Chinese professors among 6 charged with economic espionage

[MastanKhan]

That's not what I am refuting. I said if those companies are Federal contractors vast majority of the time they can only hire US citizens, and that comes from an Executive Order and is a Federal statue. There are some exceptions for certain job positions that say you can be a legal resident and be eligible for the job, but many Federal contractor jobs are for US citizens only. What I am saying is if they hired these Chinese citizens in jobs that were designated for US citizens only, then the two companies (Avago Technologies and Skywork Solutions) will be in big trouble. If these were just private companies developing their own technology with their own funds then they can probably get away with hiring just legal residents with valid work permits.



Universities do not issue work permits. If you are a legal non-citizen resident of US seeking to work you must have an approved and active EAD form which provides you a work permit.

Hi,

In my time while at the college---I just sent my college admission card what was it--I-84 to the immigration to authorize for work---that is what I meant----no nit picking if you understand the concept---hehn.

Current hiring maybe different than that of 30 years ago.

 

[JSCh]

US do not do economic espionage? I wonder why NSA target Chinese university.
http://thediplomat.com/2013/06/snowden-us-spies-on-chinas-universities-and-mobile-firms/

The accused studied in US university. Doing research. They also worked in US companies.

They contact Chinese university for financial support for further research. They found a private company in China that made product for both civilian and military market.

These are normal thing that a researcher would do. Just because they did it in China (they are Chinese citizen after all), then automatically it is Chinese government organized?

So if a US student doing research in China, contact a state university in US to fund research and start a private company in US. Then it is US government doing economic espionage?

The professors, who attended the University of Southern California, allegedly obtained the trade secret information — designed in part to limit interference in mobile phone reception and other devices — as part of a "long-running effort'' to benefit universities and companies controlled by the Chinese government.

So it is not technology, but "trade secret information".

What exactly is "trade secret information"?????

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Yout guys have to google translate the comments from Germany's biggest IT commuinty and have a good laugh. Well, laughting at the US. It's pure schadenfreude.

Verdacht auf Industriespionage: Sechs Chines… | Forum - heise online

 

[Hyperion]

Are you kidding us? Do you think DARPA cares about IP laws?

but they don't steal their ideas and pass it off as their own.

Forget landing a person on the moon - remove German genealogy from their 'high tech sector', and you'll get a longbow.

Bunch of hypocrites, that's what the Yanks are!

Sounds like US after WWII and German technology.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

US do not do economic espionage? I wonder why NSA target Chinese university.
Snowden: US Spies On China’s Universities and Mobile Firms | The Diplomat

The accused studied in US university. Doing research. They also worked in US companies.

They contact Chinese university for financial support for further research. They found a private company in China that made product for both civilian and military market.

These are normal thing that a researcher would do. Just because they did it in China (they are Chinese citizen after all), then automatically it is Chinese government organized?

So if a US student doing research in China, contact a state university in US to fund research and start a private company in US. Then it is US government doing economic espionage?


So it is not technology, but "trade secret information".

What exactly is "trade secret information"?????

I will take it that you are either through ignorance, or intentionally trying to:

1. Gives us Snowden claims as proof. Even so not understanding the difference between state sponsored spying, and state sponsored economic espionage/ stealing for the purposes of copying for private industries benefit. U.S if true per Snowden,was still not stealing mobile companies technology/ trade secrets, and handing it off to local companies to duplicate. They were listening into conversations, gathering data.

2. You actually think that these guys are supported by the CCP. A govt which is infamous for protecting scammers and IP thefts in their judicial courts

3. Don't comprehend that stealing technology is also a trade secret,as evident from the article

Chinese banks a haven for Web counterfeits - LA Times

Are you kidding us? Do you think DARPA cares about IP laws?

Another TTA without a basic understanding of the differences between economic espionage, and military espionage. But then also accusing DARPA of stealing IP from business and handing it over to U.S companies. Amazing how far you guys will bend over to cover for the chinese.

 

[Echo_419]

Setting aside the fact that economic espionage is stealing from institutions that have worked hard to develop new technologies, and invested billions in R&D in some cases. These actions make it to where honest chinese americans suffer.

I once cheekily asked "so hypothetically what can we grab from them?" The answer was " copies to designs we already had that they stole, there is not much innovation going on in China ".

All of this state sanctioned, approved, and funded by Chinese government.

Don't think for a moment it does not matter because you think they are only stealing from the U.S. Oh no, they will steal from every country, every business, every company regardless of location. If a new design or technology is developed by someone in your country- they will steal it, copy it, and their government will have their courts protect the theft.

This does damages China's international reputation

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

This does damages China's international reputation

China reputation is already damaged , this only furthers it. In about a decade or within 15 years, you will see the effects of it in the form of sanctions.

 

[OrionHunter]

Again, how exactly are bringing Diego Garcia and Guantanamo Bay, relevant to the topic at hand?

Unless your intention is to turn this thread into a troll fest and then get it closed down before any meaningful discussion can take place!

You're lucky these fellows didn't bring up the Moon and Mars which they'll soon lay claim on as they'll insist that they were part of the Qing Dynasty as shown in ancient maps!!

 

[Providence]

Sounds like US after WWII and German technology.

Umm .... they came to us of their own volition ! We aren't thieves !

 

[Styx]

everyone does it, according to Ashton Carter, one of the justifications for having their vast NSA snooping program is to "stop industrial espionage"

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

everyone does it, according to Ashton Carter, one of the justifications for having their vast NSA snooping program is to "stop industrial espionage"

Yes, there are criminals everywhere. BUT very different when it is government sanctioned, and approved, as in the case with China.


