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Chinese stock market likely to bottom out: experts

English.news.cn 2015-07-05 17:11:24
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BEIJING, July 5 (Xinhua) -- After three weeks of plunge, the stock market is likely to stabilize with the help of a string of supportive measures, several analyst have said.


Following weeks of decline, investors' willingness to further sell has declined and the benchmark Shanghai Composite Index is expected to bottom out gradually, Xinhua-run China Securities Journal quoted Chen Jianhua, an analyst with Yintai Securities, as saying.

The Chinese stock market was among the world's best performers earlier this year, with the key Shanghai Composite Index surging more than 150 percent in 12 months, partly fueled by margin trading. The index dived 5.77 percent to finish at 3,686.92 points on Friday, due to margin traders unwinding their positions and collecting profits.

The index is near the bull or bear market threshold, and it would likely stabilize next week after the recent raft of supportive measures, echoed Fu Ziheng, a senior analyst with Wanlian Securities.

"But whether the index can register a strong rebound next week is up to the balance of the strength between buyers and sellers," Fu told the newspaper.


Twenty-eight Chinese companies having obtained permission from the securities watchdog for initial public offerings (IPOs) announced Saturday evening they would postpone follow-up issue of shares.

Separately on Saturday, China's 21 major securities brokers announced they would spend no less than 120 billion yuan (19.62 billion U.S. dollars), or 15 percent of their total net assets, on exchange traded funds (ETF) that track the performance of blue chip stocks, to arrest the market slump.

"After the market correction, shares with solid growth potential and strong profitability enjoy sunny prospects," said Chen.


@TaiShang @AndrewJin get your money ready in the next few weeks or so to buy low and sell high :)
 
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Chinese stock market likely to bottom out: experts

English.news.cn 2015-07-05 17:11:24
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BEIJING, July 5 (Xinhua) -- After three weeks of plunge, the stock market is likely to stabilize with the help of a string of supportive measures, several analyst have said.


Following weeks of decline, investors' willingness to further sell has declined and the benchmark Shanghai Composite Index is expected to bottom out gradually, Xinhua-run China Securities Journal quoted Chen Jianhua, an analyst with Yintai Securities, as saying.

The Chinese stock market was among the world's best performers earlier this year, with the key Shanghai Composite Index surging more than 150 percent in 12 months, partly fueled by margin trading. The index dived 5.77 percent to finish at 3,686.92 points on Friday, due to margin traders unwinding their positions and collecting profits.

The index is near the bull or bear market threshold, and it would likely stabilize next week after the recent raft of supportive measures, echoed Fu Ziheng, a senior analyst with Wanlian Securities.

"But whether the index can register a strong rebound next week is up to the balance of the strength between buyers and sellers," Fu told the newspaper.


Twenty-eight Chinese companies having obtained permission from the securities watchdog for initial public offerings (IPOs) announced Saturday evening they would postpone follow-up issue of shares.

Separately on Saturday, China's 21 major securities brokers announced they would spend no less than 120 billion yuan (19.62 billion U.S. dollars), or 15 percent of their total net assets, on exchange traded funds (ETF) that track the performance of blue chip stocks, to arrest the market slump.

"After the market correction, shares with solid growth potential and strong profitability enjoy sunny prospects," said Chen.


@TaiShang @AndrewJin get your money ready in the next few weeks or so to buy low and sell high :)
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My intuition is that it will eventually fall to between 2000~2500, then the cycle will start anew. That's pretty much how most of stock markets performs.

Oh, I would watch NYSE too. I would be surprised if it took a dive too within two years.

Let's hope for that.
 
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I doubt that, my friend. He gives an interesting analysis that others fail to report, he gives an all encompassing analysis.

He is a graduate of Shanghai International Studies University, graduated Summa Cum Laude; he earned his Masters at Harvard University , Magna Cum Laude. Earned his Ph.D at Pittsburgh University, Magna Cum Laude.

He is a distinguished and well published academic , an associate professor at Claremont College, and had served as a distinguished Visiting Professor in Japan.

He has a wealth of 'technical' knowledge pertaining to his trade: Political Science, Economics.



That sector is booming, so i encourage you to research first before you open a portfolio. Right now, the areas that are growing and have long term dividends are the medical sector. So much money there.

:)

Just got an information from my boss, he's pulling all his money out of China and he asks me not to invest in China for now.

When I asked him if it's because of Greece, he says, "China is slowing down massively".

