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Drone swarms vs conventional arms: China’s military debate (Nikkei's FT - 2017-08-25)
As is Washington. “Clearly the US and China are in some sort of weird swarm race,” says Paul Scharre, a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security who writes on military robotics. “A swarm with 10 more individual drones isn’t necessarily better. What matters are the things you can’t see. It’s the algorithms that govern the swarm behaviour.”
China insists it is now on an even footing with the US on drones, with CETC saying it has “made some major breakthroughs”. But experts warn that mature swarm technology is still a long way off and will require developing the necessary technology to boost communication between the drones, methods to keep them in the air longer and a modern military capable of deploying the swarms effectively.
It is hard to assess the claim that China’s technology is superior to that of the US, says Mr Scharre. The US military operates about 7,000 drones. Analysts say there could be at least 1,300 currently in operation between the Chinese army and air force, although none have been used in offensive missions.
https://www.ft.com/content/302fc14a-66ef-11e7-8526-7b38dcaef614
SORRY, link is under PAYWALL!
I didn't realize the article is put behind the Paywall, at that late hour I posted it I could access the whole article
but now it's gone and I keep no copy 
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Drone swarms China’s Way to Win Future War (2017-08-27)
Financial Times says in its recent article “Drone swarm vs conventional arms: China’s military debate” that there is debate in China’s military whether China shall focus on expensive conventional arms such as aircraft carriers, stealth warplanes, etc. OR pursue a new generation of weapons with revolutionary strategy that uses large number of cheap arms coordinated with advanced software to outdo the above-mentioned very expensive conventional arms.
The article specifically discusses the new system of drone swarm. It says that there is debate in Chinese military whether to stick to the old strategy of developing conventional expensive weapons or switch to new systems of much cheaper drone swarm.
China has a boom in developing, producing and exporting drones in which China’s private enterprises play a very important role as drones are both military and civilian.
The article says Chinese President Xi Jinping created a Military-Civil Integration Development Commission with himself as head. This commission enables China’s private enterprises to play an increasingly important role in weapon development as they develop technology for both civilian and military application.
That shows that Xi, as the leader with centralized power approves the new strategy; therefore the debate is but the writer of the article’s invention.
The article says that swarm technology can reverse the trend of the deployment of fewer but more advanced and expensive weapon platforms. It regards drone swarm as the next generation of weapon that may outdo sophisticated technology systems by the sheer numbers of autonomous drones.
The article quotes Elsa Kania, an independent researcher on Chinese military affair, as saying, “The People’s Liberation Army anticipates that swarm intelligence and swarming tactics could serve as an asymmetric means to target high-value US weapons platforms.”
True enough on June 11 China Electronics Technology Group, a state-owned high-tech company, showcases its world’s largest swarm of 119 drones controlled by software of artificial intelligence, breaking US-held record.
As China is now the world’s factory able to produce large quantity of low-cost goods, the article believes that the tactical trend of using lots of robots to outdo sophisticated weapons clearly favors China.
It says, “Another trend favouring China is that next-generation defence technologies are more and more indistinguishable from the civilian technologies mass produced in cities like Shenzhen.”
“A third trend favouring China is that software has become more important than hardware.”
It seems that the article believes that China will surpass the US militarily if robot warfare prevails in the future.
Commenting on Financial Times’ article, full text of which can be found at https://www.ft.com/content/302fc14a-66ef-11e7-8526-7b38dcaef614.
As is Washington. “Clearly the US and China are in some sort of weird swarm race,” says Paul Scharre, a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security who writes on military robotics. “A swarm with 10 more individual drones isn’t necessarily better. What matters are the things you can’t see. It’s the algorithms that govern the swarm behaviour.”
China insists it is now on an even footing with the US on drones, with CETC saying it has “made some major breakthroughs”. But experts warn that mature swarm technology is still a long way off and will require developing the necessary technology to boost communication between the drones, methods to keep them in the air longer and a modern military capable of deploying the swarms effectively.
It is hard to assess the claim that China’s technology is superior to that of the US, says Mr Scharre. The US military operates about 7,000 drones. Analysts say there could be at least 1,300 currently in operation between the Chinese army and air force, although none have been used in offensive missions.
https://www.ft.com/content/302fc14a-66ef-11e7-8526-7b38dcaef614
SORRY, link is under PAYWALL!
I didn't realize the article is put behind the Paywall, at that late hour I posted it I could access the whole article
but now it's gone and I keep no copy -----------------------------------------------
Drone swarms China’s Way to Win Future War (2017-08-27)
Financial Times says in its recent article “Drone swarm vs conventional arms: China’s military debate” that there is debate in China’s military whether China shall focus on expensive conventional arms such as aircraft carriers, stealth warplanes, etc. OR pursue a new generation of weapons with revolutionary strategy that uses large number of cheap arms coordinated with advanced software to outdo the above-mentioned very expensive conventional arms.
