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Chinese students have helped bankroll the US economy. Now fewer want to study here and it risks America's position as a global leader

ROFL. Do you want to compare the spam commiebots post on PDF vs what is posted against China?



Percentages will always remain by definition. In comparison to the rest of the world, Americans are indeed pretty rich.

Actually, never mind. Commiebots were given free reign to spam this forum back when USA was a favorite villain. With the software update currently being downloaded, this will be fixed soon enough. :D

Any comments against American imperialism and bullying are commies. Oh if so I'd sign up, even though I'm not even distantly related to any communism. Let it be -- you the pathetic and I the commie not commie.
 
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"Chinese students have helped bankroll the US economy."

Well, let's see. Assume 500,000 students, each spending $100,000 on fees and another $50,000 for luxurious student living. (I know, I know, but let us be generous in our estimates.)

500,000 x 150,000 = $75 billion. (At most. If that.)

In a $23 trillion economy, that is about 0.33%, roughly one third of one percent. Bankrollers? Hardly. :D
 
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"Chinese students have helped bankroll the US economy."

Well, let's see. Assume 500,000 students, each spending $100,000 on fees and another $50,000 for luxurious student living. (I know, I know, but let us be generous in our estimates.)

500,000 x 150,000 = $75 billion. (At most. If that.)

In a $23 trillion economy, that is about 0.33%, roughly one third of one percent. Bankrollers? Hardly. :D
It's 15 billion $'s a year and not 75 billion $. But you're right we is doomed 😭

 
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Never mind the tinge of racism in this thread, as long as the US remains an immigrant country, we will never run out of the world's best talents coming to the US and keeping US great. There are no 'risks' here.
Don't be such a hypocrite.
There is plenty of racism in the USA and the West.

Just because they claim on paper to be inclusive and tolerant doesn't mean the people are.

I have experienced racism and discrimination and racist slurs.

Never mind the tinge of racism in this thread, as long as the US remains an immigrant country, we will never run out of the world's best talents coming to the US and keeping US great. There are no 'risks' here.
Have you been living in a basement?

The Saudi ulema or religious scholars share similar views with this man called Dr. Zakir Naik who believes and says 9/11 attacks was an American inside job.

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And not surprisingly my friends ARAMCO, tell me that the Saudi hierarchy dislikes USA, and are pro-China themselves.

Also because the Saudi elites see China as an alternative to the "so-called" West such as Western Europe and North America.

@beijingwalker
@Beast
 
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Did you actually think the Saudi locals and Pakistani locals believe the American crock of bullshit 9/11 narrative?

People in the Middle East and in Asia believe something quite differently about the 9/11 attacks and the Iraq war and Afghanistan war.

Or somebody said it fans Anti-American sentiment in the Middle East, Asia, South America, and Europe, or you are endangering their lives.
 
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"Chinese students have helped bankroll the US economy."

Well, let's see. Assume 500,000 students, each spending $100,000 on fees and another $50,000 for luxurious student living. (I know, I know, but let us be generous in our estimates.)

500,000 x 150,000 = $75 billion. (At most. If that.)

In a $23 trillion economy, that is about 0.33%, roughly one third of one percent. Bankrollers? Hardly. :D
It is 'Chinese math'. Similar to 'Chinese physics' that made possible the J-20 fly the way RC planes can.
 
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While this may be true, Chinese students are still flocking to the US, UK, Canada and Australia amongst others. The trends may change occasionally but that's also due to Covid and the restrictions in place in China. Many of my Chinese friends have deferred their offers over the past two years.
 
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While this may be true, Chinese students are still flocking to the US, UK, Canada and Australia amongst others. The trends may change occasionally but that's also due to Covid and the restrictions in place in China. Many of my Chinese friends have deferred their offers over the past two years.
of course, not everyone that takes and passes the gaokao will be accepted into Chinese universities. Demand for university seats far outstrips supply in China. The US has also tightened visa rules for Chinese students looking for employment contributing to the decline in number of Chinese students applying to US universities.

 
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While this may be true, Chinese students are still flocking to the US, UK, Canada and Australia amongst others. The trends may change occasionally but that's also due to Covid and the restrictions in place in China. Many of my Chinese friends have deferred their offers over the past two years.
This doesn't explain the trend that more switched to UK and Singapore
 
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"Chinese students have helped bankroll the US economy."

Well, let's see. Assume 500,000 students, each spending $100,000 on fees and another $50,000 for luxurious student living. (I know, I know, but let us be generous in our estimates.)

500,000 x 150,000 = $75 billion. (At most. If that.)

In a $23 trillion economy, that is about 0.33%, roughly one third of one percent. Bankrollers? Hardly. :D

Apparently I guess the narrative is before the Chinese students started coming here 15-20 years ago US colleges were just a bastion of poverty and fourth rate teachers...however the Chinese students saw this terrible situation and decided out of the goodness of all their hearts they'd each pay insane ~$100,000 in fees and bail out US colleges and make them the "world leaders". Now without them they go back to being not "world leaders".
 
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This doesn't explain the trend that more switched to UK and Singapore

The Chinese enrollment in the UK was only 25,000 last year and 21,000 the year before. The number in the US is in the hundreds of thousands.

There's only 164 Universities in the UK and 4,000 in the US.

Any so-called "switch" to the UK is minor when looking at the big picture.

BTW Singapore has only 34 Universities.