Can u confirm it?
 
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Its always a problem, whether its rapid rise or rapid fall

If you take a look at the Indian Stock Market
Market capitalization of BSE Sensex and Nifty stands at 1.70 Trillion USD and 1.40 Trillion USD respectively.

In year 2007, both these indices were at 500 - 550 Billion USD

So its a relatively slow rise, which included the Year 2008 Crash when Combined Market cap fell from 1.60 Trillion USD to 900 Billion USD, in a span of 8 months

China I believe is witnessing a correction, but the fall has been far to quickly for many pundits to digest.

Indian Stock markets are currently trading at 8% below lifetime high, achieved in march,
 
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Just got an information from my boss, he's pulling all his money out of China and he asks me not to invest in China for now.

When I asked him if it's because of Greece, he says, "China is slowing down massively".

Can u confirm it?
Ur boss is smart ... and u'd better ask more, whether he earn money or left some money in China stock market ?
 
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Yes, I can confirm, generally, across most sectors.

There will be a huge repercussion in SG. :(

Ur boss is smart ... and u'd better ask more, whether he earn money or left some money in China stock market ?

He is my boss because he's smart.

He's planning to move all his money for now, I have no idea where he's going to put it.
 
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Yes, I can confirm, generally, across most sectors.

Its a very well know fact to all those that do business with China that the chinese economy has been slowing down significantly for some time. Government statements as well as economic figures can't be trusted since they are politically motivated and are often meant to influence the markets.

The chinese stock market increased 150% in the last year. That's a massive bubble. Its unsustainable and in the end, gravity always work, what goes up, eventually comes down, ignore that at your own peril.

Now the chinese government is essentially manipulating the market in order to prop it up. Big mistake, its only delaying the inevitable outcome and it will make things much worse in the end. The 2008 crash in the west gave a good blueprint about what things not to do, regrettably, the chinese government is not learning from that. Making money easily available to spend in stocks and using your house as collateral to get loans for stock market investment? Amazing, that will only get more people into the poorhouse.

The only thing that remains to be seen is how big the crash / correction will be.

There will be a huge repercussion in SG. :(



He is my boss because he's smart.

He's planning to move all his money for now, I have no idea where he's going to put it.

You have an smart boss and he is not the only one, anybody smart enough will sell, and fast.
 
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:(He is my boss because he's smart.

He's planning to move all his money for now, I have no idea where he's going to put it.
HAHA ... ur BOSS just tell u no fast food eating in China stock market, here no chance to earn hot money, later it will be slowly increase not rapidly grow fast like months ago. As far as my experience to current China stock market, if ur BOSS escape before May 4,500~5,000, he earn many money ... or quit after June, he might lost money or lost most benefits after two-week crash.

Recent days, in Chinese military forums our members discuss China stock market more than military stuffs ... that's suprise to me, here in PDF members also discuss it ... Well the bad news is China stock market really fall down due to half-year rapidly grow, the good news is China economy becoming important to affect whole world, true N.o2 power in economy as i said ... next month China stock market will slowly increase, crash won't happen.

To those guys lost money in this crazy China stock market ... after 4~6 years next crazy stock bubble u can get them back, soon or later u will get uesd to it like most Chinese shareholders in China stock market.

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Stock Slump Casualty: The Myth of Chinese Exceptionalism

China’s dramatic stock market plunge and the resulting uncertainty as to how Beijing will try to manage the situation are calling China’s economic growth and political stability into question. This financial risk story could ultimately have much greater implications for the global economy than the Greek debt drama much of the world is currently fixated on. Yet it is also one of widespread myths and hubris.

As data points fly later today and over the course of the week, it’s important to consider the structural factors behind the current difficulties. The more one considers the larger picture, the less the latest developments should be surprising. The bottom line is that China is not as exceptional as its leaders claim, or as some Chinese and foreigners imagine. It is not immune to laws of economics, the business cycle, or the gradual slowing of national economic growth and power accretion that typically besets maturing societies. And Beijing has not created a superior hybrid state-market model that can miraculously reap the benefits of more market- and legally-oriented economies while avoiding their drawbacks. Instead, it has created a massive bureaucracy that is strong and concentrated in some respects, but weak and conflicted in others. Moving forward, in assessing China’s prospects, analysts need to take a hard look—in part by considering the issues outlined below.

