you want to compare naval radars:

Ukranian naval radar (itself representative of Soviet level equipment): 160 km range

Type 348 chinese naval radar: 350 km range.

so why would we copy something inferior?

 

[Luftwaffe]

avatar not you fool again...copy is something look alike but when u make it from scratch with you own material it becomes indigenous for you means you do not import material and equipments from other external or original source. if you have brains enough to understand. Don't get burned inside outside better through that your thick skull Chinese are moving away from dependency they've multiple project for electronics systems radars etc to completely get rid of russian equipment, i am sure senior indian members know that.

 

[duhastmish]

why go for crapish chinese junk - they copy russian stuff , which is already cheap and avilable easily.

any body would rather spend a few extra bucks n get original stuff. if they can get their hands on it.

which countries are goig nfor chinese junk ???? paksitan because its on soft loan and they cant get hand on russian stuff and eruopean stuff is too expensive which they cant afford.

chinese nomatter how hard they try to copy 35 yrs old su-27 , they cant match the original stuff. because they dotn have those avionics engine or experience.

 

[Avatar]

avatar not you fool again...copy is something look alike but when u make it from scratch with you own material it becomes indigenous for you means you do not import material and equipments from other external or original source. if you have brains enough to understand. Don't get burned inside outside better through that your thick skull Chinese are moving away from dependency they've multiple project for electronics systems radars etc to completely get rid of russian equipment, i am sure senior indian members know that.

Are you BLIND ?

Just LOOK at the two fighters and tell me what difference can you see ?

China is already know for copying expensive western products and selling cheap Chinese copies ...but to buy and copy a Fighter Jet ...wow China really doesn't have much shame does it ?

If they could make something better than the original then they would make an original, there would be no need to copy.

You call it better than Su-27 just to convince your ego. Come down to reality.

 

[rohailmalhi]

I dont think copying is bad thing .everybody do copying .like america used germans and other design to perfect thm.
It just matter of time our chinese brothers will be making better things than any other country .They are trying hard .and they will succeed one day .
Even now there product are good .

 

[rohailmalhi]

as far as copying is concerned .only a genius can do the reverse engineering and Chinese are doing that.
Arent they are far better than indians claiming to produce things indigiously with sum indigious part being imported from sum other countries. (rofl)

 

[chinapakistan]

why go for crapish chinese junk - they copy russian stuff , which is already cheap and avilable easily.

any body would rather spend a few extra bucks n get original stuff. if they can get their hands on it.

which countries are goig nfor chinese junk ???? paksitan because its on soft loan and they cant get hand on russian stuff and eruopean stuff is too expensive which they cant afford.

chinese nomatter how hard they try to copy 35 yrs old su-27 , they cant match the original stuff. because they dotn have those avionics engine or experience.

At least we can make our own jets and export them, unlike some country only know how to pay money to buy one. At least we didnt crash 300 jets during 20 years. By the way, can some country even provide stable electrisic power? It is very sad to see a country has almost no industries, what a pity.