Chinese banks a haven for Web counterfeits - LA Times

 

[Styx]

Yes, there are criminals everywhere. BUT very different when it is government sanctioned, and approved, as in the case with China.

and what is your huge NSA snoop grid if not government sanctioned ?

agree about the Chinese though, they even stole sensitive info about the F-35.. some of the design characteristics on their 5th gens are quite blatantly ripped straight off of the lightning.

having said that, global corporate/government espionage is quite par for the course in today's world.

 

[JSCh]

I will take it that you are either through ignorance, or intentionally trying to:

1. Gives us Snowden claims as proof. Even so not understanding the difference between state sponsored spying, and state sponsored economic espionage/ stealing for the purposes of copying for private industries benefit. U.S if true per Snowden,was still not stealing mobile companies technology/ trade secrets, and handing it off to local companies to duplicate. They were listening into conversations, gathering data.

2. You actually think that these guys are supported by the CCP. A govt which is infamous for protecting scammers and IP thefts in their judicial courts

3. Don't comprehend that stealing technology is also a trade secret,as evident from the article

Chinese banks a haven for Web counterfeits - LA Times



Another TTA without a basic understanding of the differences between economic espionage, and military espionage. But then also accusing DARPA of stealing IP from business and handing it over to U.S companies. Amazing how far you guys will bend over to cover for the chinese.

Ya, US do not do economic espionage.

Sure, like we should believe the director under testimony in Congress said that NSA do not wittingly "collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans".
National Intelligence Director Clapper Apologizes For 'Clearly Erroneous' Congressional Testimony On NSA Surveillance - Forbes

Whistleblower Edward Snowden isn’t the only one looking for a safe haven since he began leaking a series of top secret documents on the National Security Agency’s surveillance practices. So has Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, whose statements to Congress earlier this year on NSA methods were exposed by Snowden’s leaks as being highly misleading. And as many call for Clapper’s resignation, he’s finally issued a public apology.​

The NSA specifically target Chinese university. The natural question would be why Chinese university?

For the case in question. The defendant are the researcher themselves. They setup a private company to manufacture their research result into products. They believe they own their research result and want to profit from it.

What is that got to do with the Chinese government? Just because Chinese university is involved, does not necessary mean that Chinese government is behind it.

 

[JSCh]

A blog article from a Chinese American.

*****
http://blog.hiddenharmonies.org/2015/05/22/又一华裔教授在美被捕-曾任长江学者-on-the-arrest-of-another-chinese-am/
May 22nd, 2015 N.M.Cheung

Recently there were a bunch of announced arrests of Chinese American scientists and the indictments of Chinese nationals for spying or/and economic espionage. For Chinese who are naïve about American laws who aspire to be Americans this is a sobering warning that should be taken seriously. As Snowden revealed NSA spies on everyone, but especially foreign national that considers as enemy. Any innocent meetings with former colleagues and mentors and exchange of scientific ideas may be construed as spying or economic espionage. As China develops her own science and technology while U.S. lacks resources due to financial difficulty, many sees more opportunity in joining or starting their own company in China. They are somewhat naïve in believing the freedom of expression and exchange, but U.S. is very strict in interpreting the laws and embargo cutting edge science and technology to China. If you worked for U.S. government or any companies with contracts with government or even performed research resulting in patents that belonging to the company, then you may be in violation of obscure laws if you try to strike out on your own. Downloading files to your own computer as Wen Ho Lee discovered can result in spy charge. Recent case of Goldman Sack against Sergei Aleynikov, even if the 97 months jail term were reversed can be debilitating.
I was naïve also after 1979, when U.S. and China established normal relations. I was working in Alaska in a Dew Line communication site which was frontline against possible Russian nuclear attack. I wrote a letter to the new Chinese Embassy in Chinese expressing my pleasure on the new relation, and inquire about visa procedures to visit China. After about a month of no response I was surprised to learn from my boss in Anchorage, that an FBI agent will be chartering a plane to interview me. The agent spend a couple of hours asking my background and nothing affecting my secret clearance came to pass, but it was an unnerving experience, and I never did hear back from the Chinese Embassy.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

Ya, US do not do economic espionage.

Sure, like we should believe the director under testimony in Congress said that NSA do not wittingly "collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans".
National Intelligence Director Clapper Apologizes For 'Clearly Erroneous' Congressional Testimony On NSA Surveillance - Forbes

Whistleblower Edward Snowden isn’t the only one looking for a safe haven since he began leaking a series of top secret documents on the National Security Agency’s surveillance practices. So has Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, whose statements to Congress earlier this year on NSA methods were exposed by Snowden’s leaks as being highly misleading. And as many call for Clapper’s resignation, he’s finally issued a public apology.​

The NSA specifically target Chinese university. The natural question would be why Chinese university?

For the case in question. The defendant are the researcher themselves. They setup a private company to manufacture their research result into products. They believe they own their research result and want to profit from it.

What is that got to do with the Chinese government? Just because Chinese university is involved, does not necessary mean that Chinese government is behind it.

JSCH, Once gain- it is obvious that you have either been brainwashed by the CCP to such an extent that you are robotic in Chinese talking points , OR you are just plain incapable of having an average level of comprehension.

I'm going to make this my last time I try to reach any part of your noggin.

Your examples of Snowden and American snooping are NOT examples of " Economic" espionage. Read this sentence again, and try to comprehend it JSCH

Your examples are of military espionage. Read this sentence again, and try to comprehend it JSCH

Economic espionage is when you steal economic engines like technology, trade secrets, formulas, patents etc from business to copy, steal or sell to others. Chinese government protects those who do it, and supports others to do it and encourages their state agencies to do it. The U.S Government does not ever steal any trade secrets, intellectual property, patents to pass on to its private industries.

Chinese govt steals military designs and secrets- which is what spy agencies do, and is kinda of expected, vs. economic espionage