The last few quarters should have sounded alarm bells for more investors as China’s stock market completely decoupled from the country’s weak underlying economic fundamentals. The market rose meteorically, traded on easily available funds and massive leverage, and eschewed fundamental analysis of China’s rapidly slowing real economy and largely tepid consumer economy. Real economy indicators suggested that China’s stock market rally was not underpinned by robust “bricks and mortar” activity.

One had only to consider the “Keqiang Index,” an aggregation of statistics concerning electricity consumption, rail cargo volume, and amount of loans disbursed. The resulting figure — reportedly advocated as a more accurate metric of real Chinese economic activity by Premier Li Keqiang himself — suggested substantially lower GDP growth than did official numbers. Even these official figures, which Premier Li reportedly denounced as “man-made,” had themselves been ebbing. Tellingly, before the downdraft began, the Shanghai Stock Exchange had risen approximately 150% in the past year, while electricity consumption had basically flat-lined for the past five months and counting.

So why wasn’t China’s vaunted bureaucracy able to head off this policy train wreck? Well-documented bureaucratic turf wars between the People’s Bank of China (PBOC) and China Banking Regulatory Commission (CBRC) helped sow the seeds of some of China’s most pressing current economic problems—such as ballooning debt and use of shadow banking. Such infighting continues impeding the Chinese government’s response to the current market downdraft. Unlike other major central banks, the PBOC is not politically independent. Indeed, in a Chinese political system where “de facto federalism” is the default modus operandi, banking is one of the few areas where policy authority is far more centralized, in part a product of the pre-WTO reforms spearheaded by former Premier Zhu Rongji.

As such, the PBOC likely faces significant political pressure to continue pumping the stock market up, as this helps distract the populace from the fact that the market for residential real estate—the prior hot investment area—is flagging. For its part, the CBRC has likely been “captured” by the very banks it is supposed to regulate, further contributing to amplified systemic risk from shadow banking activities that are tougher to track and regulate than lending conducted through normal bank channels. Ultimately, conflicting bureaucratic priorities and infighting send contradictory messages to investors and likely fuel additional market instability.

This is part of a larger pattern in which China increasingly needs reforms that its political power structure appears ill-suited to implement effectively. China’s leadership has proved unwilling and unable to implement reforms sufficient to maintain current levels of economic growth amid gathering challenges. Markets were clearly over-optimistic about President Xi Jinping’s reform agenda: reforms have progressed more slowly, and less successfully, than expected. Xi and other Chinese leaders appear to know what economic reforms are needed, but how, when, and to what degree can they actually implementthem without assuming unacceptable political risks? This remains the problem, and it remains unanswered. Initial enthusiasm for new policy initiatives, for instance state-owned enterprise reform, faded fast with opposition from “red families” and other powerful vested interests.

Fundamental economic and social forces are amplifying Beijing’s struggle to regulate financial markets and implement economic reforms. Left unchecked, these internal and external challenges—including pollution, corruption, chronic diseases, water shortages, growing internal security spending, and an aging population—will feed off of one another and exact increasingly large costs. Projections by former World Bank Chief Economist and Senior Vice President Justin Yi Fu Lin in 2013 that “China can maintain an 8% annual GDP growth rate for many years to come” and that “annual growth potential should be… 8% for the 2008-2028 period” were never realistic.

Without dramatic—and potentially politically untenable policy shifts—these structural factors will continue to place the growth of China’s economy, and its overall “comprehensive national power,” on an S-curve-shaped slowdown trajectory. For all its policy navigation, efforts to guide national development, and claims of exceptionalism, China is not immune to larger patterns of economics and history. It will thus almost certainly experience an S-curve-shaped growth slowdown like so many previous great powers have suffered, and the one that so many observers believe the United States is undergoing today. In fact, China is encountering such headwinds at a relatively much earlier stage in its development than did the U.S. and other great powers. This is due in part to China’s late start in modernization, its dramatic internal disparities, and its draconian one child policy and other political dynamics.

None of this means that a Chinese “collapse” is inevitable. Indeed, the multi-trillion-dollar economy and the nation behind it retain significant strengths. Rather, it’s time to debunk the myth of PRC exceptionalism and achieve a “new normal” in China analysis. This should be sobering not just for China’s leaders—who surely know their nation’s specific weaknesses more than nearly anyone else—but for people around the world. China’s comprehensive global market-moving power has become immense and spans equity, debt, and hard asset markets with trillions of U.S. dollars in combined investor exposure.