Saying any significant change in the enrollment of hundreds of thousands of Chinese students is due to them "switching" to the UK or Singapore is ludicrous.
 
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This doesn't explain the trend that more switched to UK and Singapore
I think UK has been a lucrative destination in recent years, thanks to its one year masters and also the post study work visas. Singapore still attracts the best and brightest and the numbers are comparatively low.
 
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The Chinese enrollment in the UK was only 25,000 last year and 21,000 the year before. The number in the US is in the hundreds of thousands.

There's only 164 Universities in the UK and 4,000 in the US.

Any so-called "switch" to the UK is minor when looking at the big picture.

BTW Singapore has only 34 Universities.

Saying any significant change in the enrollment of hundreds of thousands of Chinese students is due to them "switching" to the UK or Singapore is ludicrous.
Then why they worry so much?

Fortune magazine reported an 18% decline in the number of Chinese students’ applications for US universities for the 2022 academic year, compared with 2021. The US Student and Exchange Visitor Program issued a report in April, saying there were 348,992 Chinese students in the United States last year, 33,569 fewer than 2020.

Decline in Chinese Students in the US Is a Bad Sign

Polls in China show that younger people — those born in the 1990s and later — have a more negative image of America than their parents do.

By Adam Minter
2022年8月15日 GMT+8 20:30

China's ambitious students and their parents once dreamed of acquiring an American university education. Now that dream is dying.

During the first half of 2022, US student visas issued to Chinese nationals plummeted more than 50% compared with pre-pandemic levels, according to a Thursday report in the Wall Street Journal. The US isn't directly limiting the number of visas. Rather, China's Covid restrictions, combined with the increasingly unfavorable opinion of the US held by younger people, are giving the Chinese second thoughts about a US education.

This is bad news for financially strapped US educational institutions, many of which rely on international students paying full price. But more will be lost than billions in tuition.

Chinese with experience living and traveling in the US generally have a better opinion of the country than those who don't. As their numbers decline, the US and China alike lose a crucial means of bridging the bitter relationship between rival superpowers.

China's infatuation with US education has paralleled its economic opening. In 1978, Deng Xiaoping announced his intention to send “thousands or tens of thousands of students to receive overseas education.” His goal was to rebuild China's scientific community and acumen after the destructive, anti-intellectual excesses of the Cultural Revolution.

In 1978, the first 3,000 students and scholars went abroad. From the start, US institutions were a top destination: 1,000 Chinese students enrolled for the 1979-80 academic year.

The attraction was multifaceted. US science and engineering programs were top-ranked, and students were ensured of good career prospects after graduation. American affluence and lifestyles, often conveyed via films, music and other cultural products, added to the allure.

So, too, did perceived political and economic instability in China. During the 2003-4 school year, 61,765 Chinese students enrolled in the US, a little over 10% of the total population of foreign students.

As China became more affluent, sending a child abroad to study became an attainable middle-class aspiration . For many families, it also became an implicit rebuke of a Chinese university admission system that prioritizes a single test — the gaokao — over academic and extracurricular achievements.

Admission to an overseas higher education program doesn't require the gaokao, and thus became an attainable way to circumvent the system. During the 2009-2010 school year, 127,628 Chinese nationals enrolled in US institutions; for 2019-2020, there were 372,532 — nearly 35% of all foreign students in the US.

Early on, it became apparent that most Chinese students weren't returning home. But rather than harangue or require students to go home, the Chinese authorities evolved to see an educated citizenry abroad as an asset (sometimes referred to as “storing brain power overseas”).

Overseas students and graduates were encouraged to start companies and invest back home. Less benignly for the US, they were also engaged in pro-China advocacy groups and in technology and financial transfers via foreign direct investment, joint ventures, talent acquisition and espionage (the volume of espionage remains a matter of debate). Over the years, these transfers became a matter of deep concern to US business and government officials.

But to a large extent these students were also viewed as means of diplomacy who might, in the words of then Chinese ambassador to the US, Yang Jiechi, “promote exchanges and cooperation between the countries.”

That certainly was the case in the 2000s and early 2010s, when I lived in Shanghai and when survey data suggests Chinese regard for the US was at its peak. Young Chinese who'd studied in the US played active roles in business, educational networking organizations and philanthropy, and were mainstays at restaurants, bookstores and other recreational venues frequented by expatriates.

This wasn't entirely surprising: Survey data published earlier this year shows that Chinese (especially younger Chinese) with experience studying or traveling in the US have more positive attitudes toward it. At best these interactions promoted more investment, tourism, student applications, and ultimately partnerships, friendships and hard-to-sever commercial and personal ties.

Those ties and positive impressions have been tested over the last decade. Geopolitics, especially over disputed territories like Taiwan, have soured many Chinese on the US. Meanwhile, the admiration that many Chinese had for American political, social and economic stability has been undermined by news — often amplified by China's ubiquitous state media — of deepening race and class issues, gun violence and urban crime.

Finally, the Donald Trump administration's needlessly confrontational attitude toward the academic exchanges continues to exact damage — initiatives that restricted or even barred Chinese researchers and students from the US, or subjected Chinese and Chinese-American scientists to criminal investigations based on their ethnicity.

Late 2021 survey results found that 62% of Chinese polled had a negative perception of the US. Even more disturbing, these results and others show that younger Chinese — those born in the 1990s and later — tend to have a more negative image of the US than their parents do.

 
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