The article specifically discusses the new system of drone swarm. It says that there is debate in Chinese military whether to stick to the old strategy of developing conventional expensive weapons or switch to new systems of much cheaper drone swarm.
China has a boom in developing, producing and exporting drones in which China’s private enterprises play a very important role as drones are both military and civilian.
The article says Chinese President Xi Jinping created a Military-Civil Integration Development Commission with himself as head. This commission enables China’s private enterprises to play an increasingly important role in weapon development as they develop technology for both civilian and military application.
That shows that Xi, as the leader with centralized power approves the new strategy; therefore the debate is but the writer of the article’s invention.
The article says that swarm technology can reverse the trend of the deployment of fewer but more advanced and expensive weapon platforms. It regards drone swarm as the next generation of weapon that may outdo sophisticated technology systems by the sheer numbers of autonomous drones.
The article quotes Elsa Kania, an independent researcher on Chinese military affair, as saying, “The People’s Liberation Army anticipates that swarm intelligence and swarming tactics could serve as an asymmetric means to target high-value US weapons platforms.”
True enough on June 11 China Electronics Technology Group, a state-owned high-tech company, showcases its world’s largest swarm of 119 drones controlled by software of artificial intelligence, breaking US-held record.
As China is now the world’s factory able to produce large quantity of low-cost goods, the article believes that the tactical trend of using lots of robots to outdo sophisticated weapons clearly favors China.
It says, “Another trend favouring China is that next-generation defence technologies are more and more indistinguishable from the civilian technologies mass produced in cities like Shenzhen.”
“A third trend favouring China is that software has become more important than hardware.”
It seems that the article believes that China will surpass the US militarily if robot warfare prevails in the future.
Commenting on Financial Times’ article, full text of which can be found at https://www.ft.com/content/302fc14a-66ef-11e7-8526-7b38dcaef614.
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China‘s Latest Weapon - Drone Swarms that Can Attack Simultaneously
By Steve Dellar | 08-26-2017 News
In order to keep up with the US, which still outspends China four to one in military hardware, the Chinese have been developing drones that can fly and attack in a swarm.
According to an in-depth review by the British Financial Times the Chinese government is at a breaking point in the discussion about which way to go: further technological advance or more troops and hardware. Some of the general staff want to rely on the sheer size of China’s possible reserves and add planes and ships, whilst the younger generation is intoxicated by technological advances. Xi Jinping, China’s president, will have the final word.
At a June 11 demonstration of “swarm” technology by China Electronics Technology Group, which is a cover for a state-owned high-tech company, the Chinese managed to simultaneously fly 119 drones. That made it the world’s largest-ever swarm which broke a US-held record (that video is for some reason no longer available on youtube).
For the past twenty years China has tried to modernise its military by developing stealth fighters, guided missile destroyers and ballistic “carrier killer” missiles, whilst at the same time reducing troop numbers. In 2017, it is estimated It will spend at least $152bn on its military.
Randall Steeb, engineer with the Rand Corporation in the US has seen their advance. He commented: “This goes all the way back to the tactics of Attila the Hun. A light attack force that can defeat more powerful and sophisticated opponents. They come out of nowhere, attack from all sides and then disappear, over and over.”
The Russians have also noticed the development of their southern border neighbour. Whereas for the past decades it was mostly the Soviets that were matching up to the US military, China is clearly overtaking that role. Mr Vasily Kashin, who is Russia’s expert when it comes to Chinese military developments and is employed by the Higher School of Economics in Moscow, declared that: “Swarming is currently considered to be one of the most promising areas of defence technology development in the world. The Chinese are prioritising it.”
Source: ft.com/content/302fc14a-66ef-11e7-8526-7b38dcaef614
By Steve Dellar | 08-26-2017 News
In order to keep up with the US, which still outspends China four to one in military hardware, the Chinese have been developing drones that can fly and attack in a swarm.
According to an in-depth review by the British Financial Times the Chinese government is at a breaking point in the discussion about which way to go: further technological advance or more troops and hardware. Some of the general staff want to rely on the sheer size of China’s possible reserves and add planes and ships, whilst the younger generation is intoxicated by technological advances. Xi Jinping, China’s president, will have the final word.
At a June 11 demonstration of “swarm” technology by China Electronics Technology Group, which is a cover for a state-owned high-tech company, the Chinese managed to simultaneously fly 119 drones. That made it the world’s largest-ever swarm which broke a US-held record (that video is for some reason no longer available on youtube).