The corollary of this power is that China’s ability to transmit risk into global markets has also become massive. Indeed, at present there are perhaps only three other individual countries to which global financial markets are so comprehensively exposed: the United States, Japan, and Germany. While specific decisions by Chinese political actors are almost impossible to predict from outside, we recommend that investors and policymakers focus on the structural factors we outline, as these provide the fundamental framework within which Chinese regulators will likely take their policy actions.

Stock Slump Casualty: The Myth of Chinese Exceptionalism - China Real Time Report - WSJ
 
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Stock Slump Casualty: The Myth of Chinese Exceptionalism

China’s dramatic stock market plunge and the resulting uncertainty as to how Beijing will try to manage the situation are calling China’s economic growth and political stability into question. This financial risk story could ultimately have much greater implications for the global economy than the Greek debt drama much of the world is currently fixated on. Yet it is also one of widespread myths and hubris.

As data points fly later today and over the course of the week, it’s important to consider the structural factors behind the current difficulties. The more one considers the larger picture, the less the latest developments should be surprising. The bottom line is that China is not as exceptional as its leaders claim, or as some Chinese and foreigners imagine. It is not immune to laws of economics, the business cycle, or the gradual slowing of national economic growth and power accretion that typically besets maturing societies. And Beijing has not created a superior hybrid state-market model that can miraculously reap the benefits of more market- and legally-oriented economies while avoiding their drawbacks. Instead, it has created a massive bureaucracy that is strong and concentrated in some respects, but weak and conflicted in others. Moving forward, in assessing China’s prospects, analysts need to take a hard look—in part by considering the issues outlined below.

The last few quarters should have sounded alarm bells for more investors as China’s stock market completely decoupled from the country’s weak underlying economic fundamentals. The market rose meteorically, traded on easily available funds and massive leverage, and eschewed fundamental analysis of China’s rapidly slowing real economy and largely tepid consumer economy. Real economy indicators suggested that China’s stock market rally was not underpinned by robust “bricks and mortar” activity.

One had only to consider the “Keqiang Index,” an aggregation of statistics concerning electricity consumption, rail cargo volume, and amount of loans disbursed. The resulting figure — reportedly advocated as a more accurate metric of real Chinese economic activity by Premier Li Keqiang himself — suggested substantially lower GDP growth than did official numbers. Even these official figures, which Premier Li reportedly denounced as “man-made,” had themselves been ebbing. Tellingly, before the downdraft began, the Shanghai Stock Exchange had risen approximately 150% in the past year, while electricity consumption had basically flat-lined for the past five months and counting.

So why wasn’t China’s vaunted bureaucracy able to head off this policy train wreck? Well-documented bureaucratic turf wars between the People’s Bank of China (PBOC) and China Banking Regulatory Commission (CBRC) helped sow the seeds of some of China’s most pressing current economic problems—such as ballooning debt and use of shadow banking. Such infighting continues impeding the Chinese government’s response to the current market downdraft. Unlike other major central banks, the PBOC is not politically independent. Indeed, in a Chinese political system where “de facto federalism” is the default modus operandi, banking is one of the few areas where policy authority is far more centralized, in part a product of the pre-WTO reforms spearheaded by former Premier Zhu Rongji.

As such, the PBOC likely faces significant political pressure to continue pumping the stock market up, as this helps distract the populace from the fact that the market for residential real estate—the prior hot investment area—is flagging. For its part, the CBRC has likely been “captured” by the very banks it is supposed to regulate, further contributing to amplified systemic risk from shadow banking activities that are tougher to track and regulate than lending conducted through normal bank channels. Ultimately, conflicting bureaucratic priorities and infighting send contradictory messages to investors and likely fuel additional market instability.

This is part of a larger pattern in which China increasingly needs reforms that its political power structure appears ill-suited to implement effectively. China’s leadership has proved unwilling and unable to implement reforms sufficient to maintain current levels of economic growth amid gathering challenges. Markets were clearly over-optimistic about President Xi Jinping’s reform agenda: reforms have progressed more slowly, and less successfully, than expected. Xi and other Chinese leaders appear to know what economic reforms are needed, but how, when, and to what degree can they actually implementthem without assuming unacceptable political risks? This remains the problem, and it remains unanswered. Initial enthusiasm for new policy initiatives, for instance state-owned enterprise reform, faded fast with opposition from “red families” and other powerful vested interests.

Fundamental economic and social forces are amplifying Beijing’s struggle to regulate financial markets and implement economic reforms. Left unchecked, these internal and external challenges—including pollution, corruption, chronic diseases, water shortages, growing internal security spending, and an aging population—will feed off of one another and exact increasingly large costs. Projections by former World Bank Chief Economist and Senior Vice President Justin Yi Fu Lin in 2013 that “China can maintain an 8% annual GDP growth rate for many years to come” and that “annual growth potential should be… 8% for the 2008-2028 period” were never realistic.

Without dramatic—and potentially politically untenable policy shifts—these structural factors will continue to place the growth of China’s economy, and its overall “comprehensive national power,” on an S-curve-shaped slowdown trajectory. For all its policy navigation, efforts to guide national development, and claims of exceptionalism, China is not immune to larger patterns of economics and history. It will thus almost certainly experience an S-curve-shaped growth slowdown like so many previous great powers have suffered, and the one that so many observers believe the United States is undergoing today. In fact, China is encountering such headwinds at a relatively much earlier stage in its development than did the U.S. and other great powers. This is due in part to China’s late start in modernization, its dramatic internal disparities, and its draconian one child policy and other political dynamics.

None of this means that a Chinese “collapse” is inevitable. Indeed, the multi-trillion-dollar economy and the nation behind it retain significant strengths. Rather, it’s time to debunk the myth of PRC exceptionalism and achieve a “new normal” in China analysis. This should be sobering not just for China’s leaders—who surely know their nation’s specific weaknesses more than nearly anyone else—but for people around the world. China’s comprehensive global market-moving power has become immense and spans equity, debt, and hard asset markets with trillions of U.S. dollars in combined investor exposure.

The corollary of this power is that China’s ability to transmit risk into global markets has also become massive. Indeed, at present there are perhaps only three other individual countries to which global financial markets are so comprehensively exposed: the United States, Japan, and Germany. While specific decisions by Chinese political actors are almost impossible to predict from outside, we recommend that investors and policymakers focus on the structural factors we outline, as these provide the fundamental framework within which Chinese regulators will likely take their policy actions.

Stock Slump Casualty: The Myth of Chinese Exceptionalism - China Real Time Report - WSJ
Simply speaking, China collapse again. :cheers:
 
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Simply speaking, China collapse again. :cheers:

Our friend Gordon must've sent his regards :lol:

Btw:


Chinese stock market likely to bottom out: experts

English.news.cn 2015-07-05 17:11:24
fanxiang13.gif
fanxiang12.gif
bigphoto_tit6_b.gif

BEIJING, July 5 (Xinhua) -- After three weeks of plunge, the stock market is likely to stabilize with the help of a string of supportive measures, several analyst have said.


Following weeks of decline, investors' willingness to further sell has declined and the benchmark Shanghai Composite Index is expected to bottom out gradually, Xinhua-run China Securities Journal quoted Chen Jianhua, an analyst with Yintai Securities, as saying.

The Chinese stock market was among the world's best performers earlier this year, with the key Shanghai Composite Index surging more than 150 percent in 12 months, partly fueled by margin trading. The index dived 5.77 percent to finish at 3,686.92 points on Friday, due to margin traders unwinding their positions and collecting profits.

The index is near the bull or bear market threshold, and it would likely stabilize next week after the recent raft of supportive measures, echoed Fu Ziheng, a senior analyst with Wanlian Securities.

"But whether the index can register a strong rebound next week is up to the balance of the strength between buyers and sellers," Fu told the newspaper.


Twenty-eight Chinese companies having obtained permission from the securities watchdog for initial public offerings (IPOs) announced Saturday evening they would postpone follow-up issue of shares.

Separately on Saturday, China's 21 major securities brokers announced they would spend no less than 120 billion yuan (19.62 billion U.S. dollars), or 15 percent of their total net assets, on exchange traded funds (ETF) that track the performance of blue chip stocks, to arrest the market slump.

"After the market correction, shares with solid growth potential and strong profitability enjoy sunny prospects," said Chen.


@TaiShang @AndrewJin get your money ready in the next few weeks or so to buy low and sell high :)

Calm down lads, no need to jump to conclusions, let's have some tea and see how it develops. It will get better anytime soon. I was quite relaxed while I learned of the news.
 
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There will be a huge repercussion in SG. :(



He is my boss because he's smart.

He's planning to move all his money for now, I have no idea where he's going to put it.

Yes, your boss should take his losses and move his money to a European savings account.
 
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