For the past twenty years China has tried to modernise its military by developing stealth fighters, guided missile destroyers and ballistic “carrier killer” missiles, whilst at the same time reducing troop numbers. In 2017, it is estimated It will spend at least $152bn on its military.
Randall Steeb, engineer with the Rand Corporation in the US has seen their advance. He commented: “This goes all the way back to the tactics of Attila the Hun. A light attack force that can defeat more powerful and sophisticated opponents. They come out of nowhere, attack from all sides and then disappear, over and over.”
The Russians have also noticed the development of their southern border neighbour. Whereas for the past decades it was mostly the Soviets that were matching up to the US military, China is clearly overtaking that role. Mr Vasily Kashin, who is Russia’s expert when it comes to Chinese military developments and is employed by the Higher School of Economics in Moscow, declared that: “Swarming is currently considered to be one of the most promising areas of defence technology development in the world. The Chinese are prioritising it.”
Source: ft.com/content/302fc14a-66ef-11e7-8526-7b38dcaef614
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TB-001
This attack drone can carry about a ton of payload.
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Other projects were still in their miniature model forms. For example, a new Chinese attack drone, the 2.8-ton Tengoen TB-001, made its debut. Armed with glide bombs, anti-tank missiles, and laser-guided munitions, it has enough fuel for 35 hours of operations. With satellite communications, it can be operated up to 1,860 miles away from the ground control station.
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World's first 'freight drone' will take to the sky in China next month
2017-09-22 09:16
People's Daily Online Editor:Li Yan
A large drone for freight transportation in China is planned to make its first flight next month. The drone, a light multi-role plane modified by Chinese research institutes, will be the world's first large unmanned aerial vehicle used to transport freight, China Daily reported on Sep.20, 2017. (Photo/Official Sina Weibo account of China Daily)
A large drone for freight transportation in China is planned to make its first flight next month. The drone, a light multi-role plane modified by Chinese research institutes, will be the world's first large unmanned aerial vehicle used to transport freight, China Daily reported on Sep.20, 2017. (Photo/Official Sina Weibo account of China Daily)
A large drone for freight transportation in China is planned to make its first flight next month. The drone, a light multi-role plane modified by Chinese research institutes, will be the world's first large unmanned aerial vehicle used to transport freight, China Daily reported on Sep.20, 2017. (Photo/Official Sina Weibo account of China Daily)
A large drone for freight transportation in China is planned to make its first flight next month. The drone, a light multi-role plane modified by Chinese research institutes, will be the world's first large unmanned aerial vehicle used to transport freight, China Daily reported on Sep.20, 2017. (Photo/Official Sina Weibo account of China Daily)
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CH-T1CH-? ground-effect UAV: MTOW 3,000 kg, Max load weight 1,000 kg, duration 1.5 hours, cruise altitude 1~6 m via CD老天
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Do we know what's the status of the Sharp Sword UCAV? There was a rumor that it was about to enter service/production.
Since, China currently is attracting ukrainian experts to conduct R&D within the country, this is the right moment to employ theirs knowledge and experience and with their assistance, start the development of the whole array of the light and medium turboprops engines
Its a shame for the country who managed to build J 20 and Y 20 to import some small turboprop airplanes from America. With the new engines, AVIC could be building advanced trainer, smaller business/passengers airplanes, or even bigger drones as IAI Heron. Thats should be among top priorities for AVIC
Russia has the project for modernized AN 2 production, but in reality they can do crap since projects features damn american Honeywell engine and zero domestic engines exists. This is greate opportunity for China
Its a shame for the country who managed to build J 20 and Y 20 to import some small turboprop airplanes from America. With the new engines, AVIC could be building advanced trainer, smaller business/passengers airplanes, or even bigger drones as IAI Heron. Thats should be among top priorities for AVIC
Russia has the project for modernized AN 2 production, but in reality they can do crap since projects features damn american Honeywell engine and zero domestic engines exists. This is greate opportunity for China
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I'm not sure why China is that weak in turboshafts for its helicopters. It's proceeding rather smoothly when it comes to turbofans, Taihang series, but it's a whole different story with their turboshafts. Why do the Chinese have to partner with the French to make a 1500 kW engine for their underpowered Z-10? I guess it's just a matter of priorities ...
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CH-5 successfully completed targets practice with 100kg laser guided smart bombs and 80kg air to land missiles
彩虹-5完成了新型100公斤激光制导炸弹和80公斤空地导弹的靶试
彩虹-5完成了新型100公斤激光制导炸弹和80公斤空地导弹的靶试
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